Doe failed - wrong chassis no?

123donalo

Doe Failed - wrong Chassis no?
If this is in wrong form please redirect me. I need some help please. I had a van in for Doe today and it was discovered that vin/chassis no id marks on window and log book matched fine to reg of van, However no under wheel arch had a plate fitted with the no, on it when removed revealed a different chassis no.The plate fitted had larger digits stamped which grabbed doe guys attention. However van has been tested previously and passed in another test centre.I cant find ant record of the original vin on irish records unless its english originally. I have asked a Garda friend and he says he'll look into it for me.I have been in touch with lad I bought it from whos chasing up garage at present that he bought from.Why would this be? and what can I do about it?

mullingar

If its proven to belong to someone else based on the hidden VIN, you *may* lose the van as it might be recorded stolen.

You need legal advise.

Mar4ix

could be ringed van. If you unlucky, Garda will track down owners, youll loose your van, if you lucky, .... well ish .. van been crashed, and panel with vin number welded in to it, and numbers adjusted to original, assume will be a bit of hassle with paperwork.

Good luck.

123donalo

mullingar wrote: »

If its proven to belong to someone else based on the hidden VIN, you *may* lose the van as it might be recorded stolen.

You need legal advise.

Vin is not showing up on irish system at all so going to check dvla in morning. That fear of it been stolen has hit me alright

123donalo

Mar4ix wrote: »

could be ringed van. If you unlucky, Garda will track down owners, youll loose your van, if you lucky, .... well ish .. van been crashed, and panel with vin number welded in to it, and numbers adjusted to original, assume will be a bit of hassle with paperwork.

Good luck.

I'm thinking you could be right but where do I go from here? No sign of it been welded though so dont know the story. How will I get around paperwork if it wasnt done already especially when its obviously a cover up

Mar4ix

as mullingar advised, seek legal advise.

welding could be way away from numbers, and maybe somebody did it properly, and got painted properly also. never know.

Bigus

Get a look at a similar van to compare before you incur legal costs.

mickdw

You would normally think that the identity was messed with for 2 possible reasons - stolen or secondly vrt fraud where someone would acquire a uk car and then give it the identity of an damaged Irish one.
Given that vrt is not really an issue on vans, I would have to assume that your van is stolen out of uk and given an irish identity from a van that was beyond repair.
Might also be an idea to do a history check on your own van reg. You might find records of a write off for the original van.
Also, have you checked the engine number to see what it matches up to?
As said by others, there could be a genuine reason but i would be assuming the worst and doing plenty digging

123donalo

mickdw wrote: »

You would normally think that the identity was messed with for 2 possible reasons - stolen or secondly vrt fraud where someone would acquire a uk car and then give it the identity of an damaged Irish one.
Given that vrt is not really an issue on vans, I would have to assume that your van is stolen out of uk and given an irish identity from a van that was beyond repair.
Might also be an idea to do a history check on your own van reg. You might find records of a write off for the original van.
Also, have you checked the engine number to see what it matches up to?

I have already checked history of reg and it sounds as if it fits this van. will explain in pm to you later. where is engine no? T260 transit. saw numbers on belt/chain cover on lhs only.

123donalo

Bigus wrote: »

Get a look at a similar van to compare before you incur legal costs.

What's that going to tell me

mickdw

123donalo wrote: »

I have already checked history of reg and it sounds as if it fits this van. will explain in pm to you later. where is engine no? T260 transit. saw numbers on belt/chain cover on lhs only.

There would be a number stamped into the block but I dont know where on the transit.

stacexD

Assuming it's not stolen and just had a replacement part with another chasis number on it you should be able to get a form from the doe place to bring to the gardai confirming the chassis number. (I had to do this for my nct last week and the garda just checked the cars history and checked the number on the windscreen) You can get the right chassis number stamped in after that or keep the form for furure does.
Good luck anyways..

Kenny Logins

You need legal advice. Advice with a 'c'.

123donalo

stacexD wrote: »

Assuming it's not stolen and just had a replacement part with another chasis number on it you should be able to get a form from the doe place to bring to the gardai confirming the chassis number. (I had to do this for my nct last week and the garda just checked the cars history and checked the number on the windscreen) You can get the right chassis number stamped in after that or keep the form for furure does.
Good luck anyways..

apparently to do this you need a crash investigators report to say that the chassis has been changed at this area of van and surely this can't be legal. his services will cost a few quid id say.

corktina

almost certainly a ringer...sorry...you do need to speak to a Solicitor but I fear any way the outcome wont be great

123donalo

corktina wrote: »

almost certainly a ringer...sorry...you do need to speak to a Solicitor but I fear any way the outcome wont be great

Not looking good is it?

stacexD

123donalo wrote: »

apparently to do this you need a crash investigators report to say that the chassis has been changed at this area of van and surely this can't be legal. his services will cost a few quid id say.

To do which? If the you can get the form signed it should do you for any future tests even without having the number stamped on

Bigus

123donalo wrote: »

What's that going to tell me

It'll tell you if the number uncovered is something o,ther than a chassis number which it could well be.

On another posters point I know that it is possible that the real number might well need to be re-stamped on the chassis for clarification, as was done by a mechanic friend to clarify maters for an overly enthusastic tester on a 18 year old discovery.