Vegans are going to destroy the world

MrCreosote

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/16/vegans-stomach-unpalatable-truth-quinoa?INTCMP=SRCH

Instead of accepting their evolutionary heritage as omnivores, and eating healthy home-reared grass-fed beef or lamb, they inflict their barely compatible with life diet on poor third world countries with predictable results.

Soaring food prices. Starvation of the poor. Massive food miles and carbon footprint because of flying the grain to Europe and North America. Endless debates about the correct pronounciation.

'Tis a disgrace I tell you!

Make tomorrow the day you tell your vegan friends to get some meat in them! They'll thank you for it when their health and vitality returns!

syklops

MrCreosote wrote: »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/16/vegans-stomach-unpalatable-truth-quinoa?INTCMP=SRCH

Instead of accepting their evolutionary heritage as omnivores, and eating healthy home-reared grass-fed beef or lamb, they inflict their barely compatible with life diet on poor third world countries with predictable results.

Soaring food prices. Starvation of the poor. Massive food miles and carbon footprint because of flying the grain to Europe and North America. Endless debates about the correct pronounciation.

'Tis a disgrace I tell you!

Make tomorrow the day you tell your vegan friends to get some meat in them! They'll thank you for it when their health and vitality returns!

If you're going to open threads, can you not learn how to quote articles?

MrCreosote

syklops wrote: »

If you're going to open threads, can you not learn how to quote articles?

If you're going to read threads, can you not learn to click on the link?

Sauve

syklops wrote: »

If you're going to open threads, can you not learn how to quote articles?

Who's a disgruntled vegan then?

mud

I'm a quinoa eating omnomnomnivore. Phew! I read that article the other day, great to know the crisis has absolutely nothing to do with me and it's all the vegans' fault. Hooray!

dodderangler

I hate them t be honest
Humans are animals and have a role to play on being top predator so why be a top predator and choose to eat veg
Don't make sense
Maybe vegans should be Seperated and put in a field to graze
They wouldn't last long trust me

syklops

MrCreosote wrote: »

If you're going to read threads, can you not learn to click on the link?

I know how to click on a link. I also know what can be hiding at the other end of a link. Ergo, If someone wants to start a discussion they should post the text, not post a link.

Who's a disgruntled vegan then?

I am an omnivore, some of my best friends are vegan. What is your point?

stmol32

All them Vegans coming over her taking the jobs Joe... they should send them back to Las Vegas Joe amirite.

DEFTLEFTHAND

It seems to be a bit of a trend or fad at the moment to be a vegan. There's a few Z list gobsheens who proclaim to be so. :rolleyes:

Irish Guitarist

Why people care what other people eat is beyond me.

MrCreosote

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

Why people care what other people eat is beyond me.

Maybe because what they eat is politically destabilising an entire continent.

Irish Guitarist

MrCreosote wrote: »

Maybe because what they eat is politically destabilising an entire continent.

Yes, because all vegans eat all day is quinoa. If only more people had more ethics and ate McDonalds all the time the world would be a better place.

MadsL

Pesky Vogons with their plan to demolish the earth to make way for a hyperspace bypass. Their poetry is bloody awful too.

A Primal Nut

syklops wrote: »

If you're going to open threads, can you not learn how to quote articles?

Minister Sherlock put a stop to that.

MadsL

A Primal Nut wrote: »

Minister Sherlock put a stop to that.

Thought it was the damn newspapers themselves..

Rasheed

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

Why people care what other people eat is beyond me.

Well I couldn't give a continental what people eat.
But when people get sanctimonious about my diet, and it's healthy dose of meat, then I have a problem. So I'll inform them of this article next time!

Ficheall

syklops wrote: »

I know how to click on a link. I also know what can be hiding at the other end of a link.

But it's from the Guardian website - fairly "reputable", one would think, no?

Valentina

Vegans! I knew it was them! Even when it was the bears I was knew it was them.

Conmaicne Mara

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmK0bZl4ILM

Zen65

MadsL wrote: »

Pesky Vogons with their plan to demolish the earth to make way for a hyperspace bypass. Their poetry is bloody awful too.

It's never off-topic to quote the Hitch-hiker's guide!



Z

imitation

I'm not going to read the article and instead assume it says the growing number of vegan killer farts will soon poison the earths population.

kraggy

MrCreosote wrote: »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/16/vegans-stomach-unpalatable-truth-quinoa?INTCMP=SRCH

Instead of accepting their evolutionary heritage as omnivores, and eating healthy home-reared grass-fed beef or lamb, they inflict their barely compatible with life diet on poor third world countries with predictable results.

Soaring food prices. Starvation of the poor. Massive food miles and carbon footprint because of flying the grain to Europe and North America. Endless debates about the correct pronounciation.

'Tis a disgrace I tell you!

Make tomorrow the day you tell your vegan friends to get some meat in them! They'll thank you for it when their health and vitality returns!

Yawn..

1. Meat-eaters eat quinoa too.
2. Is EVERYTHING you eat grown/reared/manufactured in Ireland? No it isn't.
3. Next time you eat a Yorkie, drink a coffee or wear a pair of Nikes, remember that you too are contributing to companies responsible for the deaths of thousands and exploitation of millions.

Pumpkinseeds

Err right, so all of us vegetarians are destroying the world by not eating meat? So we'll just skip over the fact that all the methane from the over farming of cattle raised for human consumption is being blamed, in part, for global warming.

I've never even tried Quinoa, also broadly speaking, hasn't the production of a certain 'white powder' been a major contributor to the Bolivian ecomomy? There's been a major crack down on drugs in Bolivia, perhaps thats been affecting peoples ability to pay for food.

But hey lets not let reality spoil a good story from the rag that is the Guardian:D

swimming in a sea

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

But hey lets not let reality spoil a good story from the rag that is the Guardian:D

I thought all you hippie types loved the Guardian or are you some kind of
Far-right capitalist type veggie?

galwayrush

Vegan farts...shudders

Pumpkinseeds

swimming in a sea wrote: »

I thought all you hippie types loved the Guardian or are you some kind of
Far-right capitalist type veggie?

Nobody who knows me would ever describe me as a hippy;). I'm probably more of an evil, right wing capitalist tbh, at least according to Mr Pumpinseeds and I don't care what other people eat:)

Gummy Panda

I hate this guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD5_-HJXwpc

Benny_Cake

Don't want to get in the way of a good anti-vegan rant, but:

- You aren't required to eat quinoa if you're vegan. I'm vegetarian and I've never tasted it. Equally, as has been noted, omnivores can also eat the stuff.

- I love the Guardian but they do have some awful rubbish in the Comment is Free section sometimes. In this case, the writer talks about the impact of soya production "beloved of the vegan lobby", but leaves it until a footnote to mention that 97% of soya production goes into animals feed.

Grayson

here's a few things.

1) Rearing animals for meat is far more resource intensive. The planet actually can't support it much longer.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/06/business/worldbusiness/06iht-greencol07.4.6029437.html?_r=0
Vegans may save the planet.


2) Nearly everything is imported. If you don't like buying/using stuff made in a country where locals cannot afford it, walk away from your computer/ipad/phone right now.

3) This didn't say locals were starving. This said that the local quinoa wasn't available because we were paying too much for it. That's brillant. The poor local farmers are getting MORE money for it by ripping us off. I don't know if you've ever seen bolivia, but it's a really poor place. I'm all for ripping us off for a couple of quid for a luxury item (well, luxury here). If you want to, eat fairtrade and be 100% certain you're not screwing over anyone.

Grayson

And for what it matters, the guy mentions that Soya is a major reason for deforestation. That's because in the US, farmers are growing corn, to feed cattle, rather than actual grain food for humans. To make up this slack, soya is being grown in Brazil.
It's also used as a biofuel. this is despite it being tremendously inefficent. But (as many know thanks to the west wing episode) the reason it's used is because US farmers get subsidies for it. And they're a very important voting demographic.
http://worldinfo.org/2012/01/food-for-thought-soybean-endangers-brazil-amazon-rainforest/

The original blame lies with carnivores and motorists (mainly americans). Not vegans.

Bad Santa

syklops wrote: »

If you're going to open threads, can you not learn how to quote articles?

If you are going to suggest someone do something that they haven't, can you refrain from telling them not to do that very thing in the same sentence.

Jacob T

Nothing like a well-thought out, balanced, informative article from The Guardian to start the day!

Jacob T

dodderangler wrote: »

I hate them t be honest
Humans are animals and have a role to play on being top predator so why be a top predator and choose to eat veg
Don't make sense
Maybe vegans should be Seperated and put in a field to graze
They wouldn't last long trust me

I'd say you got all the A's in school

Bad Santa

Meat eaters eat tons of grain and the animals are fed grain to make 'em fatter, unless they are grass fed but that's unfortunately not the norm.
Also, not all vegans eat grains as many vegans eat a raw food diet. Article, schmarticle.

Irish Guitarist

Rasheed wrote: »

Well I couldn't give a continental what people eat.
But when people get sanctimonious about my diet, and it's healthy dose of meat, then I have a problem. So I'll inform them of this article next time!

I keep seeing comments about how vegans and vegetarians are sanctimonious yet I've never seen a vegan or vegetarian start a thread telling people to change their diet.

Gauss

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

Why people care what other people eat is beyond me.

Some people have interests which they like to discuss, just because a subject is discussed doesn't mean they "care" about what other people eat.

fasttalkerchat

They'll grow out of it.


Puts down my quinoa and lifts the popcorn.

Rasheed

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

I keep seeing comments about how vegans and vegetarians are sanctimonious yet I've never seen a vegan or vegetarian start a thread telling people to change their diet.

I'm talking about people I'd be dining out with.

El_Dangeroso

What a dumb article.

This isn't about what vegans eat, it's about the faddy whims of the latest superfood, no doubt touted by the guardian food section a couple years ago.

It's also about industrial agriculture, which seems to destroy eco-systems and health, whether the food is meat, grains or vegetables.

The vegan vs. omnivore thing is just a side show to distract you from the fact that if your eating industrially produced food (and most of us are -veggie or not), then you're harming the environment.

Owen_S

I'd be more pissed off with vegetarians, the agnostics of the eating world.

Cork24

I do wonder what a vegan would do if they were stuck somewhere with nothing but only meat..

StormWarrior

I'm vegan and I don't eat any imported food. I live in Britain and purposely only buy British-grown food. It's very easy to do. Obviously fruit is pretty much limited to apples in winter, but there are always plenty of British grown vegetables, potatoes and grains. I never eat quinoa.

StormWarrior

MrCreosote wrote: »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/16/vegans-stomach-unpalatable-truth-quinoa?INTCMP=SRCH

Instead of accepting their evolutionary heritage as omnivores, and eating healthy home-reared grass-fed beef or lamb

Many people can't afford grass-fed meat. And if everyone ate that way there wouldn't be enough to go round.

Da Shins Kelly

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

I keep seeing comments about how vegans and vegetarians are sanctimonious yet I've never seen a vegan or vegetarian start a thread telling people to change their diet.

I always hear people going on about "judgmental" vegetarians and vegans are, yet I've actually found that there is no other aspect of my lifestyle I've had to defend more than my decision to be a vegetarian. The amount of times I've had to explain my position to the 'b-b-but, WHY?' question is ridiculous. To be honest, I've found meat-eaters far more judgmental than any vegetarian I know.

Just Like Heaven

It'll be class when the vegans give in and actually start eating meat/animal products and then there isn't enough left and everybody starts blaming the vegans for eating their food.

El_Dangeroso

StormWarrior wrote: »

I'm vegan and I don't eat any imported food. I live in Britain and purposely only buy British-grown food. It's very easy to do. Obviously fruit is pretty much limited to apples in winter, but there are always plenty of British grown vegetables, potatoes and grains. I never eat quinoa.

Really? Can you give me an example of your daily diet? I attempted this as an omnivore and it totally fell apart in winter. I needed something besides root veg/green leafy veg/rubarb over and over and over..found myself dreaming of avocados and peppers..:)

quickbeam

Cork24 wrote: »

I do wonder what a vegan would do if they were stuck somewhere with nothing but only meat..

I'm not vegan, but I am vegetarian. But, if I was stuck for food in a desert island situation, then too right I'd start eating meat and I'd be surprised if most vegetarians or vegans didn't say the same. It's about survival. Luckily in this first world country that I live in I don't have to make that decision.

If the situation was reversed, a typical meat-eater would also live on a vegetarian diet if that was all that was available to them too.

ElvisChrist6

dodderangler wrote: »

I hate them t be honest
Humans are animals and have a role to play on being top predator so why be a top predator and choose to eat veg
Don't make sense
Maybe vegans should be Seperated and put in a field to graze
They wouldn't last long trust me

Industrial farming is not predatory, and it's nothing to do with the food chain. I don't give a **** what you eat, but you're the kind of person who makes a big deal about food by the looks of it. Moreso than any vegan I've met.

MrCreosote wrote: »

Maybe because what they eat is politically destabilising an entire continent.

Yup, you're right, Paul McCartney gathered all the quinoa together and will only give it to vegans; he sits on a throne of it, guarding so no omnivores get hold of it.

This has nothing to do with any one persons veganism.

galwayrush wrote: »

Vegan farts...shudders

My farts are delicious, I'll have you know! :P

ElvisChrist6

Cork24 wrote: »

I do wonder what a vegan would do if they were stuck somewhere with nothing but only meat..

Eat the meat - we're vegans, not idiots!

In my case, my choice was made on lack of necessity. I don't wish to end something else's life unless it's necessary for survival. That's why I don't mind lions eating antelopes or whatever. I don't care what other people eat, this is just my opinion.