anyone go to the positive farmers conference

whelan1

? spoke with a guy last night who went on wednesday , he said the main this he learnt was you need a cash flow budget, anyonew else go

bob charles

whelan1 wrote: »

? spoke with a guy last night who went on wednesday , he said the main this he learnt was you need a cash flow budget, anyonew else go

did he go a few years ago when the main message was to invest as much as you can off farm. that was a super idea. Never been myself as im of the negative type and dont believe in bullsh*te and fancy presentations done by ineffect salesmen and women. Conflicts of interest come to mind regarding such events. How much was it to attend by the way

blue5000

Didn't even know it was on. I'm feeling v negative at the moment.

What is the point in jumping through all the hoops backwards with traceability, paperwork, nitrates directives, registering calves within 21 days etc.etc. only to have a beef processor mix in 29% horsemeat with beef because they can no longer afford to buy my beef at 4.00 approx euro per kg? Rant over. Positive my ar5e.

mf240

Isnt bertie ahern travelling the world attending conferences and giving speeches about how to grow an economy.

Those who can do those who cant teach.

reilig

blue5000 wrote: »

Didn't even know it was on. I'm feeling v negative at the moment.

What is the point in jumping through all the hoops backwards with traceability, paperwork, nitrates directives, registering calves within 21 days etc.etc. only to have a beef processor mix in 29% horsemeat with beef because they can no longer afford to buy my beef at 4.00 approx euro per kg? Rant over. Positive my ar5e.

Aside from the horsemeat thread which seems to have been overrun by posters who don't regularly contribute to this forum, does anyone think that the stories being pedaled by the minister and these meat companies is just pure bull****? They're saying this morning that they have it nailed down to a traceability issue with ingredients being brought from another country. The fact of the matter still remains that one of the burgers tested contained 29% of actual horse meat. You don't have to think about it too deeply torealise that this means that almost 1/3 of the burger which was advertised or promoted as being 100% beef was actually substituted with a cheaper product which looks and tastes teh same, but is up to 40% cheaper in some instances in order to mass supply a cheap product.

If you or I were selling meat at a market stall and did this, we'd get jail. I'd be 100% sure that this is a cheap scam to produce cheap burgers and increase profit and the only reason that the producer is sorry is because they got caught. It has been turned around in such away now that there are murmerings of a compensation scheme being saught (note: I'm not saying it is is being proposed) by the producer to cover losses from having to destroy millions of burgers. The producer also wins in another way by having big export markets for prime beef products and being able to justify paying lower prices to farmers in order to fill these prime beef markets which won't be affected by the burger scare at all - in fact all speculation suggests that shoppers will now turn to whole meat instead of minced meat for to meet their needs.

IMO He should be getting jail. Instead they're almost making a hero out of this producer for his con artistry.

I don't take a lot of positives from this week. Disease like BSE and Foot and Mouth is something that we have litle control over. Greed caused this!

Manoffeeling

whelan1 wrote: »

? spoke with a guy last night who went on wednesday , he said the main this he learnt was you need a cash flow budget, anyonew else go

The end is nigh

delaval

bob charles wrote: »

did he go a few years ago when the main message was to invest as much as you can off farm. that was a super idea. Never been myself as im of the negative type and dont believe in bullsh*te and fancy presentations done by ineffect salesmen and women. Conflicts of interest come to mind regarding such events. How much was it to attend by the way

Good man Bob.
I was a regular attender for first few years really got a lot of good technical info.Then they started pulling the same rabbit out of a different hat.The final straw was a guest speaker (a prominant farmer) spending an hour persuading us to invest in property,not too bad but he has not been invited to tell us how the investments performed.I will not attend now on a point of principal

I always attend the Grassland events more laid back, cheaper and social!!!!!

bob charles

If I organised a negative farmers conference we wouldn't get a place big enough on the island to hold it. charge a fiver in and I would make ........ a few quid


You needn't go to the conference to be told how important cash flow is. Some people would be paid to be trained to simple tasks, aka - much of the consultanty industry, they get paid to tell people what they should already know, to be operating in the business

bob charles

reilig wrote: »

I don't take a lot of positives from this week. Disease like BSE and Foot and Mouth is something that we have litle control over. Greed caused this!

but couldn't that be said for everyone of us, trying to cut costs and run or businesses to maintain margin, greed is the driver.

reilig

bob charles wrote: »

but couldn't that be said for everyone of us, trying to cut costs and run or businesses to maintain margin, greed is the driver.

Not in the form of this scandal.

The majority of us farmers are producing our products to the highest standards. Yes, we're cutting costs and trying to maintain margins. You can't call that greed. We are not supplementing the product that we are selling from our farms with a cheaper alternative, yet labelling and packaging the product in a manner which convinces the buyer that they are getting a non supplemented product.

greed
An excessive desire to acquire or possess more than what one needs, deserves or is entitled to

tanko

Correct me if i'm wrong here but wasn't BSE a man made problem caused by millers cutting corners in the production of animal feed. Ingredients containing animal protein weren't heated to a high enough temperature for long enough to kill off any possible contamination. BSE could easily have been prevented but for the greed of the milling industry.

I wish Coveney would send the Special Investigation Unit (SIU) into the plants involved in this latest mess.

poor farmer

bob charles wrote: »

If I organised a negative farmers conference we wouldn't get a place big enough on the island to hold it. charge a fiver in and I would make ........ a few quid


You needn't go to the conference to be told how important cash flow is. Some people would be paid to be trained to simple tasks, aka - much of the consultanty industry, they get paid to tell people what they should already know, to be operating in the business

Good man bob ,now there's an idea
A negative farmers conference

delaval

Negative farmers conference 'Are we not the ones to rescue the economy?' It must be the case I heard Pat Kenny say it anyway!!!!!!!!!

bob charles

reilig wrote: »

Not in the form of this scandal.

The majority of us farmers are producing our products to the highest standards. Yes, we're cutting costs and trying to maintain margins. You can't call that greed. We are not supplementing the product that we are selling from our farms with a cheaper alternative, yet labelling and packaging the product in a manner which convinces the buyer that they are getting a non supplemented product.

okay, if I buy cheaper animal feed than what I was buying and its the same quality I'm delighted as im cutting costs. If the merchant has FEMAS accreditation, I go thats all hunky dory. Do I really know whats in the feed? No, but I expect someone from authority has being keeping an eye on it to make sure its up to scratch.

Did you blame the farms using the contaminated feed during the dioxin crisis? they were buying a product that the Dept of Ag were signing off on. Would you consider these farmers Greedy as they used this feed to try and cut their costs?
A major problem is if I buy feed ex Uk I expect it to have the same traceability or equivalent standard as product im buying in Ireland. If I use Soya from Brazil I expect there to be standards in place to ensure I getting a top product by both the exporter and importer

Muckit

reilig wrote: »

Aside from the horsemeat thread which seems to have been overrun by posters who don't regularly contribute to this forum, does anyone think that the stories being pedaled by the minister and these meat companies is just pure bull****? They're saying this morning that they have it nailed down to a traceability issue with ingredients being brought from another country. The fact of the matter still remains that one of the burgers tested contained 29% of actual horse meat. You don't have to think about it too deeply torealise that this means that almost 1/3 of the burger which was advertised or promoted as being 100% beef was actually substituted with a cheaper product which looks and tastes teh same, but is up to 40% cheaper in some instances in order to mass supply a cheap product.

If you or I were selling meat at a market stall and did this, we'd get jail. I'd be 100% sure that this is a cheap scam to produce cheap burgers and increase profit and the only reason that the producer is sorry is because they got caught. It has been turned around in such away now that there are murmerings of a compensation scheme being saught (note: I'm not saying it is is being proposed) by the producer to cover losses from having to destroy millions of burgers. The producer also wins in another way by having big export markets for prime beef products and being able to justify paying lower prices to farmers in order to fill these prime beef markets which won't be affected by the burger scare at all - in fact all speculation suggests that shoppers will now turn to whole meat instead of minced meat for to meet their needs.

IMO He should be getting jail. Instead they're almost making a hero out of this producer for his con artistry.

I don't take a lot of positives from this week. Disease like BSE and Foot and Mouth is something that we have little control over. Greed caused this!

I agreed wholeheartedly. Although I would describe the factories as the processor. We are the producers.

bob charles

tanko wrote: »

Correct me if i'm wrong here but wasn't BSE a man made problem caused by millers cutting corners in the production of animal feed. Ingredients containing animal protein weren't heated to a high enough temperature for long enough to kill off any possible contamination. BSE could easily have been prevented but for the greed of the milling industry.

I wish Coveney would send the Special Investigation Unit (SIU) into the plants involved in this latest mess.

BSE was a whole different kettle of fish, it was more so the type of protein being used that became a trigger. UK gov were under pressure at the time and it has being said that they used the BSE scandal as a smoke screen, Anyone remember the figure the House of Commons was give on how many people were potentially die from vCJD? how many actually died (sorry for anyone that did). Mark Purdy's book Animal Pharm is a really good read if yous are interested in the BSE crisis

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Animal-Pharm-Struggle-Discover-Disease/dp/1905570112