Reputable garages selling cars with no NCT

bmwguy

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/3625305

Meant to ring this crowd Lyng motors today about this car but got caught up in work and didnt get a chance. In the pictures it looks OK but it says NCT out since Sep 2012. Surely the car would be put through the NCT by the garage to get a sale? Is there any other reason it wouldnt be apart from the fact that it needs money put into it to pass?

Opinions on this particular car also welcome, I know Alfas well and I will be buying a cheapish 156 so I know peoples opinions on them, I will make sure I buy a good one.

Alanstrainor

Says in the ad that it's NCT'd until 2014.

bmwguy

Alanstrainor wrote: »

Says in the ad that it's NCT'd until 2014.

Apologies pasted a link my iphone stored from a thread a couple of days ago, my mistake

This is the one

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4046134

Also its older than the ad says it was up ages it must have been re- entered or something

corkgsxr

If anyone wont put a car through nct before advertising then they have a fair idea it won't pass and it wont be cheap.

I know a cork group of garages who will take in any car as trade and sell them in one of the others for a few hundred more.

Friend sold a small suzuki alto to them as part of a deal told them it had massively failed nct. Was told they would scrap it for her and gave her 200. A day later up for sale for 500 no nct sold as is

dpofloinn

A lot of dealers will not bother doing an NCT unless they have a buyer for the car simply because they may not sell the car for 12 months or more thus letting the NCT expire for nothing.It wouldn't be unusual for the NCT to be offered as part of a deal with a potential buyer.

colm_mcm

I disagree, if you have a car in stock then you advertise it. It may be booked in for a test already.

bmwguy

Ok so dealers wait sometimes and put it through when bought? So its possible to do a deal with a garage subject to it passing NCT? Obviously I'll have to talk to particular salesman on this car. Would it be reasonable to put small deposit refundable if it doesnt pass, assuming I decided I wanted to buy it?

dpofloinn

I wouldn't offer any deposit if you are interested and happy with the car make them an offer on the condition that they put it trough the NCT and fix any problems that show up

bazz26

bmwguy wrote: »

Ok so dealers wait sometimes and put it through when bought? So its possible to do a deal with a garage subject to it passing NCT? Obviously I'll have to talk to particular salesman on this car. Would it be reasonable to put small deposit refundable if it doesnt pass, assuming I decided I wanted to buy it?

You make one of the conditions of the sale being that it has a fresh NCT. Most garages have no issue with this but if one refuses to do this then chances are not confident that it will pass so walk away.

wexie

bmwguy wrote: »

Ok so dealers wait sometimes and put it through when bought? So its possible to do a deal with a garage subject to it passing NCT? Obviously I'll have to talk to particular salesman on this car. Would it be reasonable to put small deposit refundable if it doesnt pass, assuming I decided I wanted to buy it?

I bought my last car with NCT guarantee (in writing) stating that I'd bring it in and if it failed they'd fix whatever it failed on FOC.

They just didn't want to be bothered bringing it I guess.

bmwguy

wexie wrote: »

I bought my last car with NCT guarantee (in writing) stating that I'd bring it in and if it failed they'd fix whatever it failed on FOC.

They just didn't want to be bothered bringing it I guess.

I suppose I would be happy to do this if there was a guarantee but, and I'm just being pedantic here for arguments sake, if its illegal to drive a car with no NCT, would a SIMI registered garage be allowed to let me drive off forecourt in a car that hasnt been deemed roadworthy in the eyes of the law? I know NCT is a load of balls but its still the law!

JustAddWater

dpofloinn wrote: »

A lot of dealers will not bother doing an NCT unless they have a buyer for the car simply because they may not sell the car for 12 months or more thus letting the NCT expire for nothing.It wouldn't be unusual for the NCT to be offered as part of a deal with a potential buyer.

But the NCT is backdated? No?

wexie

bmwguy wrote: »

I suppose I would be happy to do this if there was a guarantee but, and I'm just being pedantic here for arguments sake, if its illegal to drive a car with no NCT, would a SIMI registered garage be allowed to let me drive off forecourt in a car that hasnt been deemed roadworthy in the eyes of the law? I know NCT is a load of balls but its still the law!

Technically....I guess not...but you'd want to see the face on them when you ask will they take you to the NCT center with the car on a transporter

Also, not really the garages job to uphold the law. I'd just ask them to either :

1) guarantee NCT (if they won't then the either know something they're not
telling or just won't stand over the car, walk away)
2) tell them you'll buy it provided it's NCT'd in which case the same goes.

Big Nasty

Personally I would rather see the car tested pre-sale. If the dealer says it will be sold with test why not get that done and prep it for sale properly when it comes in? It's not like he'll get any longer out of the test.

colm_mcm

That yoke is pretty much a 'trade car' anyway. My guess is they'll try their luck retailing it, if it sells they'll nct it, if not they sell to the trade.

dpofloinn

''But the NCT is backdated? No?''


From what I understand It will only be back dated if it is tested is within the period of its last test and the subsequent expiry.So for example a 10 year old car due for test in Feb 2012 tested in Sept 2012 will be back dated,but that same car will not be back dated if tested in march 2013

Big Nasty

colm_mcm wrote: »

That yoke is pretty much a 'trade car' anyway. My guess is they'll try their luck retailing it, if it sells they'll nct it, if not they sell to the trade.

Or bang it up on DD as a 'Private Sale'

bazz26

wexie wrote: »

I bought my last car with NCT guarantee (in writing) stating that I'd bring it in and if it failed they'd fix whatever it failed on FOC.

They just didn't want to be bothered bringing it I guess.

I'd prefer to have it NCT'd by the dealer by the time I hand over the money, alot easier getting something sorted before paying for it than after you have already paid your money.

bmwguy

colm_mcm wrote: »

That yoke is pretty much a 'trade car' anyway. My guess is they'll try their luck retailing it, if it sells they'll nct it, if not they sell to the trade.

Getting towards trade sales pricing alright. If the car is straight and is NCT'd I think they're great value for what you get

A somewhat related question.

If I buy a car from a garage and the NCT is expired in a month, is it common to require a fresh one?

Looking at a car which has an NCT until February but sure thats a max of 8 weeks from now.

So at what point does one ask for an NCT?....under 3 months etc.

If its not common for them to freshly NCT the car, should I offer a percentage below the cost price as standard?

colm_mcm

The rules are changed now, a full 12 months can be got on an nct now as long as its not done late, so no excuse to not have stock up to date. Only thing making this less practical is the waiting lists on nct.

mgbgt1978

....if they're in any way a large Dealer (especially a Main dealer) they will not have to join any NCT queue .
It could be NCT'ed on monday if they wanted.

If it's a smaller operation I wouldn't buy it with such a short NCT. Unless there's an issue with the car they should have at least booked it in (with a guarantee of it passing, even with a retest) before offering it for sale.

Mech1

I would much prefer buying a car with no NCT but a written promise from the dealer that any probs with NCT are fully covered.

This is because I know of a guy that the trade uses to get "quick appointments", normally the next day, its very unusual for a car to fail if you pay his €50 booking fee.

mgbgt1978

Ya I heard about the written guarantee, so wasn't sure what way it works when it's out in 8 weeks if not less.

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

....if they're in any way a large Dealer (especially a Main dealer) they will not have to join any NCT queue .
It could be NCT'ed on monday if they wanted.

If it's a smaller operation I wouldn't buy it with such a short NCT. Unless there's an issue with the car they should have at least booked it in (with a guarantee of it passing, even with a retest) before offering it for sale.

It's a Toyota dealer all right so that answers that part.

Just want to know what way to approach it when I contact them tomorrow.

mickdw

With the way the nct is now, there is no reason whatsoever to buy without test as any car can be tested now at any date.

The nct guarantee idea is a load of crap.
I know of dodgy dealers flat out refusing to honour this claiming all sorts of nonsense, blaming the new owner for worn suspension and even an emissions fault.
Get new test prior to purchase or walk away.

colm_mcm

gilberto_eire wrote: »

Ya I heard about the written guarantee, so wasn't sure what way it works when it's out in 8 weeks if not less.



It's a Toyota dealer all right so that answers that part.

Just want to know what way to approach it when I contact them tomorrow.

Push for a toyota dealer cover warranty. (Its a toyota backed warranty and one of the best around)

You get a booklet etc, you can get repair work fine in any toyota dealer. Make sure you get one of these. Dealer will have to pay toyota for this so make sure they actually give it to you.

Del2005

Mech1 wrote: »

I would much prefer buying a car with no NCT but a written promise from the dealer that any probs with NCT are fully covered.

If I was buying without an NCT I'd be holding back several hundred Euro till it passes to cover any possible issues, if they claim it'll pass why wouldn't they agree to this!! Even getting something in writing is no much use if your car is off the road for any length of time. The consumer looses their strength in a deal once they hand over the money.

colm_mcm

I can't see a dealer letting a car out before its paid in full.
Good luck getting an extra €700 out of punter in 2 months time.

Gumbo

Get it in writing that it is NCT guaranteed and the garage will rectify any faults that the nct show up. I've done that before.

colm_mcm

If it's a main dealer you're safe enough.

stimpson

I bought a car last December with Nct due at the end of January. The dealer didn't even have to be prompted and said it would get a fresh NCT before he let it go. Saved me €50 and a couple of hours of waiting around.

It also got a full valet, 2 tyres and €20 of petrol without me asking. I can't imagine he saw much profit, but it's good business as I'll go back to him again and again.