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What's a fair price for 04 Citroen C5 Hdi 2.0
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17-01-2013 6:29pm#1
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Wicklowandy wrote: »10 months nct means it may have been a yr and a half since last test
My mistake - it was tested around Oct\Nov last year - so is good until late 2014
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Value just shot up in my mind to about €1600-€1700. The price might well be different. C5s have an awful, tedious, boringly complex list of potential issues. The hdi would be the motor of choice to me, but the value of C5s is low for a good reason, they give trouble of the complex/expensive kind.My mistake - it was tested around Oct\Nov last year - so is good until late 2014
Check the clutch very thoroughly, they wear very quickly and are not cheap to replace. The electrics are very weak - check everything, windows, boot lids,warning lights,airbag lights, the door locks jam and fail, they are very flimsy despite looking tough, heater resistors die regularily, check the brakes for unusual wear - the calipers stick and apply pressure unevenly, check the suspension carefully-it is complex and the suspension ecu fails and is dear to fix, (it's part of the suspension pump). It is slated in by Citroen for a 5 year full overhaul as part of normal servicing(was this done?). Front shocks can fail and are dear, check them, same goes for the DPF, which most 2.0hdi's do have(check that maybe?).
The cheap purchase price is no good if you get hit with a big bill down the road. But, if it is minded, serviced and in good nick, they're a very comfy car to smoke around in:) if you keep it serviced by a good independent specialist, a great car to smoke around in.0 -
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Value just shot up in my mind to about €1600-€1700. The price might well be different. C5s have an awful, tedious, boringly complex list of potential issues. The hdi would be the motor of choice to me, but the value of C5s is low for a good reason, they give trouble of the complex/expensive kind.
Check the clutch very thoroughly, they wear very quickly and are not cheap to replace. The electrics are very weak - check everything, windows, boot lids,warning lights,airbag lights, the door locks jam and fail, they are very flimsy despite looking tough, heater resistors die regularily, check the brakes for unusual wear - the calipers stick and apply pressure unevenly, check the suspension carefully-it is complex and the suspension ecu fails and is dear to fix, (it's part of the suspension pump). It is slated in by Citroen for a 5 year full overhaul as part of normal servicing(was this done?). Front shocks can fail and are dear, check them, same goes for the DPF, which most 2.0hdi's do have(check that maybe?).
The cheap purchase price is no good if you get hit with a big bill down the road. But, if it is minded, serviced and in good nick, they're a very comfy car to smoke around in:) if you keep it serviced by a good independent specialist, a great car to smoke around in.
Some of the later Hdi units have the Diesel Particulate Filter and it was round 2004 that they changed to having a DPF and even then only some of them had a DPF. The 138bhp Hdi came with versions with a DPF and a version without a DPF to confuse matters.
However, some helpful info I got off Citroen a while back should tell you definitively and it involves looking at the VIN on the bottom of the windscreen.
The starter for all should be V7F and then a 4 letter alphabetical code starting with R.
RHYB 90bhp (manual) (no dpf)
RHZE 110bhp (auto) (no dpf)
RHZB 110bhp (manual) (no dpf)
RHRH 138bhp (manual) (DPF)
RHRJ 138bhp (auto) (DPF)
RHRG 138bhp (manual) (no DPF)
Even then, the DPF really only gives trouble in cars that have done short run work for most of it's life. If it's done motorway miles, you've not much to worry about really. The HDi is a solid engine and was far and away better than the 1.9 VW TDI.
Pottler, is it the shocks on the Coil sprung that give trouble, we've never had one of the sprung version ourselves.
The hydropneumatic pump ecu can give erratic trouble but the bones of it is just valves, spheres and accumulators and it's simpler than most people think, it won't give much trouble until the spheres need to replaced, which was longer than the old ones on the Xantia/XM at an interval of around 125,000 miles. (or whenever they go rock hard
).
The front ones last less long than the back due to the weight and they are working at a higher temperature. Sadly they can't be recharged like the old spheres (at 20 euro a go
). You can however get decent spurious spheres now, GSF supply good ones so it reduces the cost of replacement.
Everything else that pottler mentioned, I've seen occasionally, particularly the sticky brake calliper, listen for a squeak when taking off from a stop.
But yea, when looked after they are a solid cruising car, great for munching up miles and well worth the money (I think).0 -
Great post Bx, and I agree with everything except your "sprung version" quip:D Feck orf:D Fly in the ointment is I live about a mile from you and I know you know Kevin Hurst, which most don't, so I'm gonna take your post as advice for people who want to buy somthing Mr Bx can buy much more safely than you!":)Some of the later Hdi units have the Diesel Particulate Filter and it was round 2004 that they changed to having a DPF and even then only some of them had a DPF. The 138bhp Hdi came with versions with a DPF and a version without a DPF to confuse matters.
However, some helpful info I got off Citroen a while back should tell you definitively and it involves looking at the VIN on the bottom of the windscreen.
The starter for all should be V7F and then a 4 letter alphabetical code starting with R.
RHYB 90bhp (manual) (no dpf)
RHZE 110bhp (auto) (no dpf)
RHZB 110bhp (manual) (no dpf)
RHRH 138bhp (manual) (DPF)
RHRJ 138bhp (auto) (DPF)
RHRG 138bhp (manual) (no DPF)
Even then, the DPF really only gives trouble in cars that have done short run work for most of it's life. If it's done motorway miles, you've not much to worry about really. The HDi is a solid engine and was far and away better than the 1.9 VW TDI.
Pottler, is it the shocks on the Coil sprung that give trouble, we've never had one of the sprung version ourselves.
The hydropneumatic pump ecu can give erratic trouble but the bones of it is just valves, spheres and accumulators and it's simpler than most people think, it won't give much trouble until the spheres need to replaced, which was longer than the old ones on the Xantia/XM at an interval of around 125,000 miles. (or whenever they go rock hard).
The front ones last less long than the back due to the weight and they are working at a higher temperature. Sadly they can't be recharged like the old spheres (at 20 euro a go ). You can however get decent spurious spheres now, GSF supply good ones so it reduces the cost of replacement.
Everything else that pottler mentioned, I've seen occasionally, particularly the sticky brake calliper, listen for a squeak when taking off from a stop.
But yea, when looked after they are a solid cruising car, great for munching up miles and well worth the money (I think).0 -
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I like your sense of humour, good one! Pisshat for reliablility! Gotta love a joker. Do feckin not get me storted.:D
This is in comparassion to a bloody Citroen HDI.....Dont get me started, brendan grace wannabe and i never said buy a passat for reliability, i said for Less headaches 0 -
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You don't have a clue what you're on about.Why would you put yourself through the pain, agony and torture of buying a Citroen C5? The Hdi is a very poor engine, Id be very suprised if it didnt have a dpf, Turbo is also a consistent failure on this model, as already mentioned, the suspension on these is very complex and fragile and the electrics are a disaster! Buy a 01-02 passat for similar money but much fewer headaches!
Due to the system we have that encourages buying cars in January, I would say that it's 95% certain that the car you're looking at is the 1st generation, pre-facelifted C5. Is this the one you're looking at?
If that's the case as I suspect, then this car will most likely be the 90bhp 2.0 model, or hopefully the 110bhp 2.0 version. There was a 2.2 model with a DPF, but it's very rare in this country. Neither the 90/110bhp has a DPF (or a DMF for that matter) and both are equally as reliable as the VW TDI engines (older Peugeot 406's with the same engine have been known to get to 500k miles). Turbo failure on these cars is almost unheard of, so I don't know where you're getting the idea that these C5's are prone to the issue. The suspension system in this car is also much simpler than the modern models, and while it can cause problems (no more so than other models), these aren't endemic or as expensive to fix as they are for post-facelift and mk2 versions. As for electrics, the model I am familiar with has had no problems, other than it seemingly like to blow 2-3 bulbs a year.
Pre-facelifted C5's are criminally underrated cars in this country. Anyone who I know who has owned one (I am talking about the most common 2.0 HDI) has had as good reliablity as the Passat of the same generation. The problem is that the newer C5's are much less reliable and have dragged the name of this model down.0 -
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ah its alright, ya get what u pay for, Im a Cheap skateFrancie Barrett wrote: »sorry for your troubles, mate. But you're talking about two completely different cars. The c5 is more like a 406 than a 407 which unfortunately is a dog. 0 -
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