Is farming a male or female profession?

mise1992

When you think of farming or even a farmer what gender comes to mind and why? All answers are greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Death and Taxes

It's not a "Profession" FFS!

staker

It is.

leeroybrown

If it's done properly it is a profession.

leeroybrown

...and I believe the correct chauvinist term for a female farmer is a "farmerette".

Boombastic

I know both male and female farmers, so both?

mise1992

WileyCoyote (Accelleratii Incredibus!) wrote: »

It's not a "Profession" FFS!

Why do you think that it is not a profession? Thanks for you comment though.

WindSock

leeroybrown wrote: »

...and I believe the correct chauvinist term for a female farmer is a "farmerette".

No, it's "farmers wife"

davet82

when i think of farming, i think of old mcdonald...

Death and Taxes

staker wrote: »

It is.

Evidence please,where is "Farming" listed as a profession?

edited to retract dickish comment, apologies to all.

My name is URL

WileyCoyote (Accelleratii Incredibus!) wrote: »

Evidence please, where is sitting on your hole waiting for the EU grant cheque (AKA "Farming") listed as a profession?

I enjoy reading most of your posts but some of the stuff you come out with is just asinine and needlessly inflammatory.

Death and Taxes

My name is URL wrote: »

I enjoy reading most of your posts but some of the stuff you come out with is just asinine and needlessly inflammatory.

Apologies URL, but I fail to see how farming is a profession, it is certainly not listed in any list of professions I have ever seen including my days working in both insurance and finance.
I probably was a little ott with the "sitting on your hole" stuff though.I (I have amended that post)

davet82

WileyCoyote (Accelleratii Incredibus!) wrote: »

Apologies URL, but I fail to see how farming is a profession, it is certainly not listed in any list of professions I have ever seen including my days working in both insurance and finance.
I probably was a little ott with the "sitting on your hole" stuff though.

:pac:

RidleyRider

WileyCoyote (Accelleratii Incredibus!) wrote: »

Evidence please,where is "Farming" listed as a profession?

edited to retract dickish comment, apologies to all.

Well when they're milking of cows and meat for you to eat is all in there hands, then yes it's a profession.

We'd all be screwed without farmers, no dairy at all.

mise1992

WileyCoyote (Accelleratii Incredibus!) wrote: »

Evidence please, where is sitting on your hole waiting for the EU grant cheque (AKA "Farming") listed as a profession?

Correct me if I am wrong, but you drink on a regular basis I am guessing. Where does milk come from? Cows. In order for cows to produce milk they need to be feed and taken care of and so on. If there wasnt a farmer doing these then there wouldnt be any milk for you tea or breakfast. They same can be said for your bread, meat, yoghurt. Everything that you consume comes from the ground which needs to be farmed in order for it to be made available for factories to make them into meals that we all eat. Without farming or farmers non of these would be available for us and for out survival. Also please dont assume that farmers get "EU grant cheque" from doing nothing, it is very hard to get one in the first place. Once again thanks for you answer.

Death and Taxes

mise1992 wrote: »

Correct me if I am wrong, but you drink on a regular basis I am guessing. Where does milk come from? Cows. In order for cows to produce milk they need to be feed and taken care of and so on. If there wasnt a farmer doing these then there wouldnt be any milk for you tea or breakfast. They same can be said for your bread, meat, yoghurt. Everything that you consume comes from the ground which needs to be farmed in order for it to be made available for factories to make them into meals that we all eat. Without farming or farmers non of these would be available for us and for out survival. Also please dont assume that farmers get "EU grant cheque" from doing nothing, it is very hard to get one in the first place. Once again thanks for you answer.

All fine, but that only makes it an occupation, albeit an important one.
By your logic all occupation would be professions, I am saying that is not the case.

mise1992

If you google occupation you are told job or PROFESSION. Please explain to me how farming isn't a profession. From one of your previous posts you mention that you were in insurance and finance which means that you have a nine to five job, five days a week and correct if I am wrong, but with approximately three weeks of paid holidays? Farming is not a nine to five job, its a twenty-four seven, three hundred and sixty fives days a year job. Farmers don't get an hourly wage. Any money that is made is made out of hard work. I am not saying that working in an insurance or finance company is hard work, I am sure it is, but farming is not a piece of cake.

bbam

WileyCoyote (Accelleratii Incredibus!) wrote: »

All fine, but that only makes it an occupation, albeit an important one.
By your logic all occupation would be professions, I am saying that is not the case.

Two points to make;
1. If a farmer has a full recognised L7/L8 agricultural qualification and are actively farming them I don't see why it isn't a profession. I would agree that the majority of farmers with little or no qualifications are what I would consider Skilled occupations.

2. Having worked in the agriculture services sector, dealing with 1,000 farmers I'd guess that it's about 5% of farmers are female. By this I mean the main person in charge of the enterprise is female. On most farms the wife will be out working at as much as she can on the farm and possibly caring for children too, surely she's considered a farmer too.

Super-Rush

WileyCoyote (Accelleratii Incredibus!) wrote: »

Apologies URL, but I fail to see how farming is a profession, it is certainly not listed in any list of professions I have ever seen including my days working in both insurance and finance.
I probably was a little ott with the "sitting on your hole" stuff though.I (I have amended that post)

I'm telling you to quit with the flaming or you can have some time off to sit on your hole.

Micky Dolenz

Of course farming is a profession.

Anything done professionally, for money is a profession.

gobnaitolunacy

WileyCoyote (Accelleratii Incredibus!) wrote: »

Evidence please,where is "Farming" listed as a profession?

edited to retract dickish comment, apologies to all.

It's the third oldest profession, after prostitution and hunter-gatherer.

Lyaiera

Pippa Middleton's Arse wrote: »

Of course farming is a profession.

Anything done professionally, for money is a profession.

It's not. Professions usually have a standard of ethics and calling to a "higher power" associated with them. Doctors would have been called to help people and have a responsibility to people, lawyers to the law and a legal system, priests to their god(s.) There's been arguments that other jobs are professions too, but the traditional professions have always been doctor, lawyer and priest (and prostitute.)

Death and Taxes

mise1992 wrote: »

If you google occupation you are told job or PROFESSION. Please explain to me how farming isn't a profession. From one of your previous posts you mention that you were in insurance and finance which means that you have a nine to five job, five days a week and correct if I am wrong, but with approximately three weeks of paid holidays? Farming is not a nine to five job, its a twenty-four seven, three hundred and sixty fives days a year job. Farmers don't get an hourly wage. Any money that is made is made out of hard work. I am not saying that working in an insurance or finance company is hard work, I am sure it is, but farming is not a piece of cake.

I was many years ago, I am self employed now and have been for a few years, and believe me it is not 9-5 5 days a week (I wish it was:)).
My only point was the use of the word profession which I contend is usually associated with a relativley small number of occupations, Doctors,Architects,accountants etc.
I fully accept that farming is a vital job, and that it involves anti social hours and work in all kind of weather.
And i have already apologised for my ill thought out attempt at humour earlier in the thread.

Micky Dolenz

Lyaiera wrote: »

It's not. Professions usually have a standard of ethics and calling to a "higher power" associated with them. Doctors would have been called to help people and have a responsibility to people, lawyers to the law and a legal system, priests to their god(s.) There's been arguments that other jobs are professions too, but the traditional professions have always been doctor, lawyer and priest (and prostitute.)

Complete nonsense.

What is your profession aka what do you do for a living. Etc.

My name is URL

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/profession

What Lyaiera is talking about are known as 'learned professions'.

Madam

Lyaiera wrote: »

It's not. Professions usually have a standard of ethics and calling to a "higher power" associated with them. Doctors would have been called to help people and have a responsibility to people, lawyers to the law and a legal system, priests to their god(s.) There's been arguments that other jobs are professions too, but the traditional professions have always been doctor, lawyer and priest (and prostitute.)

What would be the prostitute's 'higher power' or ethics be?:)

Wouldn't a farmer with a degree in say horticulture be a professional?

Boombastic

Of course there are ethics involved in farming.
Animal welfare is one
Only giving animals medicines suitable for the food chain is another

Death and Taxes

Madam wrote: »

What would be the prostitute's 'higher power' or ethics be?:)

Wouldn't a farmer with a degree in say horticulture be a professional?

With a degree in Horticulure you would be a Horticulturalist I think.
Farming is very diverse from tillage, to livestock etc.
Not sure what the higher power or ethics of prostitution are.

Lyaiera

My name is URL wrote: »

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/profession

What Lyaiera is talking about are known as 'learned professions'.

Yeah, because they're the originals.

A huge amount of jobs claim the status of being a profession now. There's no simple definition of it but one of the classic aspects of it is the higher calling/ethical aspect of it. The consequence of which is that the profession governs itself (to a large degree.)* For all the professions I know there's a regulatory body that deems whether you can call yourself part of that profession or not. You can have a law degree but you're not a barrister unless you've been called to the bar and are member of the Bar Counsel. You can be qualifed in medicine but unless you're licensed to practice by the Medical Council you're not allowed to (I think, I'm not 100% on practicing medicine here.) And that's even where the idea of people practicing their profession comes from.

*Edit: And a run on from that is that a profession doesn't bow to the law, but does what is ethical. So theoretically if the law said a doctor shouldn't do something, but he felt it was the right thing to do as per his professional calling, he should do it.

Squ

mise1992 wrote: »

When you think of farming or even a farmer what gender comes to mind and why? All answers are greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Is this another college assignment?

Any able bodied person with a pan chant for getting up at 4 every morning can be a farmer, male or female.

castletownman

People knocking farming as not being a profession have to realise that this is Ireland and there is a high likelihood that ancestrally speaking the majority of the population have links to farming. It remains the lifeblood of the country, and the quality of produce produced by Irish farmers are at a globally recognised high standard, and should be a source of national pride.

I'd certainly consider farming as not only a profession, but a hugely significant one. And a certainly more honest one than the self-importance those in finance and banking seem to harbour.

Boombastic

Squ wrote: »

Is this another college assignment?

Any able bodied person with a pan chant for getting up at 4 every morning can be a farmer, male or female.

Same could be said for childcare professionals. Any idiot can raise a child.

tunedout

a farmer is a man

Squ

mise1992 wrote: »

When you think of farming or even a farmer what gender comes to mind and why? All answers are greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Is this another college assignment?

Any able bodied person with a penchant for getting up at 4 every morning can be a farmer, male or female.

But to answer your question, when i think of a farmer, i think of a slightly overweight, caucasian, late 40's male.

Oranage2

Male, no idea why i just picture the man out feeding the cows while the woman is making jam gossiping to Mary next door and talkin about the latest sex and the city episode.

DesperateDan

Google definition: 1.A paid occupation, esp. one that involves prolonged training and a formal qualification

I wouldn't know how to farm without prolonged training, I'm pretty sure it's not just driving tractors and looking at cattle - therefore farming = profession.

Back to the OP's college assignment question though I would consider it a masculine profession because it traditionally involves manual labour for which men are generally physically more suited, simple as that. If women were expected to run farms and have babies they'd have a lot on their plate. (That's not sexist, right?!)

Lyaiera

Madam wrote: »

What would be the prostitute's 'higher power' or ethics be?:)

That's the point of the satire: however esteemed, educated and ethical these professions are they're no better than someone shagging for money.

Madam

Oranage2 wrote: »

Male, no idea why i just picture the man out feeding the cows while the woman is making jam gossiping to Mary next door and talkin about the latest sex and the city episode.

Your not a country person are you;)

Boombastic

DesperateDan wrote: »

........................... I would consider it a masculine profession because it traditionally involves manual labour for which men are generally physically more suited, simple as that. ..........

They have these inventions called tractors:pac::pac:

Annasopra

tunedout wrote: »

a farmer is a man or woman

agreed

gobnaitolunacy

Some folks seem to think that someone with a 'profession' is a stuffed shirt with letters after their name who never gets his/her hands dirty.

Honey-ec

What a coincidence, as today's Straight Dope question specifically addresses what is considered a profession:

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/877/what-makes-a-man-a-professional

al28283

Pippa Middleton's Arse wrote: »

Of course farming is a profession.

Anything done professionally, for money is a profession.

No, it isn't.