Wireless alarm for house

glic83

Ok i used to install alarms a few years back and it was mostly the hkc panels although i have used and installed some panels from the aritech range. Anyway long story short, friend needs an alarm that would need to be wireless. Now ive not installed a wireless system before so would probably stay with the hkc range.

If im understanding this correctly i would need
1 hybrid panel
5 wireless beams (do these come with batteries? or bought separately?)
1 wireless external bell
1 wireless/wired interal bell

Now is there anything else thats needed? the hybrid panel doesnt require anything extra for the wireless beam, external bell etc?
How good are the wireless external bells? Also how long do the batteries last in the beams and external bell?

Cheers in advance

KoolKid

glic83 wrote: »

If im understanding this correctly i would need
1 hybrid panel

You could use the 10/70 which is Hybrid or the Quantum which is a full wireless system

glic83 wrote: »

5 wireless beams (do these come with batteries? or bought separately?)

Batteries are included

glic83 wrote: »

1 wireless external bell
1 wireless/wired interal bell

You could use either wired or wireless internal & external bells.
My preference would be to wire the external if at all possible.

glic83

Cheers for the reply m8,

Is there much of a difference price wise between the 2 panels?
Also with the Quantum i presume it can take a wired external bell and wired keypad? and does the panel include a wired keypad like the standard hkc panel?

Thunderbird2

The quantum can take a wireless keypad
The wireless bells are good when used with the extra battery pack . I have one .
If you're using the quantum and an extra RF keypad then place the keypad downstairs and put the quantum upstairs and wire the external bell since it will be easier to get the wire to the bell . But the wireless is just as good and comes with the kit 2 pack .
. The quantum has a built in internal siren and dialler .
Why are you using a trap pack ?
It's better to protect the doors and windows with 2-3 PIRs . It also allows the panel to get the texts/calls out incase they try a smash and grab

KoolKid

glic83 wrote: »

Cheers for the reply m8,

Is there much of a difference price wise between the 2 panels?
Also with the Quantum i presume it can take a wired external bell and wired keypad? and does the panel include a wired keypad like the standard hkc panel?

Not a lot of difference in the price. Shop around. Take a look at the sticky here for some suppliers.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055956748

Again I would lean towards a wired bell. I have come across systems where the bell battery has died after a short period of time & the comms fault had been isolated & forgotten about.
Also using a powered bell you can get something like this

which is a much better deterrent.

Thunderbird2

+1 for the pyronics but you need a good sized print on the front . But again there's nothing wrong with the HKC RF bells . The white LEDs are very noticeable
The quantum kit works out much cheaper when compared to the 10/70
Dialler €90
Bell €60
Int bell €15
Battery €15

KoolKid

To compare the 2 bells..

Thunderbird2

Comparison without the logo which is what it will come like

glic83

Cheers for the replies lads, the quantum panel looks good when purchasing the pack deal, the hkc rf bell looks the same as the wired version , i take it that it is the same physical size? Putting the panel upstairs and a wireless keypad downstairs could be an option so cheers for that idea. Another question re the wirelss sensors is it possible to conect a contact into the wireless sensor so that they are in series? or is it that the wireless sensors also have a reed contact built in and you can just place a magnet next to the sensor so you have a sensor and contact?

KoolKid

The wireless sensors have a contact built in. You can wire other contacts out from that.

glic83

Thanks for the help lads now to get a price for the system itself

KoolKid

Shop around through the list here...
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showt...p?t=2055956748

glic83

just 1 more question can you have 2 wireless sensors on the 1 zone or is it 1 device per zone?

KoolKid

glic83 wrote: »

just 1 more question can you have 2 wireless sensors on the 1 zone or is it 1 device per zone?

Why would you want to?

glic83

because there would be 2 beams and 10 sensors so 12 zones needed at max, is the panel 10 zones as default and expander cards to get extra zones ?

KoolKid

The quantum can handle 70 wireless detectors. Your thinking of 10 wired ID sensors I think.

glic83

yes that would be right so i can have 12 wireless devices no problem so happy days 70 devices as standard is great for a panel without getting into expansion cards

altor

Thunderbird2 wrote: »

+1 for the pyronics but you need a good sized print on the front . But again there's nothing wrong with the HKC RF bells . The white LEDs are very noticeable
The quantum kit works out much cheaper when compared to the 10/70
Dialler €90
Bell €60
Int bell €15
Battery €15

Have to agree. The Quantum kit works out cheaper with all the other components added in.

Speak Now

Is wireless much more expensive lads? I have the wired sensors on my doors and the motion sensors in all the rooms. Id like to get the windows in the bedrooms done.

altor

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: »

Is wireless much more expensive lads? I have the wired sensors on my doors and the motion sensors in all the rooms. Id like to get the windows in the bedrooms done.

You would either need a hybrid panel installed or else some sort of quick bridge to add wirefree detectors. Prices can vary so shop around is always the best advice to give.

glic83

Right installed the quantum panel for my friend today so will see how it goes over the next few days 10 wireless sensors and 2 wireless beams.

The keyfob is an issue the panic button on the keyfob doesnt work all the other buttons work eg set,unset,part a part b but when you push the red button nothing? is there something that has to be changed in the settings? * and # together on the keypad is setting off the pa if needed at the moment untill i can get this sorted. Any thoughts

KoolKid

By default its a duress alarm. For it to be audible change Duress Bell No to Duress bell yes

glic83

sorry just to clarify KoolKid * and # on the kepad is setting off the alarm as it should with the internal and external bell both sounding, so wouldnt duress bell already be at yes if its going off for keypad, or is this a setting for the keyfob?

altor

glic83 wrote: »

Right installed the quantum panel for my friend today so will see how it goes over the next few days 10 wireless sensors and 2 wireless beams.

The keyfob is an issue the panic button on the keyfob doesnt work all the other buttons work eg set,unset,part a part b but when you push the red button nothing? is there something that has to be changed in the settings? * and # together on the keypad is setting off the pa if needed at the moment untill i can get this sorted. Any thoughts

It does work but the keypad will show no indication of the duress being pressed unless it is set up for bell too.
Until you disarm the system that is.

To set up the Bell go into devices menu, RF devices, RF devices options and set duress be to yes. Also change the duress delay. I set it to 5. A duress is mean to be silent but if you want the bell ringing too it can be set up

glic83

Ill pop in the next day and try that cheers for the info lads, also what is the range for the wireless beams as in what is the max distance from a panel they can be ? he has a shed that hes on about putting on the system but the shed is a nice bit from the house.

altor

glic83 wrote: »

Ill pop in the next day and try that cheers for the info lads, also what is the range for the wireless beams as in what is the max distance from a panel they can be ? he has a shed that hes on about putting on the system but the shed is a nice bit from the house.

They have a 400 meter line of site range. Best off testing before fixing

glic83

lol dont think the beam would be 400m away from the panel , more like 25-30m away from the panel

altor

glic83 wrote: »

lol dont think the beam would be 400m away from the panel , more like 25-30m away from the panel

That should be no problem so

king_of_inismac

Hi,

Sorry to jump in. I'd like to install a system like this in my parents house.

Can anyone recommend where to source the parts (I'm an electronic engineer so hopefully will be able to handle the installation).

Also, would I need two panels? One near the door to set the alarm when they're leaving and one near the bedrooms to set it at night before bed?

Thanks in advance!

altor

king_of_inismac wrote: »

Hi,

Sorry to jump in. I'd like to install a system like this in my parents house.

Can anyone recommend where to source the parts (I'm an electronic engineer so hopefully will be able to handle the installation).

Also, would I need two panels? One near the door to set the alarm when they're leaving and one near the bedrooms to set it at night before bed?

Thanks in advance!

Most of the suppliers here would stock this system.
There is also a keyfob in the pack it comes in if the wanted to use that to set/unset or part setting of the system.
You can also get a wire free keypad for the bedroom if they wanted to see the keypad screen.

glic83

well ive installed systems before but today was my 1st time installing the quantum and have to say was great , very quick to install, and straight forward to set up. I had 1 issue with the keyfob which thanks to the help on here should be sorted over the next few days, it is expensive for the wireless sensors and beams though.

altor

glic83 wrote: »

well ive installed systems before but today was my 1st time installing the quantum and have to say was great , very quick to install, and straight forward to set up. I had 1 issue with the keyfob which thanks to the help on here should be sorted over the next few days, it is expensive for the wireless sensors and beams though.

Wire free is always going to be more costly than a wired system.
Great to install and use

KoolKid

glic83 wrote: »

sorry just to clarify KoolKid * and # on the kepad is setting off the alarm as it should with the internal and external bell both sounding, so wouldnt duress bell already be at yes if its going off for keypad, or is this a setting for the keyfob?

The keypad PA is set as audible panic. The duress is a separate setting. This makes it possible to choose an audible or silent if you have monitoring.
Likewise the keypad can be changed to silent also.

glic83

cheers for the info, i remembered the silent pa from when i installed the 6/10 a few years back but this was all new but infairness i think its great, really like the way things have moved forward,would like to see what panels will be like in a few years, hopefully the wireless systems will come down another bit very expensive but so handy to install no lifting floorboard or crawling around attics etc

KoolKid

Lots of exiting things happening within the industry. IP is the big thing now & will become more standard in the future. I was taking to an IT guy while fitting out a large computer shop recently. He was saying with the introduction of IP6 and this giving us relatively unlimited IP address's most household appliances ,in the near future, will have their own IP address with remote access.