Now that the Nurses have been sorted --

mountai

Is it not time that the "Princes" in our overburdened health services are brought into line??. Hospital consultants are paid twice as much as their counterparts in UK and Germany, and four times as much, as some of our EU partners pay for their services. Thank God for the Troika, without them we, the ordinary people would never be aware, of the continuing scandles that are being foisted upon us.Its obvious that our Political Masters dont have the Moral or Political courage to right these matters. LONG LIVE THE TROIKA.

ChunkyLover_53

mountai wrote: »

Is it not time that the "Princes" in our overburdened health services are brought into line??. Hospital consultants are paid twice as much as their counterparts in UK and Germany, and four times as much, as some of our EU partners pay for their services. Thank God for the Troika, without them we, the ordinary people would never be aware, of the continuing scandles that are being foisted upon us.Its obvious that our Political Masters dont have the Moral or Political courage to right these matters. LONG LIVE THE TROIKA.

Don't you mean "Troika Uber Alles!"

galwayrush

Better if they started at the top first.

This disgraceful carry on of paying the nurses a pittance will be over turned sooner or later. Absolute joke expecting them to work for so little and the gov will have to choice but to back track.

Anyone who thinks nurses should have to work for a little over 18k a year into their hand don't deserve an opinion.

donvito99

We need more Dr Nick Rivieras in the HSE.

ChunkyLover_53

donvito99 wrote: »

We need more Dr Nick Rivieras in the HSE.

That may have been the problem initially

Dozen Wicked Words

Doubt OP, with all his impotent rage has "sorted" anyone for a while.

Archeron

donvito99 wrote: »

We need more Dr Nick Rivieras in the HSE.

I got these gloves free with my toilet brush!

Odysseus

Kylen Damp Television wrote: »

This disgraceful carry on of paying the nurses a pittance will be over turned sooner or later. Absolute joke expecting them to work for so little and the gov will have to choice but to back track.

Anyone who thinks nurses should have to work for a little over 18k a year into their hand don't deserve an opinion.

Sure nobody has even been interviewed as yet for those posts. When we see a nurse on the wards getting paid such a low rate then it will have gone through.


At this stage I am still unsure as to whether it will actually happen.

kfallon

The thread title sounds like a Pat Mustard quote!

mikom

mountai wrote: »

Now that the Nurses have been sorted

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

My name is URL

Thank God for the Troika, without them we, the ordinary people would never be aware, of the continuing scandles

'We, the ordinary people'... ordinary in what way? Are nurses etc not ordinary people?

Also, there is no God.. and it's spelled 'scandals'.

Hurrah for awareness!

squod

You have to be fuhken jokin' me.........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCt787qneQw

mikom

My name is URL wrote: »

Also, there is no God.. and it's spelled 'scandals'.

Shhhush........... he's coming for the primary school teachers next.

Bookies, he don't mind them though.............. http://www.boards.ie/search/submit/?user=254176&date_to=&date_from=&query=*%3A*&forum=389

Luca Brasi

mountai wrote: »

Is it not time that the "Princes" in our overburdened health services are brought into line??. Hospital consultants are paid twice as much as their counterparts in UK and Germany, and four times as much, as some of our EU partners pay for their services. Thank God for the Troika, without them we, the ordinary people would never be aware, of the continuing scandles that are being foisted upon us.Its obvious that our Political Masters dont have the Moral or Political courage to right these matters. LONG LIVE THE TROIKA.

At least we dont need the services of some of our wonderful overcharging rip off tradesmen in the private sector anymore as we can get the Polish lads to do it far cheaper and get a better job done too

Dingle_berry

OP please write that statement out and keep it in your wallet or pocket so that when these nurses that required "sorting out" come to help put you back together sometime they know where your head really belongs.
The arrangement is a temporary one, it doesn't affect all nurses and is creating a second tier of student nurses - ones that are qualified and have experience, but not much.
The public sector pay is a major problem. Everyone knows that. But instead of following the governments slights of hand, pointing the finger and chanting off with their heads! Why not demand better HR over all? Introduce better time keeping and sick leave management - allow HR to fire the wasters without fear of unions. Then, once we have a system that is full of people working equally and as a team, target things like pay and centralisation. Do a new, EU wide benchmarking.

galwayrush

Luca Brasi wrote: »

At least we dont need the services of some of our wonderful overcharging rip off tradesmen in the private sector anymore as we can get the Polish lads to do it far cheaper and get a better job done too

Yes, so they can send money out of the country. A lot of the good Irish tradesmen have been forced to leave because of the enforced race to the bottom.
Very hard to compete with cheap labour and try and produce an income to pay taxes to help pay for the public sector.

Fr_Dougal

mountai wrote: »

Is it not time that the "Princes" in our overburdened health services are brought into line??. Hospital consultants are paid twice as much as their counterparts in UK and Germany, and four times as much, as some of our EU partners pay for their services. Thank God for the Troika, without them we, the ordinary people would never be aware, of the continuing scandles that are being foisted upon us.Its obvious that our Political Masters dont have the Moral or Political courage to right these matters. LONG LIVE THE TROIKA.

If that's the case then why aren't there more British, German and other foreign consultants working over here?

Jimoslimos

Luca Brasi wrote: »

At least we dont need the services of some of our wonderful overcharging rip off tradesmen in the private sector anymore as we can get the Polish lads to do it far cheaper and get a better job done too

I don't think there is anyone here who can claim to be be doing a job that couldn't be done cheaper and better by somebody else from abroad.

Might do to consider that before you accuse certain professions of overcharging.

franktheplank

mikom wrote: »

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

Can I get this straight, are you comparing the 'plight' of our nurses with the plight of the socialists, trade unionists and Jews in Nazi Germany?

doolox

...is called schadenfreude a quaint German word and also not a very nice personality trait.

I have seen my industry sector torn apart and dismembered by global competition and a race to the bottom. It is now starting to happen in the Public sector with different rates of pay for new hires. This will creep into the education sector once the govt find some way of allowing foreign teachers to work here without the necessary local language (Irish) skills needed for primary school education. It is only a matter of time before junior roles in security, law enforcement, defense etc are farmed out on a europe wide basis and wages in those sectors become depressed.

Our generation will become perhaps the first to have things better than the next generation and it will probably take a reduction to a state of hunger and lack of security of the home similar to that of the 1930's to bring about a backlash and a co-ordinated fight back in the trend downwards in wages for the new working poor.

The quote about the trade unionists, then the jews, then the catholics is a call for universal solidarity across all working people in a community, ideally they should all fight together to ensure better conditions and wages for all. An attack on one sector should be seen as an attack on all. The situation in reality is that one sector is played off against the other by playing up the naturally occurring jealousies that exist in most economies purely for the benefit of the ruling elite.

mountai

Didnt think there were so many "Princes". Dont shoot the messenger, this has been flagged on lots of occasions by our new quartermasters. For a bankrupt country, to expect our EU colleagues, to continue to support such a rank system is folly .If 100k salary is deemed good enough in UK and Germany, then 180k in this country is a joke.Its time that Croke Park was consigned to the bin,and new contracts were issued that reflect the reality of today.I"m sick of hearing about our "Wonderful front line staff" ,they are no more wonderful than the rest of us , who are struggling .What about the many self employed small business people, the backbone of this country, who when things go wrong, are left out on a limb with nothing.
Many years ago, I suffered with kidney stones.During the treatment process, Xrays were often taken.Being a curious person, I inquired about every step of my treatment, and learned to read these Xrays On one occasion, I was admitted to Meath St casualty and the process began. Xrays were taken and the Consultant Radiologist (Prince!!!)informed me ,no stone was present. I questioned this and pointed out on the Xray EXACTLY where the stone was."Who are YOU to question MY PROFESSIONAL JUDGMENT" he retorted. "Im the one in pain and paying YOUR bill " was my response. He then departed in a swirl of white coat giving me a nasty look. Three hours later , I passed the stone, and left it for him in an envelope with a note that said "Naa Naa Na Naa Na" I wonder did he learn any lesson from that encounter!!!!!!!!!!!

Luca Brasi

Jimoslimos wrote: »

I don't think there is anyone here who can claim to be be doing a job that couldn't be done cheaper and better by somebody else from abroad.

Might do to consider that before you accuse certain professions of overcharging.

Just a few examples I received from Irish Tradesmen/Cleaning co.

Cleaning/shampooing carpet. Standard livingroom 20 mins work €65 quote
Fit mortice lock to front door (lock supplied by owner) 30 mins €100 (cash)
Several other maintenance jobs refused unless they were cash jobs.

These are the so called "professions" who begrudge paying a nurse €15 an hour down in A and E

Hippies!

Kylen Damp Television wrote: »

This disgraceful carry on of paying the nurses a pittance will be over turned sooner or later. Absolute joke expecting them to work for so little and the gov will have to choice but to back track.

Anyone who thinks nurses should have to work for a little over 18k a year into their hand don't deserve an opinion.

Well! Excuse me!

18k is a perfectly good wage for a graduate for a guaranteed 2 years. Sure beats the hell out of graduates in the private sector expected to work for 7.5k for a mere 9 months.

Tbh, nurses are over rated in this country and their sense of self importance and entitlement is actually worse than teachers.

Outkast_IRE

Luca Brasi wrote: »

Just a few examples I received from Irish Tradesmen/Cleaning co.

Cleaning/shampooing carpet. Standard livingroom 20 mins work €65 quote
Fit mortice lock to front door (lock supplied by owner) 30 mins €100 (cash)
Several other maintenance jobs refused unless they were cash jobs.

These are the so called "professions" who begrudge paying a nurse €15 an hour down in A and E

Ok you cant come on and give "cash" jobs as examples, these fellows arent paying tax etc and are out to make quick money and if you are availing of such services then its your own issue.

A proper tradesman, will have the correct insurance, tools, knowledge, to do the job properly. Trust me if you sat down and did the math you would see that most reputable tradesmen arent on the extraordinary money you think they are.

seven_eleven

Hippies! wrote: »

Tbh, nurses are over rated in this country and their sense of self importance and entitlement is actually worse than teachers.

Except nurses work is 10 times harder and stressfull, putting up with frequent abuse and threats, being assaulted, dealing with dangerous fluids and sharp instruments with the risk of infection, cleaning feces from the backsides of incontinent people with the mere gloved hands and wipes (and not complaining about it!), saving lives as they are wheeled into A&E strapped to a spinal board after a car crash, helping the mentally ill fight through their struggles, caring for severely disabled childeren.....the list goes on.

franktheplank

seven_eleven wrote: »

Except nurses work is 10 times harder and stressfull, putting up with frequent abuse and threats, being assaulted, dealing with dangerous fluids and sharp instruments with the risk of infection, cleaning feces from the backsides of incontinent people with the mere gloved hands and wipes (and not complaining about it!), saving lives as they are wheeled into A&E strapped to a spinal board after a car crash, helping the mentally ill fight through their struggles, caring for severely disabled childeren.....the list goes on.

Kind of sounds like complaining to me!

You'll probably find carers and care workers to a lot of the same things for a fraction of the expense.

franktheplank

franktheplank wrote: »

You'll probably find carers and care workers to a lot of the same things for a fraction of the expense.

As an example of this I worked as a carer in residential homes for the disabled for a number of years. Aside from the AE side of it, I had to deal with all of the issues you mentioned above.

I had a relevant degree but often worked side by side with nurses doing the exact same, job but they'd get paid maybe 60-70 % more flat rate.

nedzer2011

seven_eleven wrote: »

Except nurses work is 10 times harder and stressfull, putting up with frequent abuse and threats, being assaulted, dealing with dangerous fluids and sharp instruments with the risk of infection, cleaning feces from the backsides of incontinent people with the mere gloved hands and wipes (and not complaining about it!), saving lives as they are wheeled into A&E strapped to a spinal board after a car crash, helping the mentally ill fight through their struggles, caring for severely disabled childeren.....the list goes on.

Yes it's true that nurses work is tough and definitely under-appreciated...... but unless I'm mistaken, nurses chose that career path and were aware that the job contained these responsibilities?

If other graduates (who enter their chosen career path) are beginning jobs earning ~20% less than in years past, why should the nurses be any different?

Odysseus

franktheplank wrote: »

As an example of this I worked as a carer in residential homes for the disabled for a number of years. Aside from the AE side of it, I had to deal with all of the issues you mentioned above.

I had a relevant degree but often worked side by side with nurses doing the exact same, job but they'd get paid maybe 60-70 % more flat rate.

What medical roles would a nurse's job there consist of that you would not be qualified to do?

CruelCoin

mikom wrote: »

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

Then they came for the KFC, and there was left was McDonalds.

"Shudder"

mountai

I started this thread to discuss the "Prince" situation . Can you all address this topic and forget about the NURSES. The topic of Nurses has been dealt with .

Odysseus

mountai wrote: »

Three hours later , I passed the stone, and left it for him in an envelope with a note that said "Naa Naa Na Naa Na" I wonder did he learn any lesson from that encounter!!!!!!!!!!!

Did you really? I somehow don't believe it, seems like one of those internet spoofs to me.

CruelCoin

Kylen Damp Television wrote: »

Anyone who thinks nurses should have to work for a little over 18k a year into their hand don't deserve an opinion.

People who side with staff members who strike over being asked to change a lightbulb don't deserve an opinion either.

Biggins

Kylen Damp Television wrote: »

This disgraceful carry on of paying the nurses a pittance will be over turned sooner or later. Absolute joke expecting them to work for so little and the gov will have to choice but to back track.

Anyone who thinks nurses should have to work for a little over 18k a year into their hand don't deserve an opinion.

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/9270/58246440516808171131406.jpg

Enough said!

mountai

Odysseus ---- Are you calling me a liar?? . You dont have the monopoly on truth you know. For anyone interested --- its the truth!!!!!

Odysseus

mountai wrote: »

Odysseus ---- Are you calling me a liar?? . You dont have the monopoly on truth you know. For anyone interested --- its the truth!!!!!

Well I find it hard to believe, why would you not report him if he was unprofessional?

Luca Brasi

mountai wrote: »

Odysseus ---- Are you calling me a liar?? . You dont have the monopoly on truth you know. For anyone interested --- its the truth!!!!!

You cant handle the truth

MagicSean

mountai wrote: »

I started this thread to discuss the "Prince" situation . Can you all address this topic and forget about the NURSES. The topic of Nurses has been dealt with .

No you started this thread to troll and rise people.

CruelCoin wrote: »

People who side with staff members who strike over being asked to change a lightbulb don't deserve an opinion either.

Have you got a link to the story of nurses striking because they had to change a lightbulb?

humanji

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