Fringe s05e11 - The Boy Must Live [** Spoilers **]

Mr E

Fantastic.

I really wonder if they knew all those years ago what "The boy must live" really meant. Really high stakes now and I can't wait to see how it all ends. Lots of answers in this episode - we now know what the plan is and who Michael is. I have a funny feeling that I'm going to shed a tear or two in the finale

Donald is such a great character too....

The Black Oil

Mr E wrote: »

Donald is such a great character too....

More of Michael Cerveris on our screens, please.

somuj

The Black Oil wrote: »

More of Michael Cerveris on our screens, please.

"You say that as if were not carrying technology that can bend space and time into a moebius strip"

Laughed out loud at that statement

Antar Bolaeisk

Excellent episode, bit of information overload at times and that train scene was incredibly gripping!

Also, did I spy Fauxlivia in next week's preview?!

The Black Oil

Revisiting the tank was a nice nod to the pilot, (though they've used it in a few other episodes) and you had to laugh at Walter's state of undress.

The dialogue in this one was a little recap heavy, but I guess that's inevitable at this point, and I didn't think it affected the pacing.

2609, eh? I think of all the Observers Windmark has the most on screen presence.

Was a little concerned when Walter hugged Peter (the PDA, as he called it), might be signposting something.

tvnutz

Great episode, can't believe it's nearly over. The scene at the end was so tense,because the show is ending not everyone is guaranteed to survive so I didn't know what might happen.

expectationlost

is the boy really that great an improvement?

did anyone notice an incosistancy when walter was talking to donald in the garage he talke then moved forward but then showed him talking with previous position with the green door background

Antar Bolaeisk

Also, meant to say, their plan makes no sense. It's contingent upon the future happening the way it happened, a future they intend to change thus removing their ability (and need) to change it which then leads to the original future and we're back at square one. Aren't temporal paradoxes fun.

CastorTroy

Yeah, when the plan was revealed, I just thought it was a hell of a paradox.

Anyone else think Michael will cause Widmark to be overcome with emotion and break him somehow?

Olivia could see Walter was trunksless, yet she kept looking?

I forget, but did they explain what happened with the alternate universe?

2 episodes to go. Everyone watching them on Sky? I didn't see next week's preview and hopefully wil avoid seeing any ads for it on Sky as well

Yeah it's a paradox all right Maybe they'll try addressing it somehow.

KoolKid

Best episode in a long time... Roll on the finale. can't wait.

DeWitt

Antar Bolaeisk wrote: »

Excellent episode, bit of information overload at times and that train scene was incredibly gripping!

Also, did I spy Fauxlivia in next week's preview?!

Yes! I squealed quite loudly.

don ramo

walter is gone bad id say, it seemed odd when he hugged peter, it was like he playing at peter emotions, and september seemed to see something in him also and didnt seem to impressed, and also it looks like the kid also didnt want to be with him either, i think when he saw what he was like after the operation he wasnt to happy, after all he once considered himself godly, and i dont it would sit to well to find out you became a bumbling bafoon compared to who you were,

a solid episode to what im hoping is gonna be a great finale,

iguana

bluewolf wrote: »

Yeah it's a paradox all right Maybe they'll try addressing it somehow.

I actually thought Olivia got up and walked away because she was annoyed that all of the geniuses she was with had missed that pretty basic flaw in their plan.

kaimera

If the plans works then Peter doesn't die in the original timeline.

September doesn't cause Walter to miss the cure.

Cue everyone alive and well.

Cracking episode tho.

Bacchus

Awesome episode. It's just wrapping up the show so perfectly. Unlike LOST, you actually sense that they can make all the pieces of the 5 season work into one plot (as opposed to pointing at two dead bodies in a cave and saying "SEE! SEE! I told ya we knew what we were doing all along").

don ramo wrote: »

walter is gone bad id say

I disagree. I think Walter was genuine in saying what happened. He needed Peter to "save" him and by being given the memory's of his other life I think it gave him the strength to stay away from the dark side Donald did notice a difference, but not in a negative way. The tulip was a nice touch too, must go back and find out what episode that was from.

kaimera wrote: »

If the plans works then Peter doesn't die in the original timeline.

September doesn't cause Walter to miss the cure.

Cue everyone alive and well.

I actually hope this doesn't happen cos it means that pretty much the entire show never happened. All the relationships throughout the show will never have happened. Peter will never have met Olivia and had a child together (funny that they didn't realize THAT as a possibility). Who's knows what Walter would have become. Mind you, it could be done well if they do a sort of epilogue of the lives they all go on to have without each other. Kind of a bittersweet 'they saved the world but will never know it' ending. I suspect though it will just reset to that moment in the park where the Observers arrive. It's all about getting their daughter back and that can't happen if the reset goes as far back as Walter saving Peter's life. Oh timel travel, thou art a heartless b*tch.

TwoShedsJackson

Bacchus wrote: »

I actually hope this doesn't happen cos it means that pretty much the entire show never happened.

I saw a similar criticism levelled at The Usual Suspects and I don't really get it. It hasn't happened anyway, it's a TV show If they wrap it up well, you still got all the episodes, whether it 'never happened' doesn't really have any bearing on it.

don ramo

kaimera wrote: »

September doesn't cause Walter to miss the cure.

Cue everyone alive and well..

yeah but then peter would be cured by walternate, hes the one who found the cure, meaning he never comes over here, and probably has a kid with altivia, so etta will never have existed,

Antar Bolaeisk

What I'm hoping is that Michael realised it was a rubbish plan and has gone off to implement his own instead.

Bacchus

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

I saw a similar criticism levelled at The Usual Suspects and I don't really get it. It hasn't happened anyway, it's a TV show If they wrap it up well, you still got all the episodes, whether it 'never happened' doesn't really have any bearing on it.

It's about the emotional pay off at the end though. We've followed these characters for 5 years and a reset, wiping them from the TV universe would be quite hollow. They could still do a complete reset and make it work, but only if the characters are aware of the consequences... i.e. Peter and Olivia realising they'll never meet. Walter realising his fate is up in air... will he spend his life in St. Annes, will he loose Peter all over again. They deal with that but make the sacrifice anyway. However, it seems that they (the characters) think it'll just reset back to when the Observers invaded. If that is the case, I think is a much harder scenario to pull an emotional ending out of since they are all happy about it and are sacrificing nothing since everything is reset to a time when they are all happy. In which case this entire season ultimately doesn't happen in the Fringe universe.

If they (the characters) are wrong though and it does end up being a complete reset then, we get a bit of a kick in gut cos they didn't get the outcome they wanted... but then, none of this happened so they are none the wiser.

I'm thinking about this way too much

kaimera

If they (the characters) are wrong though and it does end up being a complete reset then, we get a bit of a kick in gut cos they didn't get the outcome they wanted... but then, none of this happened so they are none the wiser.

Exactly what I'm thinking.

But time travel and such always has different laws and whatnot, but I just can't see how wiping out the observers wouldn't affect the past given all the interfering September did.

Still one of the best shows on tv none the less, and I do hope the double episode finale isn't some easy cop out. I want to be shocked or surprised!

don ramo

it will most likely be bittersweet, the observers will be stopped, but at a cost to the team, i still think walter will betray them, but come good at the last minute and sacrifice himself, either that or peter will be forced to stop him,

i think peter and olivia will just get to live out their lives happy in the fact that they saved humanity from a bleak soulless future, but it will have cost them everything including etta,

i have no idea what poor astrid is gonna do though, the poor girl has noone, at least peter, walter and oliva have each other,

ziggy

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CastorTroy

Yeah was thinking the same. Send Michael to the future, he turns up in the future and if he isn't killed, or put in a home for homeless kids, he has to be found by the right people who will then have to examine him and not be tempted to learn from him. Maybe Michael was the catalyst for creating the device in order to try and be more like him.

Antar Bolaeisk

Antar Bolaeisk wrote: »

What I'm hoping is that Michael realised it was a rubbish plan and has gone off to implement his own instead.

Laughing out loud at that

Malari

I thought Olivia got up and walked away because she was uncomfortable with sending Michael into the future to become a world-saving guinea pig.

Antar Bolaeisk

Malari wrote: »

I thought Olivia got up and walked away because she was uncomfortable with sending Michael into the future to become a world-saving guinea pig.

No, it's okay for her to sacrifice someone else's child for the possibility that she might get hers back.

Malari

Antar Bolaeisk wrote: »

No, it's okay for her to sacrifice someone else's child for the possibility that she might get hers back.

Tut! Selfish parent :rolleyes::p

Considering her own childhood I thought she might not be comfortable with the plan...

gnfnrhead

Time travel is so confusing. If Michael goes to the future and the plan goes off as explained, that means the observers dont exist, which means September doesnt exist, which means Michael doesnt exist. If Michael no longer exists, does the plan still work? So glad I saved episodes so I can find out now

Antar Bolaeisk

Not to mention would the scientists even exist in the future after the drastic changes the observers made to the present.