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I'm buying a 406 Coupe

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  • 04-01-2013 2:27am
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    Registered Users Posts: 2,234 ✭✭✭


    So, the time has come to buy my first car (I have 5+ years experience on my parents with full license).

    After considering a MKV Golf GTi for some time i'm now moving back a bit and considering a 406 Coupe.

    My main reasons are that it will cost a lot less outright but should still have a bit of poke and be somewhat comfortable and stylish.

    Now, I know there are many French car haters around so i'm not asking if I should buy. It's not going to cost huge money so if I have some hassle here and there it's not the end of the world. I must also say that I won't have to rely on this car so I can park it for a while to get fixed etc.

    I'm really looking for advice on what to look out for when buying, questions to ask etc.

    Also, if buying something cheap (<= €1000) is this a bad idea. I don't mind forking out a lump of cash to fix a major problem to get on the road if the car is otherwise decent. For example, i've heard the exhaust system can rot and fail NCT on emissions. I have been quoted €700 for a completely new re-fit from a Peugeot garage. That, I wouldn't mind for a €1k car.

    A major concern of mine is the electronics. Can these be troubleshot and fixed relatively cheaply?

    Any input welcome,

    Thanks.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,985 ✭✭✭✭dgt


    Where's Row... :)

    What engine you looking? D8 or D9?

    Usual stuff like are the wheels at the back lying out, is there a clonk from the front going over bumps, do all the electrics work, has it received all the servicing it needs etc. Try to get one with leather, sumptuous leather :D All coupés had a strut brace too :)

    These cars are awkward to work on but by no means difficult or expensive to maintain

    Edit: there were special editions of these cars too. Example below is the Nautilius edition, recognised by it's unique wheels
    Nautilus.jpg


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,616 ✭✭✭ba_barabus


    the only 406 coupe you should consider

    http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4333150


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,631 ✭✭✭Aint Eazy Being Cheezy


    Your mind appears made up but personally I wouldn't touch a 10+ year old french car with a barge pole especially if you can afford better


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 114 ✭✭brenn7475


    Your mind appears made up but personally I wouldn't touch a 10+ year old french car with a barge pole especially if you can afford better


    Johnny is right. Being in car sales for many years they are just a nightmare to deal with. They are plagued with electrical issues due to very poor components. Anyone I know with french cars have told me that they have forked out hundreds of €€€'s on their cars mainly down to electrical problems.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,234 ✭✭✭techguy


    dgt wrote: »
    Where's Row... :)

    What engine you looking? D8 or D9?

    Usual stuff like are the wheels at the back lying out, is there a clonk from the front going over bumps, do all the electrics work, has it received all the servicing it needs etc. Try to get one with leather, sumptuous leather :D All coupés had a strut brace too :)

    These cars are awkward to work on but by no means difficult or expensive to maintain

    I'm looking at the 2.0 petrol (137BHP). I wouldn't touch a diesel tbh. Only really considering an SE spec. I'd really only change for an immaculate black one. Loves the black one!

    What's your opinion on faulty electrics? Repairable or walk?
    ba_barabus wrote: »
    the only 406 coupe you should consider

    http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4333150

    I'm trying hard to resist. I'd stomach the high insurance for year one and the low MPG. But the tax wouldn't take long to pi$$ me off!

    My friend is selling the V6 in Tipperary, it's a fine example in great shape.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,234 ✭✭✭techguy


    brenn7475 wrote: »
    Johnny is right. Being in car sales for many years they are just a nightmare to deal with. They are plagued with electrical issues due to very poor components. Anyone I know with french cars have told me that they have forked out hundreds of €€€'s on their cars mainly down to electrical problems.

    Thanks for the feedback, I am aware of the issues with electrics and it's something i'm willing to gamble on. To be honest I think i'll probably pickup a coupe for about €800-1000 and if that's the case, I wouldn't mind paying a few hundred quid on electrics in the next year or two. As long as it didn't run into thousands.

    If I need to fork out largely on repairs during ownership i'll simply hold it for an extra year, then it'll pay for the repairs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,985 ✭✭✭✭dgt


    techguy wrote: »
    I'm looking at the 2.0 petrol (137BHP). I wouldn't touch a diesel tbh. Only really considering an SE spec. I'd really only change for an immaculate black one. Loves the black one!

    What's your opinion on faulty electrics? Repairable or walk?

    If I were getting a Coupé myself, I'd be hankering after a 2.2HDi :D:D:D

    Faulty electrics? I'll let you decide... :(



    My car has a mechanical diesel pump, yet the electrics still affected it till I got round to rewiring it myself :rolleyes:


    Electrics are not nice when they don't work. I've pretty much given up with this car and learned to live with it's fickle windows :mad:

    I find though with my car, I don't want to drive it hard, I drive it for the sake of driving it. I find more often I'll hop in, put on the radio and go for a spin, sometimes 300 miles in 1 night :) It's a nice place to be, seats are so comfortable, quiet inside (no rattles or squeaks from the dash), no urge to race it or hammer it into corners, it prefers to soak up the bumps :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 114 ✭✭brenn7475


    techguy wrote: »
    Thanks for the feedback, I am aware of the issues with electrics and it's something i'm willing to gamble on. To be honest I think i'll probably pickup a coupe for about €800-1000 and if that's the case, I wouldn't mind paying a few hundred quid on electrics in the next year or two. As long as it didn't run into thousands.

    If I need to fork out largely on repairs during ownership i'll simply hold it for an extra year, then it'll pay for the repairs.


    Not even electrics techguy.... I mean for example a friend of mine has a 2003 Clio that has been relatively well driven by himself. And honest to god the car has been a disaster. 2003.83K And in the last two years he's spent about €1k on it. Basically because he's no choice at the moment to keep it on the road I'm using the a Renualt as an example sure. But they all use the same parts. I've worked in a Peugeot dealership and they all suffer the same issues. The 406 Couple is a nice looking car granted. But as with any car with "coupe" on the back it going to have been driving harder than most. It would have been bought for this specific reason. Have a look around and see what else is out there. I know the money is good on it but please there are better quality motors out there.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,234 ✭✭✭techguy


    brenn7475 wrote: »
    Not even electrics techguy.... I mean for example a friend of mine has a 2003 Clio that has been relatively well driven by himself. And honest to god the car has been a disaster. 2003.83K And in the last two years he's spent about €1k on it. Basically because he's no choice at the moment to keep it on the road I'm using the a Renualt as an example sure. But they all use the same parts. I've worked in a Peugeot dealership and they all suffer the same issues. The 406 Couple is a nice looking car granted. But as with any car with "coupe" on the back it going to have been driving harder than most. It would have been bought for this specific reason. Have a look around and see what else is out there. I know the money is good on it but please there are better quality motors out there.

    Thanks brenn, I know what your saying. I'm not a gambling man and generally, don't take chances but there's something in me telling me to buy this car and see if I can get 2 years out of it.If I pay a grand or less for one I really have no problem putting another grand into it over a year or two.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭Nonoperational


    Electrics are one thing that can drive you mad very quickly. You could spend hours looking for something and be none the wiser.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 114 ✭✭brenn7475


    techguy wrote: »
    Thanks brenn, I know what your saying. I'm not a gambling man and generally, don't take chances but there's something in me telling me to buy this car and see if I can get 2 years out of it.If I pay a grand or less for one I really have no problem putting another grand into it over a year or two.


    No worries Tech

    If you feel it's the car for you then go for it. Just make sure you go over ever inch before buying. Google every review on the 406 coupe that you can. Make a check-list.

    Firstly...

    Start the car up...Any noises? Ignition/ Starter/
    What does the car smell like inside? Lift all the mats if any? hands on the carpets for dampness? Seats? Boot take the spare wheel out and water underneath. With it's electrical reputation you don't need leaks with this one Bring a high density torch. Wheel arches /Exhaust / Calipers/ etc

    Run the car is the heater working? what does it smell like?

    Check everything electrical push all the buttons. You know yourself.

    Best of luck.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,234 ✭✭✭techguy


    Would it be any use getting an OBDII diag tool and bringing my laptop?

    Would it help identify any deeper electrical issues?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 114 ✭✭brenn7475


    techguy wrote: »
    Would it be any use getting an OBDII diag tool and bringing my laptop?

    Would it help identify any deeper electrical issues?

    It would be no harm.

    If the engine management light on it will give you a fault code alright.

    Ignitions problems are the big one's to look out for.

    Finicky things like windows/indicator switches be on the look out.

    Here is a good source http://www.406oc.co.uk/index.php?sid=da64cd74a04bb86c97930f4878a502ba


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    brenn7475 wrote: »
    But as with any car with "coupe" on the back it going to have been driving harder than most. It would have been bought for this specific reason.

    Oh, baloney. The 406 coupe was never a powerful or sporty car, unless you bought the V6. The 2.0 is just a pretty cruiser. Coupes are not bought by performance nuts, they are bought by people who like a pretty car and don't need 4 doors.


  • Registered Users Posts: 275 ✭✭Dow99


    Hey Techguy...
    As a previous owner of a 406 coupe I make sure you really are getting a well looked after and maintained car.
    This car broke my heart as for years I craved to have one. It was one thing after another that went wrong. In the 2 years I had one. I had the following problems.

    Rad leak,
    Oil Leak,
    Window regulator broke,
    New exhaust need,
    Clutch replaced
    Seatbelt warning light did not turn off.
    Airbag warning light would not work.
    Expensive on tax,
    and beast for drinking petrol.

    That said, they are a beautiful car and I would always get compliments in petrol stations and at traffic lights.
    I ended up selling it to a guy who approached me while I was waiting for my wife at the train station,,,, I was glad to see the back off it....


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,106 ✭✭✭pcardin


    Dow99 wrote: »
    Hey Techguy...
    As a previous owner of a 406 coupe I make sure you really are getting a well looked after and maintained car.
    This car broke my heart as for years I craved to have one. It was one thing after another that went wrong. In the 2 years I had one. I had the following problems.

    Rad leak,
    Oil Leak,
    Window regulator broke,
    New exhaust need,
    Clutch replaced
    Seatbelt warning light did not turn off.
    Airbag warning light would not work.
    Expensive on tax,
    and beast for drinking petrol.
    That said, they are a beautiful car and I would always get compliments in petrol stations and at traffic lights.
    I ended up selling it to a guy who approached me while I was waiting for my wife at the train station,,,, I was glad to see the back off it....

    ah common...all these can happen and happens with any car make :confused:

    I had two 406 coupes in my life. First was V6 3liter automatic in Germany and then 2 liter here in Ireland. Appart from window sensor (responsible for lowering door glass by few cm before door is opened) which seems a common enough issue I did not encounter any other electric related issues. 2 liter is not really fast but it is definitely not a "beast of drinking petrol" in fact I would say it was one of the most economical 2 liter petrol engines I ever owned. Even 3 liter didn't had heavy drinking problems altought it preffered Super Unleaded (E98) better.
    I had two of them in my life and still consider to get another one at some stage. For me 406 Coupe is still one of the most beautiful cars from late 90's ealry 00's.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,520 ✭✭✭Tea 1000


    The 406 Coupe are a nice car alright. But check every single electric component before buying. Bring your OBD scan tool too to check, sometimes bulbs can be taken out of warning lights!
    But not every French car will fail horribly, and if it's all working after 10 years then there's every chance you'll get another 2 out of it.
    I would consider the diesel though, as I've driven the 3 litre V6 and it's quite disappointing. Nice enough sound, but not a very quick car at all.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,106 ✭✭✭pcardin


    Tea 1000 wrote: »
    I would consider the diesel though, as I've driven the 3 litre V6 and it's quite disappointing. Nice enough sound, but not a very quick car at all.

    I would agree on this. Not particulary quick or powerful (205hp). But V6 here in Ireland probably wouldn't be a normal choice anyway due to heavy motor tax.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 114 ✭✭brenn7475


    Oh, baloney. The 406 coupe was never a powerful or sporty car, unless you bought the V6. The 2.0 is just a pretty cruiser. Coupes are not bought by performance nuts, they are bought by people who like a pretty car and don't need 4 doors.


    oh c'mon at this stage of any 406 coupe's life ....lay off...it's true


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,863 ✭✭✭RobAMerc


    I will give an opinion as other than the reliability of the car which seems to be the only measure used on boards.....

    The 2 litre is sadly underpowered and you'll know it within 10 miles of your first drive, but if you can live with that then there may be no point in spending more than the car is worth on tax with the 3 litre. The newer ones will most likely be diesel and I honestly don't know much about them many here will tell you about them - otherwise the engine is used in multiple cars so you should be easily be able to find an online review of it.

    As for chassis as ever the French manage what so many others don't seem to be able to, a fine blend of driving dynamics coupled with a very comfortable refined ride. ( dont kow if this still holds true of the French ).
    It isn't the very best handling car but it is competent enough to encourage you to have some confidence in it and its all the time so smooth your passengers wont even realise you've been pushing on till they get there early.

    Inside is a nice place to be too - nice soft plastics ( not all ), seems fairly well put together ( queue 50 comments about electrics ) and as someone else pointed out the leather is sumptuous and comfortable.

    Some things that annoyed me - the gear box seems more suited to a truck than a coupe with really long lever and an excruciating long throw and the engine as well as being down on power has very little torque meaning you have to stir that stick a lot to keep it moving.

    no more time really - if you want actual opinions find a proper motoring forum. If you want a broad taring of everything bar the Toyota Corolla or Skoda Octavia as unreliable sh1te - come to boards


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,520 ✭✭✭Tea 1000


    RobAMerc wrote: »
    I will give an opinion as other than the reliability of the car which seems to be the only measure used on boards.....

    The 2 litre is sadly underpowered and you'll know it within 10 miles of your first drive, but if you can live with that then there may be no point in spending more than the car is worth on tax with the 3 litre. The newer ones will most likely be diesel and I honestly don't know much about them many here will tell you about them - otherwise the engine is used in multiple cars so you should be easily be able to find an online review of it.

    As for chassis as ever the French manage what so many others don't seem to be able to, a fine blend of driving dynamics coupled with a very comfortable refined ride. ( dont kow if this still holds true of the French ).
    It isn't the very best handling car but it is competent enough to encourage you to have some confidence in it and its all the time so smooth your passengers wont even realise you've been pushing on till they get there early.

    Inside is a nice place to be too - nice soft plastics ( not all ), seems fairly well put together ( queue 50 comments about electrics ) and as someone else pointed out the leather is sumptuous and comfortable.

    Some things that annoyed me - the gear box seems more suited to a truck than a coupe with really long lever and an excruciating long throw and the engine as well as being down on power has very little torque meaning you have to stir that stick a lot to keep it moving.

    no more time really - if you want actual opinions find a proper motoring forum. If you want a broad taring of everything bar the Toyota Corolla or Skoda Octavia as unreliable sh1te - come to boards
    Yep, hard to argue with any of that. I've not driven the 2 litre (at least I don't remember driving one), but seeing as I found the 3 litre to be sadly lacking any kind of oomph that I was expecting then I would take a look at the diesel because the high torque at low revs would better suit the more relaxed setup of the chassis and car in general. I think the 2.2 (which was 136bhp) was actually reliable enough, it was in the 607 too, but the 607 really was dogged with electrical issues. The Coupe actually wasn't too bad.
    Unfortunately, while RobaMerc is right regarding the French cars and their balance between chassis competence and comfort, sadly that seems to have dwindled over the last 10 years. The 405 was ahead of it's time in terms of ability and comfort, the 406 was also excellent, but if memory serves I think the 406 Coupe was actually set up more for comfort than the saloon as they aimed it as a kind of Grand Tourer car. Can't remember correctly, but either way, it does certainly feel more of a GT than sporty coupe.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,451 ✭✭✭blastman


    It's not a sporty drive definitely, but stick in in 5th and you can comfortably go from 35km/h all the way to motorway cruising speed and beyond with minimal effort. Outside the city, you need never change gear at all.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,234 ✭✭✭techguy


    Thanks guys some great input.

    @dgt Thanks for the videos. Really drives home what people mean when they talk about dodgy electrics. Could actually be anything at all.

    Do any of the Coupes have multiplex wiring and if so when did it come in?

    I'm currently looking at OBDII tools. Here is one that i'm looking at and here's another.

    What is the difference in the devices? Do some devices report more than others are is that all down to the software? Is the bundled software sufficient or do I need to fork out for better stuff separately?

    What one would you buy? I don't really know about these eBay €10 jobs, I want one I can trust.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,985 ✭✭✭✭dgt


    techguy wrote: »
    Thanks guys some great input.

    @dgt Thanks for the videos. Really drives home what people mean when they talk about dodgy electrics. Could actually be anything at all.

    Do any of the Coupes have multiplex wiring and if so when did it come in?

    No problem, just remember that is an older, simpler car too. Tread with caution hence why I said make sure all electrics work!

    Assuming you are after a D9, beware of any elec gremlins caused by the BSI connectors under the carpet. Poor design means that sometimes water will short it out causing all sorts of fun! :(

    Multiplex came in circa 2001 ish. Easy to tell apart, just look at the stalks, pre multiplex has the older thin stalks, multiplex has chunky modern stalks

    Pre multiplex
    Peugeot%20406%20Coupe%20Auto%20Wiper%20Stalk%2097-01.jpg
    Peugeot%20406%20Indicator%20Stalk%20With%20Horn%2097-01.jpg

    Multiplex
    6239q3.jpeg
    155440233.jpg


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,234 ✭✭✭techguy


    dgt wrote: »
    Multiplex came in circa 2001 ish. Easy to tell apart, just look at the stalks, pre multiplex has the older thin stalks, multiplex has chunky modern stalks

    Ok, so are you saying that a 2001 Coupe could be one or the other? If that is the case would you prefer multiplex on multiplex?

    I'm guessing non multiplex would be better as it would be easier to troubleshoot simple faults like switches and hack them back to life?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,985 ✭✭✭✭dgt


    techguy wrote: »
    Ok, so are you saying that a 2001 Coupe could be one or the other? If that is the case would you prefer multiplex on multiplex?

    I'm guessing non multiplex would be better as it would be easier to troubleshoot simple faults like switches and hack them back to life?

    It's hit and miss, only way to tell is by the stalks.

    I can't see very well but this one looks to have the chunky stalks, therefore it's a multiplex setup.

    From experience of my own 406, I stayed with the D8. Less electrical nonsense!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,234 ✭✭✭techguy


    dgt wrote: »
    It's hit and miss, only way to tell is by the stalks.

    Lovely, another variable in my equation for a suitable Coupe. :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,985 ✭✭✭✭dgt


    techguy wrote: »
    Lovely, another variable in my equation for a suitable Coupe. :pac:

    Change was circa 2001. Better explained way to tell the difference

    Multiplex
    Peugeot%20206%20Radio%20Control%20Stalk%2002-09.jpg

    Pre multiplex
    $T2eC16N,!y8E9s2filutBQTKBW13ug~~60_35.JPG


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    I'd a friend who bought one of these when they were new, God it was gorgeous.

    Still see the odd one and love them.

    Weren't they designed by Pinninfarina?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,234 ✭✭✭techguy


    Stheno wrote: »
    I'd a friend who bought one of these when they were new, God it was gorgeous.

    Still see the odd one and love them.

    Weren't they designed by Pinninfarina?

    Yes they were, I think their still a smashing looking car. :)


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