13 passat comfortline,met paint-lowest price

digzy

I'm gonna buy one of these straight. I got a quote of 28400 from hogan in limerick and 27700 from pierses in tipp. Does anyone have any idea whats the lowest price i could hope to pay for this car?

Drummerboy08

You could hope to pay nothing for it, but that's about as educated a guess you could hope for in this thread.

Just ring every dealer around and find out.

digzy

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

You could hope to pay nothing for it, but that's about as educated a guess you could hope for in this thread.

Just ring every dealer around and find out.[/QUOTE]


Surprisingly enough that occured to me but i said i'd try here as an easier option:rolleyes:

I've been offered a sand colour one for 26900 at the moment!

listermint

digzy wrote: »

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

You could hope to pay nothing for it, but that's about as educated a guess you could hope for in this thread.

Just ring every dealer around and find out.[/QUOTE]


Surprisingly enough that occured to me but i said i'd try here as an easier option:rolleyes:

I've been offered a sand colour one for 26900 at the moment!

Why are we dealers ?

Your rolls eyes shows how insane that comment was. :rolleyes:

miller50841

Go in cash in hand and they will never let you go:D

colm_mcm

digzy wrote: »

Why are we dealers ?

Your rolls eyes shows how insane that comment was. :rolleyes:

There may be someone else pricing the same car who has gotten a good price.

listermint

colm_mcm wrote: »

listermint wrote: »

There may be someone else pricing the same car who has gotten a good price.

Sorry colm, the question was what is the best price i can get. Not has anyone looked at this model?

It was a direct dealer question that im pretty sure no one in ireland can answer unless you do a bit of finger walking on the phone. Even then theyd want you to pop in for a chat.

mickdw

I would have asked the same question here if in the ops position. I would have thought the fleet guys would have an idea of rock bottom price and I could then work from there. Ringing dealers doesnt work or at lesst didnt the last time I was buying new in 08. they all insist on speaking face to face. One guy said he never sold a car on the phone so wasnt going to get down to numbers.

delthedriver

Surely ten per cent discount off list price for cash , straight deal?

colm_mcm

delthedriver wrote: »

Surely ten per cent discount off list price for cash , straight deal?

How did you arrive at 10%?

R.O.R

colm_mcm wrote: »

How did you arrive at 10%?

Finger in the air or the man down the pub said so?
In this case though, he's probably not too far out. 10% off ex. Works plus delivery would be a very good deal, but with new stuff not selling then the dealer may go that far.

I'd aim for 10% and try to get as close as possible.

digzy

listermint wrote: »

digzy wrote: »

Why are we dealers ?

Your rolls eyes shows how insane that comment was. :rolleyes:

So I'm insane for posting a reasonable question on a free anonymous internet forum about a reasonably popular car, on the chance that there MAY be one or two posters who're in the business of selling these or has purchased one? good man:D
As has been stated by others, dealers insist on face to face when discussing price/ haggling. So should I infer that you're suggesting I spend a week driving about the country to all the vw dealers? Dunno what you'd do but i've better things to do with my time-then again maybe i'm insane:rolleyes:

digzy

I was told yesterday that there's a 're-declared' model which are the pre-budget ones. They have bluetooth as an option. The ones after the budget have the bluetooth as standard. Quote for a beige one is 26900-redeclared model with bluetooth fitted, or 27300 for the 'newer' one. Think it's a no brainer if the redeclared one is available.

delthedriver

colm_mcm wrote: »

How did you arrive at 10%?

30 years of motoring and car buying experience!

delthedriver

digzy wrote: »

I'm gonna buy one of these straight. I got a quote of 28400 from hogan in limerick and 27700 from pierses in tipp. Does anyone have any idea whats the lowest price i could hope to pay for this car?

Worth trying Al Hayes in Portumna. A couple of friends in Limerick Tipp area bought from Hayes with savings over Hogan's price. may also be worth giving Newcastle West Autos who are main Vw Dealers.
Not much point if you go to Donegal to buy a car , bearing in mind car will need servicing , and possible warranty issues dealt with.

repsol

delthedriver wrote: »

Worth trying Al Hayes in Portumna. A couple of friends in Limerick Tipp area bought from Hayes with savings over Hogan's price. may also be worth giving Newcastle West Autos who are main Vw Dealers.
Not much point if you go to Donegal to buy a car , bearing in mind car will need servicing , and possible warranty issues dealt with.

Any VW dealer will service the car and is obliged to carry out warranty work regardless of where it was purchased

bazz26

OP, have you looked at all the alternatives out there, €27k will buy you alot of car these days:

High spec Mazda 6:

http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Mazda/Mazda6/Sport-SE/30913535069296050/
Good deals on this model 6 now that the new more expensive model has launched. Very nice to drive too.

Hyundai i40:

http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Hyundai/i40/1.7-CRDI/413268777504460/
Good value for money, well equipped and has a 5 year unlimited mileage warranty.

delthedriver

R.O.R wrote: »

Finger in the air or the man down the pub said so?
In this case though, he's probably not too far out. 10% off ex. Works plus delivery would be a very good deal, but with new stuff not selling then the dealer may go that far.

I'd aim for 10% and try to get as close as possible.

No the man in the pub did not tell me so. In the current climate I would accept nothing less than ten per cent. in my motoring lifetime I have achieved as much as thirteen per cent.
Dealers had it very easy during the boom, and became order takers rather than salesmen. To get a ten per cent discount off the list price should be achieveable, and still leave the Dealer with some profit
It is a buyers market. A straight deal with no car to sell on , Dealer should be delighted to see a punter walking into the showroom with a wallet full of cash.
Remember there are other Dealers out there. I suspect Hogan's figure was plucked from the air!

delthedriver

repsol wrote: »

Any VW dealer will service the car and is obliged to carry out warranty work regardless of where it was purchased

Agree with your comment, though from experience ,obligations and actually getting the work done are different things

delthedriver

bazz26 wrote: »

OP, have you looked at all the alternatives out there, €27k will buy you alot of car these days:

High spec Mazda 6:

http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Mazda/Mazda6/Sport-SE/30913535069296050/
Good deals on this model 6 now that the new more expensive model has launched. Very nice to drive too.

Hyundai i40:

http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Hyundai/i40/1.7-CRDI/413268777504460/
Good value for money, well equipped and has a 5 year unlimited mileage warranty.

Agree with Bazz, well worth having a look at other Manufacturers offerings too.
The Mazda 6 is a new model and the Hyundai I 40 has been on the road for 12 months. The Passat is essentially a repmobile and the model has been around since 2005 with minor face lifting in 2010.

I certainly would not pass with my dosh without making the VW Dealer work for his money, if that is the car you really want. Seriously have a look at the other two cars also.

digzy

delthedriver wrote: »

Agree with your comment, though from experience ,obligations and actually getting the work done are different things

Thats why if I can i'm gonna deal with the one closest to me. I cant imagine that one can be too far off another. Some difference from hogans first quote of 28400. I was onto pierses today and I've a feeling I should be able to clinch it for 27k. Even if they were 2-300 more expensive i'd nearly go with them to avoid the hassle of driving too far for services or if there's a problem.

I've a lexus thats given awful hassle this year and it's some pain getting someone to drive me to cork to the dealer, then driving me back again-never again would ibuy a 'premium car':mad:

delthedriver

digzy wrote: »

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

You could hope to pay nothing for it, but that's about as educated a guess you could hope for in this thread.

Just ring every dealer around and find out.[/QUOTE]


Surprisingly enough that occured to me but i said i'd try here as an easier option:rolleyes:

I've been offered a sand colour one for 26900 at the moment!

The sand/ beige colour is nondescript. Colour is important , particularly when you wish to sell on or trade in. Sorry , I appreciate colour is a matter of personal choice, however you don't want the Dealers Donkey! Also worth checking the car' interior colour.

delthedriver

digzy wrote: »

Thats why if I can i'm gonna deal with the one closest to me. I cant imagine that one can be too far off another. Some difference from hogans first quote of 28400. I was onto pierses today and I've a feeling I should be able to clinch it for 27k. Even if they were 2-300 more expensive i'd nearly go with them to avoid the hassle of driving too far for services or if there's a problem.

I've a lexus thats given awful hassle this year and it's some pain getting someone to drive me to cork to the dealer, then driving me back again-never again would ibuy a 'premium car':mad:

Agree , premium cars can have their problems. Bit like living with a Supermodel Girlfriend! My advice is to try and deal with a dealer with less than 1 hour travel time. If you are in Limerick this gives you quite a few options, Pierses, Al Hayes Portumna and Borrisokane, NewcastleWest Autos .For what it is worth have had Passats in my fleet over the years, 2006 , 2008 models were not trouble free. Happy Motoring

Drummerboy08

delthedriver wrote: »

No the man in the pub did not tell me so. In the current climate I would accept nothing less than ten per cent. in my motoring lifetime I have achieved as much as thirteen per cent.
Dealers had it very easy during the boom, and became order takers rather than salesmen. To get a ten per cent discount off the list price should be achieveable, and still leave the Dealer with some profit
It is a buyers market. A straight deal with no car to sell on , Dealer should be delighted to see a punter walking into the showroom with a wallet full of cash.
Remember there are other Dealers out there. I suspect Hogan's figure was plucked from the air!

Here's a nice little project so.

Try and get 10% off a new Audi. Or BMW. Or landrover.

If you can get it PM me because I'll buy ten from you.

It'll be very tough to get 10% off a VW also, but not impossible. I'd wait until mid March to try as dealers will be trying to hit first quarter targets.

lomb

In the UK theres drive the deal where it seems that money off is computerised and checkable without exerting any effort. I think 7% is a good target to aim for.
Off more interest literally is whether rrps are negotiable with regard to manufacturer pcps which have low teaser rates. As these are on undiscounted prices surely the APRs quoted are not accurate.

repsol

delthedriver wrote: »

Agree with Bazz, well worth having a look at other Manufacturers offerings too.
The Mazda 6 is a new model and the Hyundai I 40 has been on the road for 12 months. The Passat is essentially a repmobile and the model has been around since 2005 with minor face lifting in 2010.

I certainly would not pass with my dosh without making the VW Dealer work for his money, if that is the car you really want. Seriously have a look at the other two cars also.

The Mazda 6 shown is NOT the new model and will be obsolete the day it goes on the road.Any saving made will be lost when you try and resell it.The new Mazda is light years ahead of the outgoing model and will be more expensive to purchase but could cost the same over its lifetime.

R.O.R

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Here's a nice little project so.

Try and get 10% off a new Audi. Or BMW. Or landrover.

If you can get it PM me because I'll buy ten from you.

It'll be very tough to get 10% off a VW also, but not impossible. I'd wait until mid March to try as dealers will be trying to hit first quarter targets.

You beat me to it.

I'd guess in his 30 years of experience he's probably bought up to 15 brand new cars. That would be a fairly busy week I suppose....

delthedriver

R.O.R wrote: »

You beat me to it.

I'd guess in his 30 years of experience he's probably bought up to 15 brand new cars. That would be a fairly busy week I suppose....

Thank you for the offer of a project, however I have enough projects at the moment. You could not afford my fees

If you cannot get ten per cent discount off the models you are looking for, there is something amiss, you are not negotiating hard enough or.............price fixing? There are laws against that.

Also I can confirm that I have bought a lot more than 15 brand new cars.

Good luck with your project. Perhaps it is a project you can join forces on.

Best Wishes,

Sincerely

CiniO

digzy wrote: »

I'm gonna buy one of these straight. I got a quote of 28400 from hogan in limerick and 27700 from pierses in tipp. Does anyone have any idea whats the lowest price i could hope to pay for this car?

OP it won't be 13 passat.
It will be 131 passat

Drummerboy08

delthedriver wrote: »

Thank you for the offer of a project, however I have enough projects at the moment. You could not afford my fees

If you cannot get ten per cent discount off the models you are looking for, there is something amiss, you are not negotiating hard enough or.............price fixing? There are laws against that.

Also I can confirm that I have bought a lot more than 15 brand new cars.

Good luck with your project. Perhaps it is a project you can join forces on.

Best Wishes,

Sincerely

The reason you won't get ten percent off these cars is because there isn't even ten percent margin for a dealer.

How can you give what you don't have?

Stick to buying cars on Gran Turismo or wherever you buy them because I can promise you I know better than you on this subject.

robertxxx

Wow somebody buying new!

delthedriver

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

The reason you won't get ten percent off these cars is because there isn't even ten percent margin for a dealer.

How can you give what you don't have?

Stick to buying cars on Gran Turismo or wherever you buy them because I can promise you I know better than you on this subject.

Thank you.
You are entitled to your opinnion
If the Dealers Margin is less than ten per cent we can expect more Dealers go to the Wall !
Stick to playing the drums!

lifer_sean

delthedriver wrote: »

Thank you.
You are entitled to your opinnion
If the Dealers Margin is less than ten per cent we can expect more Dealers go to the Wall !
Stick to playing the drums!

Dealer margins are never very large, and are with respect to full list price. They never get to keep all the margin ... it would be very rare for dealers to get full retail price. Much of the margin is usually passed on to the buyer as increased trade-in allowance or straight sale discount (per OP's question). I have seen other dealers sell new cars at a loss, for example to hold a local customer, or to meet a target for a rebate. I quoted on two new landcruisers before Christmas, and another dealer took the business at less than 1% margin.

As regards Drummerboy and ROR, if I remember correctly these two guys are in the car leasing business, so pricing new Passats is their daily job. I would be very surprised if they did not have a good idea of the best price achievable on any new car. Personally, I'd listen to what they had to say.

repsol

lifer_sean wrote: »

Dealer margins are never very large, and are with respect to full list price. They never get to keep all the margin ... it would be very rare for dealers to get full retail price. Much of the margin is usually passed on to the buyer as increased trade-in allowance or straight sale discount (per OP's question). I have seen other dealers sell new cars at a loss, for example to hold a local customer, or to meet a target for a rebate. I quoted on two new landcruisers before Christmas, and another dealer took the business at less than 1% margin.

As regards Drummerboy and ROR, if I remember correctly these two guys are in the car leasing business, so pricing new Passats is their daily job. I would be very surprised if they did not have a good idea of the best price achievable on any new car. Personally, I'd listen to what they had to say.

Exactly.Dealers also pre register cars just to qualify for a rebate if they are just short of target.If the margins being spoken of were available there would not be so many closing down.

digzy

lifer_sean wrote: »

As regards Drummerboy and ROR, if I remember correctly these two guys are in the car leasing business, so pricing new Passats is their daily job. I would be very surprised if they did not have a good idea of the best price achievable on any new car.

Perhaps they might be able to assist with the opening question of the thread?

delthedriver

Looks like Op is getting a good deal fro Pierse @ €27k versus Hogan @€; 28800
Can our friends in the leasing Dept. better the €27k? Which is the right price , Hogan or Pierse? Delighted for Op if he can get the car for €27k or less.

delthedriver

robertxxx wrote: »

Wow somebody buying new!

Yes, registrations down 40 per cent ytd.!

R.O.R

digzy wrote: »

Perhaps they might be able to assist with the opening question of the thread?

I did earlier but without figures as I was on the phone.

€28,795 for the 1.6Tdi Comfortline. Metallic has gone to around €663 I think so total ex. works is around €29,460.

If they want to do business then 10% off that figure comes to close to €26,500 then add delivery.

Based on that, Hogan's aren't doing you any favours, but €27k from Pierse is very competetive. I don't think under 27k is achievable, unless you are ordering 50+ in a year

Before going with Pierse, give DJ Brown a call in Newmarket (North Cork, so shouldn't be too far to travel) and see what he can do.

delthedriver

R.O.R wrote: »

I did earlier but without figures as I was on the phone.

€28,795 for the 1.6Tdi Comfortline. Metallic has gone to around €663 I think so total ex. works is around €29,460.

If they want to do business then 10% off that figure comes to close to €26,500 then add delivery.

Based on that, Hogan's aren't doing you any favours, but €27k from Pierse is very competetive. I don't think under 27k is achievable, unless you are ordering 50+ in a year

Before going with Pierse, give DJ Brown a call in Newmarket (North Cork, so shouldn't be too far to travel) and see what he can do.

Cheers,
Thanks for your reply.
Looks like my suggested 10 per cent is possible after all !
Digzy, Happy Motoring
Best regards
Ps.As regards your project I will leave you guys to look after that one yourselves!

lifer_sean

R.O.R wrote: »

give DJ Brown a call in Newmarket (North Cork, so shouldn't be too far to travel) and see what he can do.

+1 for Newmarket Motors. I used to deal with them a good bit in the past, good prices, they run a good operation.

delthedriver

lifer_sean wrote: »

Dealer margins are never very large, and are with respect to full list price. They never get to keep all the margin ... it would be very rare for dealers to get full retail price. Much of the margin is usually passed on to the buyer as increased trade-in allowance or straight sale discount (per OP's question). I have seen other dealers sell new cars at a loss, for example to hold a local customer, or to meet a target for a rebate. I quoted on two new landcruisers before Christmas, and another dealer took the business at less than 1% margin.

As regards Drummerboy and ROR, if I remember correctly these two guys are in the car leasing business, so pricing new Passats is their daily job. I would be very surprised if they did not have a good idea of the best price achievable on any new car. Personally, I'd listen to what they had to say.

Looks like Hogan was doing his best to maximise his margin? Can't blame him for that. but there are other VW dealers ! Haggle!

RedorDead

Dealers play it differently. Some dealers want to make a profit on every car and see where that brings them at the end of quarter. Some dealers are happy to sell lots of cars at a loss and hope by hitting their quarterly targets they recoup these losses. Depends dealer to dealer really.

There is no way a dealer is making almost 3k margin on a passat comfortline though.

delthedriver

RedorDead wrote: »

Dealers play it differently. Some dealers want to make a profit on every car and see where that brings them at the end of quarter. Some dealers are happy to sell lots of cars at a loss and hope by hitting their quarterly targets they recoup these losses. Depends dealer to dealer really.

There is no way a dealer is making almost 3k margin on a passat comfortline though.

So what do you believe the profit margin is?

R.O.R

RedorDead wrote: »

There is no way a dealer is making almost 3k margin on a passat comfortline though.

Bigger margins on VW for 2012. Shame your lot didn't do anything better.....

delthedriver wrote: »

So what do you believe the profit margin is?

I don't think Red or Dead believes anything, he knows.

There are quite a few professionals on this forum, rather than just enthusiasts who "think" they know how things work.

delthedriver

R.O.R wrote: »

Bigger margins on VW for 2012. Shame your lot didn't do anything better.....



I don't think Red or Dead believes anything, he knows.

There are quite a few professionals on this forum, rather than just enthusiasts who "think" they know how things work.

Yes it would be interesting to know how many of the contributors on this thread are involved in the Motor Trade.

It seemed to take a lot of pulling and dragging to confirm discount of 10 per cent.

It is great to bring a bit of transparency to the subject.

Best wishes.