New Car needed - Family and big dog

nemo32

Hi All,

Looking for some friendly advice. We recently got a very large dog and we only have 2 small cars, 5 dr peugeot 207 and a 3 dr afla remeo. So we need to upgrade the 3 dr to fit the dog and buggy in the boot as most of the time I would have the kids and the dog when travelling.
Looking to spend approx 10k

We were considering Hyundai Tucson or Santa Fe but is there any other options you can think of that would be better on fuel, road tax etc?
It would only be used for short daily jorneys( 20 mins from work and childcare etc) and maybe some longer trips at the weekends.

Open to all suggestions.. Thank you

Marcusm

Do you need to take the dog on the short daily trips; sounds like it's going to be expensive!

nemo32

Marcusm wrote: »

Do you need to take the dog on the short daily trips; sounds like it's going to be expensive!

Yes, this is the problem. There will be quite a few times when the dog and kids will be in the car together.

CJhaughey

I would be looking at something like a Kia Ceed SW.
Small tax, big enough boot and not heavy on juice.
Petrol would be fine for your use and less problematic than diesel.

Seweryn

I would look towards one of these

seamus

Neighbour of mine has 3 huge dogs and two kids, so he's using a Double-Cab Navara with the pickup part filled in (I'm sure there's a name for it ), much like this one: http://www.autotrader.ie/search/Nissan/Navara/DIESEL-D/201249211278104/advert?channel=COMMERCIALS

Enormous vehicle, but he seems very happy with it.

nemo32

CJhaughey wrote: »

I would be looking at something like a Kia Ceed SW.
Small tax, big enough boot and not heavy on juice.
Petrol would be fine for your use and less problematic than diesel.

Thank you.
Estate I presume you mean? Will take a look and see if there is many out there for sale

nemo32

OSI wrote: »

Keep it in the family - Alfa 159 Sportwagon 1.9 JTDm

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Alfa-Romeo/159/DIESEL-E/32013558317718900/advert?channel=CARS

Thank you,
Wasn't mad on the Estate option but might have to rethink it

nemo32

Seweryn wrote: »

I would look towards one of these

Thank you,
Would be a killer on petrol though.. If I was going that size engine it would have to be diesel

nemo32

seamus wrote: »

Neighbour of mine has 3 huge dogs and two kids, so he's using a Double-Cab Navara with the pickup part filled in (I'm sure there's a name for it ), much like this one: http://www.autotrader.ie/search/Nissan/Navara/DIESEL-D/201249211278104/advert?channel=COMMERCIALS

Enormous vehicle, but he seems very happy with it.

Thanks, Looks prefect but would it not be a killer on tax and fuel for the small journeys I would be taking. Wonder if there is any in my price range either :eek:

Seweryn

nemo32 wrote: »

Thank you,
Would be a killer on petrol though.. If I was going that size engine it would have to be diesel

Then even better - get a cheaper good example and keep the change for fuel .
That is what I would do.

Heroditas

Might a Honda CR-V fit the bill?
You could get a 2007 version for about €12k

nemo32

Heroditas wrote: »

Might a Honda CR-V fit the bill?
You could get a 2007 version for about €12k

Yes possibly if I could push the budget out and find one that wasn't a large engine petrol

nemo32

Seweryn wrote: »

Then even better - get a cheaper good example and keep the change for fuel .
That is what I would do.

Not sure on the look of it but might need to knock that on the head aswell if I want to get something to fit all other criteria

OldmanMondeo

Get an estate and a roof box. The dog and buggy in the boot would be a bad idea, dig may get hurt from it.

Joe 90

nemo32

Joe 90 wrote: »

Love it, fits the look I'd go for alright and the dog would be in his element

peteb2

I bought myself a nice 2009 Mondeo estate there before Xmas. Its only the petrol 1600cc version as I wont need to be speeding around with a baby on the way. Then forked out another €260 for a dog guard that goes behind the back seats. And a divider that splits the boot in half so one side on for baby gear and one side for the dog! Travall.co.uk do the dividers.

Chuck Stone

Octavia Estate
2007
1.6 FSi
Full main dealer service history.
Heated seats
44,000 miles.
€ 8,500

Heroditas

nemo32 wrote: »

Yes possibly if I could push the budget out and find one that wasn't a large engine petrol

Most are 2.2l diesel.

goz83

Heroditas wrote: »

Might a Honda CR-V fit the bill?
You could get a 2007 version for about €12k

Would suggest this too.

Here is an 06 one (2 litre version tax is €710) for well under budget http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4194251

You could get an 09 diesel for under 10k, but if its only short trips....stay away from Diesel.

M cebee

what's the story with dogs in cars

is it allowed?

bazz26

M cebee wrote: »

what's the story with dogs in cars

is it allowed?

Yes, as long as they aint doing the driving.

goz83

bazz26 wrote: »

Yes, as long as they aint doing the driving.

I seen a right dog applying her make up on the Malahide in a Punto. Is that legal? :pac:

M cebee

are there any rules?
in case of impact etc.

Seweryn

M cebee wrote: »

what's the story with dogs in cars

is it allowed?

Same as other passengers. Can't see them not being allowed .

seamus

M cebee wrote: »

are there any rules?
in case of impact etc.

Not in this country.

If the dog was going mad in the car, or a Garda really had a bee in his bonnet about it, I'm sure he could find some generic "driving in an unsafe manner" charge, but I've never heard of someone being stopped or charged for driving with an unrestrained dog in the car.

That said, if you strap yourself into the vehicle, then why not your dog? It's common sense really.

There are probably rules in relation to the carriage of animals, but in most traffic laws "animals" typically don't include cats and dogs and are intended to refer to livestock/bloodstock.

nemo32

CJhaughey wrote: »

I would be looking at something like a Kia Ceed SW.
Small tax, big enough boot and not heavy on juice.
Petrol would be fine for your use and less problematic than diesel.

What problems can Diesel cars have that petrol wouldn't?

positron

nemo32 wrote: »

Wasn't mad on the Estate option but might have to rethink it

Your choices are either an estate or an SUV, right? I would recommend estate over SUV - Estates also comes in various sizes - so its not always overly big / long.

I don't know if you can call it an estate, but an Audi A3 Sportback (sp?) is a 5 door estate shaped car that's smaller than your average estate. Being Audi, it's probably poorer value compared to Volvo, VW, Honda etc though.

NobodyImportant

I would be swaying towards a nice estate car too over an SUV.

A3 Sportback isnt really an estate though, its just a 5 door. Plenty of choices in estates out there, Kia Cee'd diesel wagon or something would be a good one.

ToxicPaddy

Probably a bit too big and old, but just thought I'd throw it out there..

2005 Volvo V70 2.0T

Acres of boot space, big comfy car with low mileage and plenty of oomph under the right boot if required on the longer journeys

CJhaughey

nemo32 wrote: »

What problems can Diesel cars have that petrol wouldn't?

Modern diesels need to be driven hard for reasonable distances to allow the Diesel Particulate Filter to clean itself, if driven around town mostly cold and low speed they block and cause problems.
I expect to see a tsunami of diesels like this in the near future as people rushed to buy diesels for low road tax and don't do the type of driving that would necessitate a diesel engine.(>20K p/a)
Other things will also go such as Dual Mass flywheels which are meant to civilise rough Common rail powerplants but commonly fail.
For small mileage and round town use a petrol is the better option for most people.

dgt

In budget



Knock off a few hundred for that wonkey plate!

Merch

How about a Honda Stream
They seem to have more space inside then they appear to have.
Haven't seen the inside in person, only pictures, seem pretty ordinary like a lot of Jap yokes, but looks very practical. It seems that miught be what you're looking for, Maybe nicer than a kia SW and sub 2L (that or an Octacia/Kia Station Wagon).
They'd be some of my options.
Is manual or auto a preference or requirement?

peasant

nemo32 wrote: »

..we need to upgrade the 3 dr to fit the dog and buggy in the boot as most of the time I would have the kids and the dog when travelling.
...It would only be used for short daily jorneys( 20 mins from work and childcare etc) and maybe some longer trips at the weekends.

I think what you'd need to focus most on is the practicability of it all.
You'll have active kids in the car, together with a bouncy dog ...separation is the key
Also, you'll probably have to load/secure kids/dog at different points during the trip ..open one door and one or the other escapes

Add to that a bit of a rush in the mornings and you've got a recipe for chaos.

If i were you, I'd get soemthing like a Citroen Berlingo / Renault Kangoo. Not sexy, but immensely practical. Sliding rear doors make it so much easier to safely persuade cranky children into their car seats and the big boot allows for a nice "cage" with divider to separate dog from children and luggage.

like so:



more importantly, that setup also allows you to hook the dog's lead to the divider to prevent it from running off while you load the buggy

Even if you don't want to buy a popemobile van, I'd strongly suggest you check this site http://www.travall.co.uk/ to see if they provide dog guard and divider for your chosen estate/SUV

nemo32

Merch wrote: »

How about a Honda Stream
They seem to have more space inside then they appear to have.
Haven't seen the inside in person, only pictures, seem pretty ordinary like a lot of Jap yokes, but looks very practical. It seems that miught be what you're looking for, Maybe nicer than a kia SW and sub 2L (that or an Octacia/Kia Station Wagon).
They'd be some of my options.
Is manual or auto a preference or requirement?

Thank you i will have a look at them on carzone.
No preference on auto or manual

nemo32

peasant wrote: »

I think what you'd need to focus most on is the practicability of it all.
You'll have active kids in the car, together with a bouncy dog ...separation is the key
Also, you'll probably have to load/secure kids/dog at different points during the trip ..open one door and one or the other escapes

Add to that a bit of a rush in the mornings and you've got a recipe for chaos.

If i were you, I'd get soemthing like a Citroen Berlingo / Renault Kangoo. Not sexy, but immensely practical. Sliding rear doors make it so much easier to safely persuade cranky children into their car seats and the big boot allows for a nice "cage" with divider to separate dog from children and luggage.

like so:



more importantly, that setup also allows you to hook the dog's lead to the divider to prevent it from running off while you load the buggy

Even if you don't want to buy a popemobile van, I'd strongly suggest you check this site http://www.travall.co.uk/ to see if they provide dog guard and divider for your chosen estate/SUV

Thank you, will have a look at some of them. I didn't realise they have back seats in them :-)

nemo32

What do we think about this one?

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Nissan/X-Trail/2.0-Petr/32013566579235010/advert?channel=CARS

CJhaughey

Do you really need a 2.0 litre petrol for the small mileage?

nemo32

Alot of the bigger cars (big boots) are over 1.8. If they are under 1.8 I think it's going to take alot of fuel to run such a big car, no?

deandean

- Ford S-max ( not sure if you get one within your budget)
- Mondeo estate
- Volvo V70 - the best fit for your requirements, IMO.

And +1 for a good-sized roof box for when you are going on holiday.

nemo32

deandean wrote: »

- Ford S-max ( not sure if you get one within your budget)
- Mondeo estate
- Volvo V70 - the best fit for your requirements, IMO.

And +1 for a good-sized roof box for when you are going on holiday.

Yes not many of the S-Max within budget and the boot looks small for the one that is.
Yes keeping an eye on the Mondeo Estates, again not many nice ones out there within budget and engine size
Seen one Volvo V70 but alot of mileage but will keep looking for these.

Thank you

Zubeneschamali

nemo32 wrote: »

Yes not many of the S-Max within budget and the boot looks small for the one that is.

Boot is massive (850 litres!) if you are only using the 5 full-size seats. Only 285 if you are using all seven seats. You can also use one of the back row, and still have 500, easily room for a big dog-cage.

nemo32

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Boot is massive (850 litres!) if you are only using the 5 full-size seats. Only 285 if you are using all seven seats. You can also use one of the back row, and still have 500, easily room for a big dog-cage.

Okay maybe the pic I seen had the 7 seats in use, will take a look again. Thanks

Syllabus.

any sort of jeep is going to have a tiny boot compared to an estate

save yourself a LOT on cash and get an 06 lancer est.

stick a roof box on too if needed

tons of room

nemo32

nemo32 wrote: »

Okay maybe the pic I seen had the 7 seats in use, will take a look again. Thanks

Yes it was this one, the boot shot has the 7 seats up I think. Boot looks big if 5 seats in use, sorry my mistake. Thank you

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Ford/S-Max/TITANIUM/201250211426767/advert?channel=CARS

nemo32

Syllabus. wrote: »

any sort of jeep is going to have a tiny boot compared to an estate

save yourself a LOT on cash and get an 06 lancer est.

stick a roof box on too if needed

tons of room

Not many out there but will keep an eye out. Thank you.

Ferris

My Mother uses a Nissan Note and it fits 2 dogs in the boot (1 lab and a whippet). The rear seat slides forward on a rail if you need. It has a 1.4 petrol and is quite economical, has low tax and is ok on the motorway etc. Also a nice feature is that the dogs don't have far to jump etc. when getting in and out.

Its not my cup of tea but its very practical and they're cheap as chips. Hers is quite well equipped with bluetooth and parking sensors etc.

nemo32

I'm still looking

Anybody know anything about these?

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Chevrolet/Captiva/2.0-TDI-/31813494262495420/advert?channel=CARS