Best Nuts for Finishing Beef

nhg

As previously posted, new to farming so all advise greatly appreciated........

A few of the bullocks are ready to be put on Beef Nuts for finishing for factory, about 23 months, whiteheads & limousines on good silage at the min, what nuts would you recommend & how much to give them - bulk blown into bin. We are on the Tipperary/Kilkenny border.

Thanks in advance & Happy New Year to everyone.

Farmer Pudsey

Nuts are usually 20/ton dearer than a ration and you cannot always be sure what is in them. The advantage are that they do not spoil silage like a ration can and you can get them tested for energy levels etc

Finishing is all about cost maize is very compeditive at present you need about 13% protein maize, barley, soyahulls and a protein source such as rapeseed/soya. Look at the labels if buying a nut and see the ingridients.

simx

neighbour of mine finishes about 90+ heifers each year and his brother does about 50 they both use paul and vincent 16% protein nuts,i also get thses for weanlings/stores-i dont finish much,i paid 305/t for these blown in about 5 wks ago,alot of lads around me went away from glanbia and to p&v, im happy enough with them anyway

DMAXMAN

nhg wrote: »

As previously posted, new to farming so all advise greatly appreciated........

A few of the bullocks are ready to be put on Beef Nuts for finishing for factory, about 23 months, whiteheads & limousines on good silage at the min, what nuts would you recommend & how much to give them - bulk blown into bin. We are on the Tipperary/Kilkenny border.

Thanks in advance & Happy New Year to everyone.

connollys red mills based in goresbridge do both nuts and coarse rations. they are not the cheapest by any means but their quality would be second to none,never heard anyone complain about their stuff

oldsmokey

Surely energy rather than protein is the important factor in finishing cattle...

oldhead

stewards do a very good high maize mix, there is 50% maize in it, find it very good

mf240

oldhead wrote: »

stewards do a very good high maize mix, there is 50% maize in it, find it very good

How much is that roughly? please.

oldhead

mf240 wrote: »

How much is that roughly? please.

the last time i bought was either €365 r €370 a tonne

ordinary farmer

im using connacht gold crunch. i fed bullocs and heifer on thats stewarts meal last year very dissappointed with thrive. it all comes down to cost for the sake of 20c dear for the '' connacht gold high energy beef crunch'' i think u are better in the long run

oldhead

ordinary farmer wrote: »

im using connacht gold crunch. i fed bullocs and heifer on thats stewarts meal last year very dissappointed with thrive. it all comes down to cost for the sake of 20c dear for the '' connacht gold high energy beef crunch'' i think u are better in the long run

thats funny, i changed to this from cg, i found cg went down very well with the cattle but never thrived, what crunch was it??????, im using stewards the last 3 years, find it very good.

on a different note, has anyone ever tried Dan o connor feeds from limerick i think. one feed i heard in particular was very good for finishing was matador. it suppoed to finish cattle 2 to 3 weeks sooner than anything else, but you can only feed straw with it, no silage
anyone ever use it????

ordinary farmer

oldhead wrote: »

thats funny, i changed to this from cg, i found cg went down very well with the cattle but never thrived, what crunch was it??????, im using stewards the last 3 years, find it very good.

on a different note, has anyone ever tried Dan o connor feeds from limerick i think. one feed i heard in particular was very good for finishing was matador. it suppoed to finish cattle 2 to 3 weeks sooner than anything else, but you can only feed straw with it, no silage
anyone ever use it????

high energy breef crunch in a purple bag.. im looking around though lately they are putting too much molasses in the bags and its sticking in lumps :rolleyes: nugget isnt much good for finishing either. i hear good stories about paul and vincent so i must get in touch.

nhg

I went with the local Brett's mill, attached is the ingredients of the Beef Elite that I got, €330/T, they give a discount for early payers which I availed of bringing it to €325/T.

bob charles

Nearly every mill will put out a very good ration and a ration to a budget and everything in between, So I would deal with anyone thrustwordy, tell them what you want and just keep an eye on the dockets, you buying it so ask whats in it and why if you dont understand rations etc. would you buy a car without asking whats this for whats that for. I have dealt with a good few merchants and I cant ever remember leaving one or the other due to the ration not being up to spec

fatoftheland

oldhead wrote: »

the last time i bought was either €365 r €370 a tonne

that sounds dear got a load of it this week for 345

oldhead

fatoftheland wrote: »

that sounds dear got a load of it this week for 345

was it the stewards, that a great price, do you mind me asking where yea got it??

fatoftheland

oldhead wrote: »

was it the stewards, that a great price, do you mind me asking where yea got it??

Yea I bought it direct from them

Farmer Pudsey

oldhead wrote: »

the last time i bought was either €365 r €370 a tonne

Any finishing ration costing this much is unenomical no matter what you are feeding. Very good rations with UFL of above 0.9 are unenomical at 280-290/ton but that is aroungd the average at present. At that price I be trying to store over the winter

nhg wrote: »

I went with the local Brett's mill, attached is the ingredients of the Beef Elite that I got, €330/T, they give a discount for early payers which I availed of bringing it to €325/T.

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Looking at the ration all it ingredients must be nearly in equal quanties for it to reach 14% protein. For finishing protein is not important 12-13% is usually adequate and below it for steers. However this year with silage protein so poor 13% minimum is required. Ration is a good mix but nothing spectaular.. If blown into a bin I want it in at 300/ton at the most.

oldhead

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Any finishing ration costing this much is unenomical no matter what you are feeding. Very good rations with UFL of above 0.9 are unenomical at 280-290/ton but that is aroungd the average at present. At that price I be trying to store over the winter



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Looking at the ration all it ingredients must be nearly in equal quanties for it to reach 14% protein. For finishing protein is not important 12-13% is usually adequate and below it for steers. However this year with silage protein so poor 13% minimum is required. Ration is a good mix but nothing spectaular.. If blown into a bin I want it in at 300/ton at the most.

well that is the best deal i can get here at the min, i dont have any mill near me so that is what we want to pay, what do you use and what is it costing you

loveta

Was on grange research farm in the mid late 90s and the very same question came up and the answer was very simple. "THEN" The best ration they could finish animals on was appox..... 95ish% rolled barley 4-5% soya and minerals. Jaws dropped at the time people could not/ would not believe it was such a simple recipe

oldhead

Priced feed today for the crack, superbeef 388 in one place, 370 in another, a maize meal 390. what in the name of god are yea supposed to do. its mental.

loveta

oldhead wrote: »

Priced feed today for the crack, superbeef 388 in one place, 370 in another, a maize meal 390. what in the name of god are yea supposed to do. its mental.

yea and i bet if you got a percentage break down of the ingre you might not be that impressed either the mills are really coming up with some tight stuff to put in them at the moment

Farmer Pudsey

oldhead wrote: »

Priced feed today for the crack, superbeef 388 in one place, 370 in another, a maize meal 390. what in the name of god are yea supposed to do. its mental.

Maize meal is very compeditive at present coming in at 280/ton so someone is getting 2.5/bag to put it in a bag that is crazy. Buying in bags to finish cattle is crazy anyway there are some some fairly compeditive mixes out there but you would need to really look at the ingriedents.

Some millers have a Hi maize nut and maize while first on the list only makes up less than 20% of the ration. Mind you it has disadvantges as it limits intake too much in the diet is not a good thing as it slows down the rumen.

If you are paying much more than 300/ton for a GOOD ration either sell or store cattle until grass.

oldhead

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Maize meal is very compeditive at present coming in at 280/ton so someone is getting 2.5/bag to put it in a bag that is crazy. Buying in bags to finish cattle is crazy anyway there are some some fairly compeditive mixes out there but you would need to really look at the ingriedents.

Some millers have a Hi maize nut and maize while first on the list only makes up less than 20% of the ration. Mind you it has disadvantges as it limits intake too much in the diet is not a good thing as it slows down the rumen.

If you are paying much more than 300/ton for a GOOD ration either sell or store cattle until grass.

Farmer Pud i dont know where you are getting them prices from, obs you buying way more than i am. rang a place in tuam today for loose maize nut collected in their yard, not in bags and the best they gave me was 360

Farmer Pudsey

oldhead wrote: »

Farmer Pud i dont know where you are getting them prices from, obs you buying way more than i am. rang a place in tuam today for loose maize nut collected in their yard, not in bags and the best they gave me was 360

I am buying at slightly less than 300/ton I have a mix that is Maize, Maize Gluten, Wheat, Rape Seed Nut, beet pulp, soya hulls and molasses. Have not got exact percentages at hand however it is 13% protein have not got the UFL/ME figure at hand but it is fairly well balanced. Buy in 5 ton loads mostly and am thinking that this is my last year Winter Finishing. Back to buying bullocks and selling them off grass the following year too much work for very little money. Feeding last batch to go in about 50-70 days hope fully

I usually get a specific mix and price a few mills and bargain however I am good to pay on time have a bit of credit time.

Bigbird1

oldhead wrote: »

thats funny, i changed to this from cg, i found cg went down very well with the cattle but never thrived, what crunch was it??????, im using stewards the last 3 years, find it very good.

on a different note, has anyone ever tried Dan o connor feeds from limerick i think. one feed i heard in particular was very good for finishing was matador. it suppoed to finish cattle 2 to 3 weeks sooner than anything else, but you can only feed straw with it, no silage
anyone ever use it????

What stewards nut is this your feeding?
Is it a nut or crunch?

freedominacup

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

I am buying at slightly less than 300/ton I have a mix that is Maize, Maize Gluten, Wheat, Rape Seed Nut, beet pulp, soya hulls and molasses. Have not got exact percentages at hand however it is 13% protein have not got the UFL/ME figure at hand but it is fairly well balanced. Buy in 5 ton loads mostly and am thinking that this is my last year Winter Finishing. Back to buying bullocks and selling them off grass the following year too much work for very little money. Feeding last batch to go in about 50-70 days hope fully

I usually get a specific mix and price a few mills and bargain however I am good to pay on time have a bit of credit time.

The day of ad-lib meal is over. Much more concentration on producing top quality silage is going to be the order of the day for the foreseeable future. Getting one huge crop in early-mid June isn't going to be a runner unless all you want to do is store cattle or dry cows.

Farmer Pudsey

freedominacup wrote: »

The day of ad-lib meal is over. Much more concentration on producing top quality silage is going to be the order of the day for the foreseeable future. Getting one huge crop in early-mid June isn't going to be a runner unless all you want to do is store cattle or dry cows.

Not ad-lib good silage and 7 building up to 10kgs at finishing. The present bunch were some I picked up last autaum light year and a halfs intended to kill@ 26-30 months however Factories getting fussy about age. So I have to finish out of shed and I am a bit disappointed. Could not agree more about Ad-lib. Have grown these a bit first and now intend to kill asap. However even with good silage winter finishing is a dead duck you will need at least 7-8kgs with good silage and it may still be more economical to feed a small bit more ration. I anever go beyond 10kgs.

Also you have less issue with acidosis etc with this method

oldhead

Bigbird1 wrote: »

What stewards nut is this your feeding?
Is it a nut or crunch?

its more a meal than a crunch

956

hi guys new here. I am feeding stewards super beef with maize at 330 a ton from my local supplier, not big enoughto justify my own silo yet so getting it from his. am feeding weanling bulls and two older bulls fom 2011 with fairly good silage form the pit and nearly 10 pounds per day. had a couple of lads in the shed the last day who finish some bull beef and bullocks, they reckon i seem to be getting great results for the input, they know my cattle well as were all mates. They are thinking off moving to stewards tbh i cant say i blame them. I tried connacht gold meals before including crunch, beef 16 and their super beef and their bull nuts. Seems to me their meal is faster acting and far better weight gain plus a small cheaper. sorry about the length off this post

956

sorry meant to say the stewards meal is the one with better responses, just to clarify my point

Farmer Pudsey

956 wrote: »

hi guys new here. I am feeding stewards super beef with maize at 330 a ton from my local supplier, not big enoughto justify my own silo yet so getting it from his. am feeding weanling bulls and two older bulls fom 2011 with fairly good silage form the pit and nearly 10 pounds per day. had a couple of lads in the shed the last day who finish some bull beef and bullocks, they reckon i seem to be getting great results for the input, they know my cattle well as were all mates. They are thinking off moving to stewards tbh i cant say i blame them. I tried connacht gold meals before including crunch, beef 16 and their super beef and their bull nuts. Seems to me their meal is faster acting and far better weight gain plus a small cheaper. sorry about the length off this post

956 wrote: »

sorry meant to say the stewards meal is the one with better responses, just to clarify my point

look at the Ingredients however at any price for a good ration of over 250/Ton I be moving cattle ASAP

Now I cannot buy it for that either

nhg

Back again, Thanks for all the help to date.

Bullocks out on grass, a few 570kgs ready to be finished, how many kgs of Beef Elite Nuts should they get daily, plan on having ready for beginning of July.

bob charles

nhg wrote: »

Back again, Thanks for all the help to date.

Bullocks out on grass, a few 570kgs ready to be finished, how many kgs of Beef Elite Nuts should they get daily, plan on having ready for beginning of July.

as much as they will eat

sh1tstirrer

A neighbour of mine rented out his farm for 2 months for silage, April and may 115 an acre 60 acres. That's €6900 up front for two months you would have some fun trying to make that money out of cattle. Of course the demand is there this year.

Dampintheattic

I have a handy second calver cow, which lost her calf.
Planning to fatten her as quickly as possible.
Giving her silage and 6 kgs mix of P&V 16% beef nuts and maize meal.

Could I double up on the meal, to get her away quicker?
Would straw be better than silage?

Farmer Pudsey

Dampintheattic wrote: »

I have a handy second calver cow, which lost her calf.
Planning to fatten her as quickly as possible.
Giving her silage and 6 kgs mix of P&V 16% beef nuts and maize meal.

Could I double up on the meal, to get her away quicker?
Would straw be better than silage?

Will it pay you. Is she a suckler or a dairy cow. While she is young dairy cows have a rotten conversion rate. In 6-8 weeks cow prices start to fall usually maybe not this year but who knows. What you have quoted up there will cost 3 euro/day minimum and if she goes on all ration 4/day. At a 60% conversion rate she be losing money over feed costs not to mind 50%.

Dampintheattic

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Will it pay you. Is she a suckler or a dairy cow. While she is young dairy cows have a rotten conversion rate. In 6-8 weeks cow prices start to fall usually maybe not this year but who knows. What you have quoted up there will cost 3 euro/day minimum and if she goes on all ration 4/day. At a 60% conversion rate she be losing money over feed costs not to mind 50%.

She is a hardish Charolais cross. Hoping to get her off within six weeks.
Can't see her making much in the mart, with feeders holding back due to fodder shortage.