E-Collar coming tomorrow

Brazzill

Well lads, getting e-collar tomorrow or thursday. Hunted Odie on snipe alot just before the season started and now anytime i head into a field where theres some rushs she heads straight for it and goes def to the whistle altogether. But no rushs she will respond and not go far on ditchs or nothing. So i got the e-collar cause a few friends recommended it. So just want to know how i would go bout training her with it to the whistle. Thanks in advance

John

fiestaman

Im looking forward to the replys on this. My lad is grand in rushes, when he gets to ditch though its the deaf ear too until hes ran the whole lenght of it and decides to come back himself. I was thinking of getting one but hoping i could sort it without one.

EPointer=Birdss

fiestaman wrote: »

Im looking forward to the replys on this. My lad is grand in rushes, when he gets to ditch though its the deaf ear too until hes ran the whole lenght of it and decides to come back himself. I was thinking of getting one but hoping i could sort it without one.

Where's the problem Fiestaman? Get lighter wellies so you can keep up.
If I were you I'd be getting that dog into heavy cover ASAP.

As regards use of a collar;
I'm hoping you got one with Beep function. If so put it on the dog & beep him in the yard. You'll see him cock his ears. Then recall him. Repeat as can be controlled & then bring him to the troublesome areas. Run him, whistle, beep, light shock if ignored & he shud snap out of it. Recall again. Dog should be sheepish so on return so good lad etc & send him off again.
Dont rattle him with it, just enough to snap him out - might have to be a decent one if dog is hard. Your basically teaching the dog you can correct him from anywhere like he's on a big long rope

The vibration makes my fella jump as its the thought rather than shock.
Saying that I haven't shocked him in 2 years & don't even have a collar on him last few runs.

fiestaman

EPointer=Birdss wrote: »

Where's the problem Fiestaman? Get lighter wellies so you can keep up.
If I were you I'd be getting that dog into heavy cover ASAP.

Lad hes gone out of sight when the lead comes off and hes near cover, grand in open field. If i let him into heavy cover id say i wouldnt see him again. hell need steading to game b4 i hunt with him. I had him out once 2wks ago and he done the above and i just put him back on lead and went home.

Dont want to be hijacking this thread.

EPointer=Birdss

fiestaman wrote: »

Lad hes gone out of sight when the lead comes off and hes near cover, grand in open field. If i let him into heavy cover id say i wouldnt see him again. hell need steading to game b4 i hunt with him. I had him out once 2wks ago and he done the above and i just put him back on lead and went home.

Dont want to be hijacking this thread.

Your gonna have to put range & breaks on him at some stage but at the Mo sounds like he is hunting for himself. I'd be letting him put up birds & go semi wild & use the summer to pull him back - but that's just me. A collar will do this if ropes etc fail.
Have read too many books & taken too much advice about instilling control on Springers & have ended up with too many bootwashers! Best springer I had was a semi wild dog years ago that would annoy me at times with the deaf ear but I wasn't telling him what to do every 2 mins coz he just got on with it!

dev110

EPointer=Birdss wrote: »

Your gonna have to put range & breaks on him at some stage but at the Mo sounds like he is hunting for himself. I'd be letting him put up birds & go semi wild & use the summer to pull him back - but that's just me. A collar will do this if ropes etc fail.
Have read too many books & taken too much advice about instilling control on Springers & have ended up with too many bootwashers! Best springer I had was a semi wild dog years ago that would annoy me at times with the deaf ear but I wasn't telling him what to do every 2 mins coz he just got on with it!

+1 to that!

Since I got talking to Castlegal Spaniels I have realised that the wild way is the better way. I now see my springer is a bootwasher like EP says and looks for instructions.

Terminator was posting about the hunting then the discipline way for months but I never realised it until this season that it is definitely the way to go for a cover dog.

Brazzill

EPointer=Birdss wrote: »

Where's the problem Fiestaman? Get lighter wellies so you can keep up.
If I were you I'd be getting that dog into heavy cover ASAP.

As regards use of a collar;
I'm hoping you got one with Beep function. If so put it on the dog & beep him in the yard. You'll see him cock his ears. Then recall him. Repeat as can be controlled & then bring him to the troublesome areas. Run him, whistle, beep, light shock if ignored & he shud snap out of it. Recall again. Dog should be sheepish so on return so good lad etc & send him off again.
Dont rattle him with it, just enough to snap him out - might have to be a decent one if dog is hard. Your basically teaching the dog you can correct him from anywhere like he's on a big long rope

The vibration makes my fella jump as its the thought rather than shock.
Saying that I haven't shocked him in 2 years & don't even have a collar on him last few runs.

Cheers I will do that exactly as instructed as I have watched all your videos and can see the results.

Yes I got the one with the beep and LCD screen. She's not totally def to the whistle just hunting for herself when she sees the rushs. I would have to wait till she is done a min or two and back to ditches. Other then that one thing I can't complain. I was told by a few fellas now not harness or too much or she could lose interest in hunting the way she is. Just want her to Know when I blow that whistle it means stop when she hits for the rushes. Thanks for the advice lads much appreciated. Might leave it till the season ends so altogether.

zeevalentino

Looking to get one of these collars.
Looking to get one with a beeper after reading this and with an adjustable shocker as my dog can be timid at times.
Could anyone reccommend anyone in particular and where would be the best place to pick one up ?
Thanks

Brazzill

chat away lad, if this thread can help more then me well thats a bonus.

Brazzill

fiestaman wrote: »

Lad hes gone out of sight when the lead comes off and hes near cover, grand in open field. If i let him into heavy cover id say i wouldnt see him again. hell need steading to game b4 i hunt with him. I had him out once 2wks ago and he done the above and i just put him back on lead and went home.

Dont want to be hijacking this thread.

chat away lad, if this thread can help more then me well thats a bonus.

Brazzill

zeevalentino wrote: »

Looking to get one of these collars.
Looking to get one with a beeper after reading this and with an adjustable shocker as my dog can be timid at times.
Could anyone reccommend anyone in particular and where would be the best place to pick one up ?
Thanks

Now EP would be your man to talk bout this but i got a cheap one on ebay. Didnt need the longer range one as this one does up tp 328 yards......what springer would u need that for haha.

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/LCD-Electric-Shock-E-Collar-Dog-Training-Remote-Control-Anti-Bark-Rechargeable-/110920363515?pt=UK_Pet_Supplies_Dogs&hash=item19d35e6dfb

EPointer=Birdss

zeevalentino wrote: »

Looking to get one of these collars.
Looking to get one with a beeper after reading this and with an adjustable shocker as my dog can be timid at times.
Could anyone reccommend anyone in particular and where would be the best place to pick one up ?
Thanks

PAC ndxt is what I have. 1 km range but good battery more importantly.
Can but on eBay or directly from them. See what's cheaper. I'd expect in around 200 quid

Chiparus

EPointer=Birdss wrote: »

PAC ndxt is what I have. 1 km range but good battery more importantly.
Can but on eBay or directly from them. See what's cheaper. I'd expect in around 200 quid

I got one online from port laoise , cost about 70 euro, I had ordered from the Uk but after 4 weeks with no response , I went to the Irish crowd, arrived next morning

RICKYD

purchased a collar a couple of yrs ago as i was havin similar trouble as brazzill but my springer was after hares.deaf ear & all that,twud ruin a days huntin if i came across afew.problem sorted ina few days using the collar & didnt even hav to shock just used the vibration function.pleasure to hunt with her now.animal cover dog also.the one i purchased was a petsafe with a 350m range.cost roughly e120 & got it from doggoodies.co.uk. ps get the dog used to wearin it for afew days before u use it

Brazzill

Well lads, went out today with my springer and e-collar hunting. Its the best invention ever, highly recommended to all having trouble reeling your dog/bitch in. Didnt even have to shock her once, just 1 vibrate of it and with my whistle she is perfect. Normally if we go into a field where there is rushs or a black bird breaks she would fly after them. 1 pip of the whistle or the warning beep on the reciever and she straight back or stops and i can send her into cover. Delighted now to be honest, did exactly what e-pointer told me with the beep out walking and throwing the dumby and perfect now. Obviously i will bring it with me again tomorrow till its just the whistle she responds to. But a pleasure hunting with her today.

EPointer=Birdss

Brazzill wrote: »

Well lads, went out today with my springer and e-collar hunting. Its the best invention ever, highly recommended to all having trouble reeling your dog/bitch in. Didnt even have to shock her once, just 1 vibrate of it and with my whistle she is perfect. Normally if we go into a field where there is rushs or a black bird breaks she would fly after them. 1 pip of the whistle or the warning beep on the reciever and she straight back or stops and i can send her into cover. Delighted now to be honest, did exactly what e-pointer told me with the beep out walking and throwing the dumby and perfect now. Obviously i will bring it with me again tomorrow till its just the whistle she responds to. But a pleasure hunting with her today.

Well done brazzill - I can't understand the stigma & reluctance of people to embrace improvements in technology. Any man training dogs should keep one in their gear collection. Really are a fantastic piece of kit when not abused.
How many good dogs were moved on because they "too wild" & couldn't be reeled back in! :rolleyes:

PhotogTom

I agree completely about using technology, etc and have had lots of success with e-collars. I have a slightly different approach though. One way to use the e-collar is as a sort of long range choke collar or slip collar - lets put it this way - the e-collar gets their attention and "corrects" the behavior they are engaged in.

Here's the other way to think of it. Got this from a training session at BassPro in America.

The dog is in charge of the e-collar and can turn it off whenever they want to. How do they turn it off? By acting in the manner the trainer wants them to.

First, the collar goes at the lowest setting that the dog responds to. Responding is a slight head cock or ear lift. This approach only works when the dog already knows the command - such as re-call or heel or whatever.

Here's an example - and it isn't a command that I use but is the easiest example. You have a travel kennel or crate and want the dog to go into the crate on the command "kennel". Again, the dog needs to know the command already. As soon as you say Name-Kennel start the stimulation at the lowest setting. At the exact point that the dog's feet enter the kennel the stimulation goes off. The dog has now controlled the e-collar himself.

The beeping or vibrating setting can be quickly substituted for the stimulation.

This has worked really well for me and is really just a slightly different way of thinking of the e-collar.

Vizzy

EPointer=Birdss wrote: »

Well done brazzill - I can't understand the stigma & reluctance of people to embrace improvements in technology. Any man training dogs should keep one in their gear collection. Really are a fantastic piece of kit when not abused.
How many good dogs were moved on because they "too wild" & couldn't be reeled back in! :rolleyes:

Totally agree with you.
I don't use one cos my problem is that the dog doesn't go out far enough and comes back instantly on the whistle.
Brother uses on on his three though and never has to shock them.
The oldest of them(an English setter who is now 13 and still mad to hunt) is now almost totally deaf and blind and the only way he would come back was to fire a shot and he would "negotiate" his way back.
Now with the e-collar the brother just beeps him and he comes tottering back.
Just goes to prove that you can teach an old dog new tricks.:D

EPointer=Birdss

PhotogTom wrote: »

I agree completely about using technology, etc and have had lots of success with e-collars. I have a slightly different approach though. One way to use the e-collar is as a sort of long range choke collar or slip collar - lets put it this way - the e-collar gets their attention and "corrects" the behavior they are engaged in.

Here's the other way to think of it. Got this from a training session at BassPro in America.

The dog is in charge of the e-collar and can turn it off whenever they want to. How do they turn it off? By acting in the manner the trainer wants them to.

First, the collar goes at the lowest setting that the dog responds to. Responding is a slight head cock or ear lift. This approach only works when the dog already knows the command - such as re-call or heel or whatever.

Here's an example - and it isn't a command that I use but is the easiest example. You have a travel kennel or crate and want the dog to go into the crate on the command "kennel". Again, the dog needs to know the command already. As soon as you say Name-Kennel start the stimulation at the lowest setting. At the exact point that the dog's feet enter the kennel the stimulation goes off. The dog has now controlled the e-collar himself.

The beeping or vibrating setting can be quickly substituted for the stimulation.

This has worked really well for me and is really just a slightly different way of thinking of the e-collar.

Makes sense

RICKYD

great news brazzill,u wont know urself.itl be the making of your dog.savage piece of kit in fairness

Brazzill

EPointer=Birdss wrote: »

Well done brazzill - I can't understand the stigma & reluctance of people to embrace improvements in technology. Any man training dogs should keep one in their gear collection. Really are a fantastic piece of kit when not abused.
How many good dogs were moved on because they "too wild" & couldn't be reeled back in! :rolleyes:

Well I'm not in the game long enough but I swear by it already and only the 1st time with collar today hunting and instant results.

I was afraid to constant do it because I didn't want to stop her hunting because she is doing everything I could wish for in a springer, I honestly thought she would need to be shocked. I introduced the beep 1st while playing and then the vibration(while pipping the whistle 1st everytime) and I couldnt believe it. I can now throw a dumpy and stop her as she goes and then "back" her when I want her to break to retrieve while her being happy with the whistle(without collar). I had great info on how to reel her in with the long lead but she hated me when I did it so I tried this and very happy.

Thanks again e-pointer and anyone else who gave me any help.

fiestaman

Brazzill wrote: »

Well I'm not in the game long enough but I swear by it already and only the 1st time with collar today hunting and instant results.

I was afraid to constant do it because I didn't want to stop her hunting because she is doing everything I could wish for in a springer, I honestly thought she would need to be shocked. I introduced the beep 1st while playing and then the vibration(while pipping the whistle 1st everytime) and I couldnt believe it. I can now throw a dumpy and stop her as she goes and then "back" her when I want her to break to retrieve while her being happy with the whistle(without collar). I had great info on how to reel her in with the long lead but she hated me when I did it so I tried this and very happy.

Thanks again e-pointer and anyone else who gave me any help.

Great to hear,Can you fill me in abit on how you started off with it. When do you beep it or vibrate it or shock it? When you blow the whistle for "come back" and the dog dosent, then you beep, vibrate,or shock? My lad is like a machine in the garden does everything i want so just woundering how could i introduce one if i get one.
Also do you expect to phase it out over time? Or lads thats used them, can they be phased out?

Brazzill

fiestaman wrote: »

Great to hear,Can you fill me in abit on how you started off with it. When do you beep it or vibrate it or shock it? When you blow the whistle for "come back" and the dog dosent, then you beep, vibrate,or shock? My lad is like a machine in the garden does everything i want so just woundering how could i introduce one if i get one.
Also do you expect to phase it out over time? Or lads thats used them, can they be phased out?

Well i put it on her the day after i got it everytime i brought her for a walk and didnt do anything for a few days with the beep, shock, vibration. but then saturday i brought her to the local soccer field and let her off, calling her back and sayin good girl etc..... and send her on again. then introduced the beep to see would she respond, instant stop and looking around to see what the hell the noise was. so i chanced the whistle then and she came pegging back and sat at my feet, again good girl and sent her on. then i introduced the whistle followed by the beep and she stopped and came straight back with recall pip. you can imagine i was beaming as twas just 2 beeps i had used so far and was getting on well(always rubbing and praising her as she returned).

Then i got brave and started throwing the dumby and let her retrieve twice, 3rd time i threw the dumby and pipped the whistle, she hit dec(i couldnt believe my eyes) tail wagging while staring at the dumby. Then the "back" command of she took and a perfect retrieve. You can imagine the good girl and rubs she got then. So i left it at that.

Off i went today hunting with e-collar and odie today. Brought her to a spot from my home town were she would normally drives me mad and go deaf to the whistle(snipe country). In we went, she went to go headless....... bang, pip of my whistle(no beep or nothing) and hit dec, i could have kissed the e-collar. So left it at that she quartered every inch of that rushy field in shooting distance . Then in the next field as she hunted the ditch out breaks a snipe from the butt of ditch and pipped the whistle this was ignored but straight away she got the vibration followed by whistle and bang stoped in her tracks, turned around, looked at me and i cast her towards the ditch and back into cover she went. normally she would peg it headless after the snipe but this time no PERFECT. This was the only time i had to use the vibration after that the rest of the day was a pleasure, every now and again if she went to run after black birds or over towards rushes too far away pipped the whistle and straight back with a rub or cast her into cover.

Now i'm no pro but i am just letting you know how i introduced it to my bitch, i am sure other people would do it different but this is what worked for me. i hope this helps.

fiestaman

Brazzill wrote: »

Well i put it on her the day after i got it everytime i brought her for a walk and didnt do anything for a few days with the beep, shock, vibration. but then saturday i brought her to the local soccer field and let her off, calling her back and sayin good girl etc..... and send her on again. then introduced the beep to see would she respond, instant stop and looking around to see what the hell the noise was. so i chanced the whistle then and she came pegging back and sat at my feet, again good girl and sent her on. then i introduced the whistle followed by the beep and she stopped and came straight back with recall pip. you can imagine i was beaming as twas just 2 beeps i had used so far and was getting on well(always rubbing and praising her as she returned).

Then i got brave and started throwing the dumby and let her retrieve twice, 3rd time i threw the dumby and pipped the whistle, she hit dec(i couldnt believe my eyes) tail wagging while staring at the dumby. Then the "back" command of she took and a perfect retrieve. You can imagine the good girl and rubs she got then. So i left it at that.

Off i went today hunting with e-collar and odie today. Brought her to a spot from my home town were she would normally drives me mad and go deaf to the whistle(snipe country). In we went, she went to go headless....... bang, pip of my whistle(no beep or nothing) and hit dec, i could have kissed the e-collar. So left it at that she quartered every inch of that rushy field in shooting distance . Then in the next field as she hunted the ditch out breaks a snipe from the butt of ditch and pipped the whistle this was ignored but straight away she got the vibration followed by whistle and bang stoped in her tracks, turned around, looked at me and i cast her towards the ditch and back into cover she went. normally she would peg it headless after the snipe but this time no PERFECT. This was the only time i had to use the vibration after that the rest of the day was a pleasure, every now and again if she went to run after black birds or over towards rushes too far away pipped the whistle and straight back with a rub or cast her into cover.

Now i'm no pro but i am just letting you know how i introduced it to my bitch, i am sure other people would do it different but this is what worked for me. i hope this helps.

Sound lad, thanks for that, sounds the job. I wounder after time could you leave it off.

EPointer=Birdss

fiestaman wrote: »

Sound lad, thanks for that, sounds the job. I wounder after time could you leave it off.

You can & there's a dummy collar. I don't put mine on either dog anymore but I find at times I miss the beep. Namely as I could stop the pointer creeping once I see him on a bird. Not a huge issue but more I had got used to the control it gave. From a discipline point of view when he wasn't mature days without the collar were tough but that's the nature of a very hard dog.
The springer & previous springers after a few sessions it was off.

Brazzill

Just a clip of Odie on the second day of wearing e-collar. getting this photo blown up and framed, without the mask haha

Username Exists.

With a head like that no wonder the dog was running away!

Seriously, I have an e-collar for my lab. Great dog but she got into a bad habit of chasing resting birds in the park. i work shift and the other half walks the dog when I'm on days. What can you do, I'm happy to see the dogs walked.
Anyway I bought a sportdog e-collar in the states with beep function.
Great collar, she's responding to the beep every time. Won't chase birds or hares anymore but at three years old i know If she's not wearing the collar she'll start to test the boundaries.
She's young yet so we'll se.

Brazzill

Just a quick update on the collar, i have hunted odie since sunday without any collar. and she is hunting perfect, hares black birds and rush all under control now with just a pip of the whistle. 1 happy customer

fiestaman

Brazzill wrote: »

Just a quick update on the collar, i have hunted odie since sunday without any collar. and she is hunting perfect, hares black birds and rush all under control now with just a pip of the whistle. 1 happy customer

F**king hell boys, they sound good, ive one ordered since saturday. Mite help with my ditch/drain runner.