Those constant 60-80kph drivers.

Mint Sauce

You know the ones. A 100kph national road, breaking for every crest, bump, and turn, and never getting above 70-80kph. Unfortunately there is no safe chance to overtake them, mean while the convey behind them grows. You think to your self, there's a village approaching, there's a wide safe section after it, and you'll accelerate past them after the 100kph marker.

Now before you say think, its a limit, not a target, yada yada yada.

You slow to 50 for the village, as per the speed limit, but yet they pull away, driving over the limit, only slightly slower than what they were doing before. You catch up with them again on the national road, and are stuck again until its safe to pass.

:mad:

drunkmonkey

You need a faster car!!

KwackerJack

You need a motorbike

Or a faster car

ljpg

ye i tend to see this a lot on my commute,usually coffin dodgers behind the wheel.

dgt

Yes, seen this on here before....

Before

Wicklowandy

If the person at the front of the queue either overtook or left space for other people to, rather than driving up the bumper of what they're following, its not as much of an issue.

I take the point though of people way under speed before the 50 zone and breaking it through the village. But if someone chooses to drive under a speed limit, its their business; drive at the speed you feel comfortable at.

If people left more room when travelling in an enforced convoy, it just wouldnt matter.

Fuh Q

Its a massive problem, the fact that they think they are being safe is what is actually dangerous, they live in a world of their own, no other road user matters.

Mint Sauce

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You need a faster car!!

KwackerJack wrote: »

You need a motorbike

Or a faster car

irish-stew wrote: »

...there is no safe chance to overtake them, mean while the convey behind them grows...

...but yet they pull away, driving over the limit, only slightly slower than what they were doing before...

...and are stuck again until its safe to pass...

My car is well capable of passing assuming its safe, but not breaking the limit through a built up area to do so.

KwackerJack

Wicklowandy wrote: »

But if someone chooses to drive under a speed limit, its their business; drive at the speed you feel comfortable at

There lies a problem, A driver is doing 70kph on a 100kph road. A vehicle behind is travelling at 100kph and as he come around a bend 'bang'

Now before the RSA safety people jump in Yes the driver should have slowed at the corner and expected traffic but hey this is real lfie not text book driving.

Its dangerous to go to slow on certain roads as other road user just don't realise that a slower car may be around the corner

DarkJager

If you can't travel at the speed limit of a road, **** off and buy a bicycle.

Wicklowandy

If you cant stop in the distance you can see and anticipate traffic, you 're a danger on the road

What if someones on a pushbike on your side and you meet a lorry coming the other way as you go round the bend?

Mint Sauce

dgt wrote: »

Yes, seen this on here before....

Before

Maybe for driving way below the limit, but haven't seen a thread for continuing to drive around the same speed in a built up area, therefore now breaking the limit.

Mint Sauce

Wicklowandy wrote: »

If the person at the front of the queue either overtook or left space for other people to, rather than driving up the bumper of what they're following, its not as much of an issue.

I take the point though of people way under speed before the 50 zone and breaking it through the village. But if someone chooses to drive under a speed limit, its their business; drive at the speed you feel comfortable at.

If people left more room when travelling in an enforced convoy, it just wouldnt matter.

Fair enough if driving under the limit, but the same driver then continuing at 60 though a 50 zone isn't driving like that because they feel safe, its because they have no clue whats going on around them out side the car.

dgt

irish-stew wrote: »

Maybe for driving way below the limit, but haven't seen a thread for continuing to drive around the same speed in a built up area, therefore now breaking the limit.

Oh those arseholes!

Yes, plenty of mentioning on here too :P

Same speed, everywhere...

Mint Sauce

dgt wrote: »

Oh those arseholes!

Yes, plenty of mentioning on here too :P

Same speed, everywhere...

Yes, them ones.



Did you not read my OP?

Stinicker

I had to give up a college course even though the commute was only 60kms each way. It is an absolute disgrace the amount of unsafe drivers like this on the road. Once I see a Toyota Yaris or Nissan Micra ahead I know I am in trouble, even on good roads it can be hard to get around them with oncoming traffic. I'm lucky I have a fast enough car and can overtake pretty lively but all you need is one or two similar drivers to fall into convoy and overtaking from 3 or 4 cars back can become russian roulette as I learnt last year when some pos decided to overtake without checking his mirrors and I coming from 4 cars behind, boy did I drop anchors in a hurry and only for the hard shoulder on the opposite side I'd have gone straight into the back of him.

Slow drivers like this should get 4 penalty points and a €300 fine for failure to make progress on the road.

Mint Sauce

Stinicker wrote: »

I had to give up a college course even though the commute was only 60kms each way. It is an absolute disgrace the amount of unsafe drivers like this on the road. Once I see a Toyota Yaris or Nissan Micra ahead I know I am in trouble, even on good roads it can be hard to get around them with oncoming traffic. I'm lucky I have a fast enough car and can overtake pretty lively but all you need is one or two similar drivers to fall into convoy and overtaking from 3 or 4 cars back can become russian roulette as I learnt last year when some pos decided to overtake without checking his mirrors and I coming from 4 cars behind, boy did I drop anchors in a hurry and only for the hard shoulder on the opposite side I'd have gone straight into the back of him.

Slow drivers like this should get 4 penalty points and a €300 fine for failure to make progress on the road.

Do it in the drivers test, and you would fail. Although I imagine alot of these drivers received their licence during the amnesty, or whay ever it was called.

Lawless2k12

http://youtu.be/zKLuyuEijJQ

Thats a video when I was travelling a few days ago. The person in the red car stayed in the same gear the whole way and I kept catching up or dropping back. Going uphill they dropped to ~75kmh and on the flat and downhill they were doing ~100 to 110kmh. Couldn't overtake them as I'm driving a 1.2 so I had to put up with changing gears regularly to keep up with their changes in speed :L

areyawell

Stinicker wrote: »

I had to give up a college course even though the commute was only 60kms each way.

Bit over the top. Maybe your the one who shouldn't be on the road!

spurious

Lawless2k12 wrote: »

http://youtu.be/zKLuyuEijJQ

Thats a video when I was travelling a few days ago. The person in the red car stayed in the same gear the whole way and I kept catching up or dropping back. Going uphill they dropped to ~75kmh and on the flat and downhill they were doing ~100 to 110kmh. Couldn't overtake them as I'm driving a 1.2 so I had to put up with changing gears regularly to keep up with their changes in speed :L

Still a right tulip in the black car, judging from how they were behaving behind the red car.

Stinicker

areyawell wrote: »

Bit over the top. Maybe your the one who shouldn't be on the road!

It was a major contributing factor tbh, obviously not the entire reason but if I had motorway for the route it would probably have been enough to keep me motivated.

Pottler

Stinicker wrote: »

It was a major contributing factor tbh, obviously not the entire reason but if I had motorway for the route it would probably have been enough to keep me motivated.

Off topic, but would gaining your qualification not have been the "motivation"??

I also hate the "crawl and brake" brigade, every bend, brake lights flare, every car they meet, brake lights flare. I'm stuck behind, at the same crappy speed, and funnily enough, I've not touched the brakes once. Dabbing the brakes continually does feck all for your speed, it just gets on the goat of the person stuck behind. Sadly, I doubt any of the perps are reading a motoring forum. More likly watching antiques roadshow..

areyawell

It depends on the road, some 80KM roads are terrible and need to alter your speed the whole time and can understand why drivers stay at 50 or 60.

But the 100 km roads with good roads the whole way with people constantly changing speed, going from 60KM to 80kM does my head in. Breaking on every turn when there's no need to. Basically over the white line in the center of the road, speed up when you try to overtake. Met some plonkers on the N25 who did this and speed through villeages in 50 km zones. I dont understand it!

Blazer

get these pricks every day and I hate them.
80kph on the main road, I slow down to 45kph for the village while those muppets continue through about 70kph.
Best thing I ever did was get a more powerful car....it eliminates at least 80% of these assholes..but the worst pricks are the guys in the second and third cars who won't overtake under any circumstances...I really really really hate those fúckers..:mad:

areyawell

They could pull in and let the traffic off but too stupid to even realize what their doing.

Difference Engine

On Monday afternoons I often meet this Merc crawling along at 60 kph on a 100 kph road. You'll eventually get past her, and it is a her, but what drives me crazy is she keeps braking going down hills as if she thinks the car is going to run away from her. Every time she does that someone behind nearly gets rear ended.

skibum

I have two sister in laws who drive like this, they classify them selves as "safe drivers" B0ll0x !!, my wife who drives like miss daisy even commented on the fact that one of them drove most of the way from dublin to athlone in the right hand lane "at the speed limit" while the left lane was empty.... when my wife commented on the fact that the driver should move over to the left, the drivers reply was " feck them, I'm doing 120 !!"
My wife said there was a huge tail back behind, plus a lot of cars were undertaking them.......

These comments were coming from some one who is a stereotypical back seat driver, even she knew that her sister was acting the b0llix :cool:

monkeysnapper

I was actually thinking yesterday. These slow drivers, if they drove a little faster they would probably be very dangerous because they can't handle a car, they probably shouldn't even be on the road, if there was a test every 10 years a lot of people would be kicked off the road . That sounds ok to me. If I get to the stage I'm a danger on the roads take me off it

bladespin

Probably mentioned already but the worst IMO are the 60-80 kmh goons that maintain even into the 50 kmh limit (particularly annoying past a school close to me) never fails to boil my blood as I'm sure they're completely convinced they're the safest drivers in the world and the rest of us are accidents waiting to happen.

Lawless2k12

I think the driving test should incorporate driving on at least one 100kmh road and possibly a motorway. I think in Sweden they have like 3 or 4 parts to their test including skid control. When you look at it, our test is actually one of the easiest no matter how many people say its hard! And I also think that anyone 50 or older should have to re-sit their test as many were gifted them in the first place. I'm not saying they cause trouble on the road, but at least this way everyone would have to re-sit their test at some point and after about 30 years (I know its a long time) all drivers will have gone thru the new test.

It would be unrealistic to have everyone sit a new test as there would be havoc in the test centres but this system would reduce number applying substantially, although it would still involve a hape of work!

irish-stew

irish-stew wrote: »

You know the ones. A 100kph national road, breaking for every crest, bump, and turn, and never getting above 70-80kph. Unfortunately there is no safe chance to overtake them, mean while the convey behind them grows. You think to your self, there's a village approaching, there's a wide safe section after it, and you'll accelerate past them after the 100kph marker.

Now before you say think, its a limit, not a target, yada yada yada.

You slow to 50 for the village, as per the speed limit, but yet they pull away, driving over the limit, only slightly slower than what they were doing before. You catch up with them again on the national road, and are stuck again until its safe to pass.

:mad:

Could it be that the person driving 70-80 kph are the ones that actually leave in plenty of time to make their journey ? And the one driving 100+ kph over taking everything will just be the quickest to the traffic jam ?

Could it be that the one who likes to do always the speed limit + is the one that leaves at the last minute, or likes to race the arrival time of the sat nav ?

I see it every morning, the idiot swapping lanes undertaking overtaking in and out of lanes and they might get 10 mins ahead ?

Sure slow drivers could use the left lane, or pull into the shoulder to allow someone pass which is not illegal if the shoulder has broken lines.

I leave in plenty of time so I can have stress free driving.

Maybe the slower driver is trying to save fuel, but either way if you don't like it take the bus.

djimi

Lawless2k12 wrote: »

And I also think that anyone 50 or older should have to re-sit their test as many were gifted them in the first place. I'm not saying they cause trouble on the road, but at least this way everyone would have to re-sit their test at some point and after about 30 years (I know its a long time) all drivers will have gone thru the new test.

There is something like less than 3% of the total number of drivers on the road today who were "gifted" their license, and thats assuming all of those amnesty liceneses are still in circulation (which is highly unlikely).

Im inclined to agree with periodic retests, but why only over 50? Why not every 10 years? The biggest offenders on the roads are those in the decade or so after they pass their test, where they think they know it all and are inclined to slack off. Its something that we are all guilty of. If people knew that getting your full license was only one of the first steps in your driver education, rather than the last time you will ever have to think about it as it is now, then people might be more inclined to want to keep on progressing their driving skills after they pass the test, in the knowledge that they will have to take another test in the not too distant future.

Wishbone Ash

KwackerJack wrote: »

Its dangerous to go to slow on certain roads as other road user just don't realise that a slower car may be around the corner

Some categories of vehicles are legally limited to a speed less than the posted road limit (e.g. 65kph). As these vehicles are quite entitled to share the public road with you, I'd be interested to hear how you deal with them if you have trouble dealing with 'cars' driving under the limit.

Drivers who "just don't realise" would be more of a problem than slower drivers.

borderlinemeath

Deleted User wrote: »

Could it be that the person driving 70-80 kph are the ones that actually leave in plenty of time to make their journey ? And the one driving 100+ kph over taking everything will just be the quickest to the traffic jam ?

Could it be that the one who likes to do always the speed limit + is the one that leaves at the last minute, or likes to race the arrival time of the sat nav ?

I leave in plenty of time, but on decent N roads and motorways I use cruise control. Driving behind gobshiites that can't maintain a consistent speed is head wrecking.

I see it every morning, the idiot swapping lanes undertaking overtaking in and out of lanes and they might get 10 mins ahead ?

Sure slow drivers could use the left lane, or pull into the shoulder to allow someone pass which is not illegal if the shoulder has broken lines.

I leave in plenty of time so I can have stress free driving.

Maybe the slower driver is trying to save fuel, but either way if you don't like it take the bus.

It's rarely about saving fuel, it's about not being aware of the road that they're on. I pass by people that are asleep at the wheel all the time, they've no awareness of their surroundings, no awareness of the cars/trucks/buses behind them. They tend to get 'woken up' when overtaken, almost a startled 'where the hell did that car come from' look.

MargeS

Why is 50kph a target during the test but 60/80/100 are not?
If you don't keep up with traffic or hit 50kph in your test it's marked against you.

corktina

well I went to Mallow train station today and I had plenty of time, took it easy and chatted with my Daughter all the way....I doubt I went under 100 though....