Pretending to be under age

Twoandahalfmen

Just say your 15 and buy a child ticket could you be denied one because they dobt believe you, also say you got past that, what would happen if a ticket inspector gave you a fine for buying a childs ticket but you were sold one at the ticket booth.

Victor

15 year olds are entitled to purchase child tickets, but only if they can prove they are under 16. A child Leap Card or Schoolchild ID will achieve this.

It is the passenger's responsibility to have the correct ID, it is not the ticket office's responsibility to ensure that you do your part of the job - for all they know, you are buying the ticket for a younger sibling.

anirishlad

they'll ring your parents if they dont believe you and ask them for your date of birth, friend got a 121 euro fine for trying to get away with a child ticket as a 17 year old

CIE

This is why other countries have the age cutoff level for half-fare at 12 (not as hard to discern age), or alternately the height of a fare box on a bus (if you're taller than the fare box you pay full fare) or a height marker at a ticket booth.

gobnaitolunacy

I just wear a baseball hat arseways and pretend to like rap and Jedward.

AlekSmart

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

I just wear a baseball hat arseways and pretend to like rap and Jedward.

But what about the 5 O Clock shadow Gobnait....?

Ted_YNWA

Was getting an Expressway service a few weeks ago, said destination.

Driver asked had I a student card, replied " i don't have it on me".

"sure Ill give you a student ticket, save you a few bob".

i'm 29 & left college 7 years ..

Record can state, I did not lie

Seaswimmer

Victor wrote: »

15 year olds are entitled to purchase child tickets, but only if they can prove they are under 16. A child Leap Card or Schoolchild ID will achieve this.

It is the passenger's responsibility to have the correct ID, it is not the ticket office's responsibility to ensure that you do your part of the job - for all they know, you are buying the ticket for a younger sibling.

I mentioned this before but its worth repeating..

Even if you have the correct ticket be it child (U16) or scholar (16-18) neither are valid without the correct ID. My 18 year old was put off a Dublin bus last year and his 10 trip scholar card confiscated (with 9 trips still on it) because he didnt have the photo ID needed..

corktina

sure why bother lying about your age, just don't buy a ticket, save a few more quid and then lie about your name and address if you are challenged.

If you are going to screw CIE (and the rest of us of course) then whats the difference?

Aard

In Nice for example, it's impossible to buy a child's ticket on board. The only way of getting a discount is by buying a monthly ticket. Same for uner-25s.

AlekSmart

Aard wrote: »

In Nice for example, it's impossible to buy a child's ticket on board. The only way of getting a discount is by buying a monthly ticket. Same for uner-25s.

Well spotted Aard.

It's somewhat educational to note just how many peeps consider children/student fare reductions as a "right" rather than the "Concession" which they are.

Along with the significant changes looming in the DSP Free Pass system over the next two years, it will indeed be a very interesting time to be people watching :eek:

parsi

Aard wrote: »

In Nice for example, it's impossible to buy a child's ticket on board. The only way of getting a discount is by buying a monthly ticket. Same for uner-25s.

Same too in Brittany (St Malo/Rennes operator). The walk-up fare is the same for everyone.

Victor

corktina wrote: »

sure why bother lying about your age, just don't buy a ticket, save a few more quid and then lie about your name and address if you are challenged.

If you are going to screw CIE (and the rest of us of course) then whats the difference?

And you risk getting into even more trouble.

corktina

Victor wrote: »

And you risk getting into even more trouble.

irony lost on you vic?:D

Twoandahalfmen

This is not true BTW

What would happen if yea you were 15 and bought a child ticket which your entitled to do. the ticket inspector got on and taught you were 16 and you started having a go at him

Telling him to f off and giving him dogs abuse. Would he have anyright to call the police as he is in the wrong and you are right would he have any right to hold you back or could you

KevR

Why would you even want to do that?

Yes, I'd expect to be thrown off if I gave a member of staff dogs abuse for any reason.

He wouldn't "be in the wrong". He is doing his job and part of his job is to stop people travelling on an incorrect ticket. If he genuinely thinks you are too old then he well within his rights to question you. At which point you should remain calm and explain the situation. He has made an honest mistake (everyone is allowed to make mistakes), you all move on happily with your lives.

Lapin

Twoandahalfmen wrote: »

This is not true BTW

What would happen if yea you were 15 and bought a child ticket which your entitled to do. the ticket inspector got on and taught you were 16 and you started having a go at him

Telling him to f off and giving him dogs abuse. Would he have anyright to call the police as he is in the wrong and you are right would he have any right to hold you back or could you

There is so much wrong with this thread its hard to know where to begin.

Nobody in any workplace deserves any kind of abuse for simply doing their job.

Its up to the ticket holder to prove they are entitled to the ticket they have.

Your post does little to present the 15 - 16 age group in a positive light.

hfallada

No. He takes your name, address and number. Then they send out a letter to you telling you have been fined. But all you have to do is go into the Dublin bus head quarters and get the student travel card and the fine is gone.

There is not point getting the travel card until they stop you and ask for it. Some of my friends are 19/20 using the child ticket and are never caught by inspectors. I have only seen them 4 times using buses for 8 years

Lapin

^^^ That post assumes the OP is on about Dublin Bus.


If it were Irish Rail he would be far more likely to meet an inspector.

goingnowhere

Twoandahalfmen wrote: »

Telling him to f off and giving him dogs abuse. Would he have anyright to call the police as he is in the wrong and you are right would he have any right to hold you back or could you

They have the power to detain and arrest you, plus "having a go", i.e. acting the hard man, by refusal to give name and address, verbal abuse etc are all offences. Its your obligation to prove you are entitled to the concession fare.

doubletrouble?

once you start giving him abuse yes he has the right to call the guards. put it simply. he is right to ask for i.d. and you are wrong to be abusive. there is absolutely no need for this thread. i smell a rat and possibly a troll.

foggy_lad

If they suspect you are a minor they must treat you and deal with you appropriately as laid down in company guidelines and in law.

liger

Twoandahalfmen wrote: »

This is not true BTW

What would happen if yea you were 15 and bought a child ticket which your entitled to do. the ticket inspector got on and taught you were 16 and you started having a go at him

Children's Fares

Children under 16 years of age are charged fares in accordance with the child or school child fare scale. An official statement confirming a child's age may be obtained at Dublin Bus, 59 Upper O'Connell Street, on production of the appropriate birth certificate.

In the event of a dispute over entitlement to child fares, passengers will be asked to produce evidence of their age. The decision of the Dublin Bus official will apply to these passengers. Appeals against such decisions may be made to our Head Office at %9 Upper O'Connell Street, (01) 8734222.

Twoandahalfmen wrote: »

Telling him to f off and giving him dogs abuse. Would he have anyright to call the police as he is in the wrong and you are right would he have any right to hold you back or could you

No person shall behave in a riotous, disorderly, indecent or offensive manner in or about the vehicle

(a) Any person who is reasonably suspected by an authorised person of contravening or of attempting to contravene these Bye-Laws may be removed from the vehicle by an authorised person or a member of the Garda Síochána acting on the request of such authorised person.
(b) In the exercise of the power conferred on him under paragraph (a) of this Bye-Law an authorised person or member of the Garda Síochána may use such reasonable force as is necessary.

Thats For DB anyway

foggy_lad

liger wrote: »

No person shall behave in a riotous, disorderly, indecent or offensive manner in or about the vehicle

(a) Any person who is reasonably suspected by an authorised person of contravening or of attempting to contravene these Bye-Laws may be removed from the vehicle by an authorised person or a member of the Garda Síochána acting on the request of such authorised person.
(b) In the exercise of the power conferred on him under paragraph (a) of this Bye-Law an authorised person or member of the Garda Síochána may use such reasonable force as is necessary.

Thats For DB anyway

The part in bold print is where it becomes very cloudy when any minor is concerned and once an authorised person has been told by a person that they are a minor that authorised person must behave in an appropriate manner towards the person claiming to be a minor.

monument

OP -- you or your imaginary friend should buy the right ticket, and if needed have ID to support your use of that ticket.

Threads merged and closed -- do not start another along the same type of issue.

AlekSmart

foggy_lad wrote: »

If they suspect you are a minor they must treat you and deal with you appropriately as laid down in company guidelines and in law.

There's no "suspect" about it Foggy.

Try looking for a "Child-Fare" on Ryanair or Aer Lingus and lettus know how ye fare-out.... :rolleyes:

Many people feel aggrieved with the fact that Childrens Fares are offered at the companies discretion,and subject to the claimant being in possession of the required documentation to support that claim.


In the case of BAC it,s this....

Children's Fares

Children under 16 years of age are charged fares in accordance with the child or school child fare scale. An official statement confirming a child's age may be obtained at Dublin Bus, 59 Upper O'Connell Street, on production of the appropriate birth certificate.

Note that it's not the Birth Certificate itself,but the Company Age Statement letter which satisfies this requirement.

If you are a "minor",you will have the relevant proof,if not your an Adult...simple.

The RPA/Veolia are having similar problems,particularly on the Red Line,with gangs of delinquent "untouchables".

In true Irish style,the problem has been allowed to develop to the point where even Garda intervention is now virtually meaningless.

monument

Ah, when the threads were merged it became unlocked.

Locked again.