Superstars

RandyMann

Anyone see this on Sat ? Anthony Joshua (super heavyweight boxer) does 100m in 11.53 while Mo Farah does it in 12.98
What surprises me is that the Brownlees only manage 14 secs plus...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjwye6P0Kpc

dev123

Was there any chance they didn't want to get injured? The Brownlees were shocking in the javelin but it looked like they weren't really putting there backs into it.

menoscemo

RandyMann wrote: »

Anyone see this on Sat ? Anthony Joshua (super heavyweight boxer) does 100m in 11.53 while Mo Farah does it in 12.98
What surprises me is that the Brownlees only manage 14 secs plus...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjwye6P0Kpc

Yeah I saw it alright. Joshua is a great athlete. He was third in 2:20ish for 800m as well (farah wasn't allowed to run that) while both Brownlees were about 2:03?? so effectively the Bronwlees averaged the same pace over 800 as over 100m.

RandyMann

dev123 wrote: »

Was there any chance they didn't want to get injured? The Brownlees were shocking in the javelin but it looked like they weren't really putting there backs into it.

Honestly dont know as I didnt see the show. I found the link on lets run. Do you know who won it?

RandyMann

menoscemo wrote: »

Yeah I saw it alright. Joshua is a great athlete. He was third in 2:20ish for 800m as well (farah wasn't allowed to run that) while both Brownlees were about 2:03?? so effectively the Bronwlees averaged the same pace over 800 as over 100m.

Amazing how such a big guy can move that quick !

menoscemo

RandyMann wrote: »

Honestly dont know as I didnt see the show. I found the link on lets run. Do you know who won it?

Joshua won the Javelin with 36m. Surprisinly Farah was second in 35m.

Joshua won the event overall by a long way. He was a great all rounder.

hardCopy

Anthony Joshua had it wrapped up before the last event, the gym test. Mo and the Brownlees were fairly poor there too.

martyboy48

RandyMann wrote: »

Amazing how such a big guy can move that quick !

Bet you say that to all the guys :eek::eek:

/gets coat:pac:

Didn't see this programme, was it the same format as the Irish program years ago which I think had the same name?? Think Jimmy Magee was involved???(only have vague childhood memores of it )

Pisco Sour

Mo Farah closed his 10000m in London in 53 last lap. Granted it was a flying start but 12.98 seems very slow. Maybe he has poor acceleration but something isn't right about that time. My guess would have been he wasn't running flat out but you can see a grimace on his face in that replay. Not great conditions though, and there's no mention of the wind, and it's winter time so he probably hasn't done much speed work yet.

Pisco Sour

Good debate about it here:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=4974206&page=0

This comment in particular is interesting:

Max start velocity for Mo would be about 18.5 miles/hour. Thus, yes it would be aroudn 49 seconds(consider this-when applying to over 400 meters you consider that the start hampers the athlete by 0.75 second per 100m. When looking at the first 10 meters comparative to an athlete of high caliber who does a GOOD acceleration, we can see the start costs about ~0.85-0.9 seconds(see Bolts 8.70 relay split and 9.58 WR 100m). Keep in mind we are multiplying this by a factor of 4 and then subtracting by 0.9 for start in a 400(so actually multiply by a factor of 3).

This comes out to about 49 pace, which with his endurance, in the 100 meter, in better conditions, and harder pushed would be about 12.7 seconds. Thus, comes out to about 48.2 pace for 100 meters(based on effort) or near this.


At best speed phase, he could probably do ~12.4 from blocks, which indicates ~47 even spread effort, with more block work maybe ~46.5 even spread effort. Of course, considering the longetivity of the 400 meter, we can add about 3 seconds to this time(based on endurance, for sprint athlete would be 4) and assume at best shape he could run 49.5-50 flat 400m. This seems about right, these guys are not blazing fast 400m runners... Especially Mo, who Salazar has said has less basic speed then Galen except Mo is able to sustain a harder pace at the end of a more difficult effort better than Galen. So maybe Galen is 49.5, Mo 50-50.5.

Seems about right, actually. People say how slow "only" sub-13 is, but these guys are distance runners and have little basic block work or acceleration/standing start work at all, they really are very, very slow 100m runners. This shouldn't surprise anyone, especially given the conditions and period of time when this was run. Nothing to see here except delusions distance runners are actually good at sprinting. Move along please.

robinph

I had tickets for the filming of Superstars and it was properly nasty weather on the first day of it. Luckily it was the kayaking and swimming that we got in to see so was nice and warm and dry in there to watch. From what they showed on the telly the Brownlees appeared to be properly racing each other, admittedly the rest of the race was well over 100m behind them so it was only the two of them racing, but they looked like they were going for it.

They were the only ones that had any kind of skill in the kayaks and were certainly racing that so I don't think there was any idea in anyones heads about not trying to win the events. What was surprising was that the rowers couldn't kayak, they were excluded from the event due to it being too similar to their own sport, but they couldn't seem to do it anyway as they had no balance.

walshb

Joshua winning doesn't surprise me. He looks in some shape. Not saying appeance counts for everything. Still slow compared to Jonah Lomu's rumoured 11 second 100 meters in his heyday.

walshb

Regarding Mo and his time. He can run 53 seconds on the last 400 of a 10 k, but wouldn't his legs and muscles be perfectly warmed up and in top condition? Sure, he has already run 9900 metres, but if the pace was good to him then these athletes can run almost flat out over the last 400 metres. A standing start 100 meters is a lot different.

Maybe Mo was not sufficiently warmed up enough to maximise his time. Maybe he is so used to longer runs that it just didn't feel natural to run a flat 100 meters from a start position. I wouldn't be surprised if Mo ran a faster 100 metres after running a good 3-4 kms first. Wee break, and then a 100 meters run from a start position.

drquirky

walshb wrote: »

Joshua winning doesn't surprise me. He looks in some shape. Not saying appeance counts for everything. Still slow compared to Jonah Lomu's rumoured 11 second 100 meters in his heyday.

That is crawling compared to what NFL players tend to run in these comps....Bo Jackson on Superstars in the USA was a sight to behold. Have a look at some of these 100m pb's

Deion Sanders 10.21....Darrell Green 10.08- a full second faster than Lomu

http://www.helloloser.com/2012/09/15/the-bo-jacksondeion-sanders-debate-who-was-faster/

RandyMann

Pisco Sour wrote: »

Good debate about it here:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=4974206&page=0

This comment in particular is interesting:

Max start velocity for Mo would be about 18.5 miles/hour. Thus, yes it would be aroudn 49 seconds(consider this-when applying to over 400 meters you consider that the start hampers the athlete by 0.75 second per 100m. When looking at the first 10 meters comparative to an athlete of high caliber who does a GOOD acceleration, we can see the start costs about ~0.85-0.9 seconds(see Bolts 8.70 relay split and 9.58 WR 100m). Keep in mind we are multiplying this by a factor of 4 and then subtracting by 0.9 for start in a 400(so actually multiply by a factor of 3).

This comes out to about 49 pace, which with his endurance, in the 100 meter, in better conditions, and harder pushed would be about 12.7 seconds. Thus, comes out to about 48.2 pace for 100 meters(based on effort) or near this.


At best speed phase, he could probably do ~12.4 from blocks, which indicates ~47 even spread effort, with more block work maybe ~46.5 even spread effort. Of course, considering the longetivity of the 400 meter, we can add about 3 seconds to this time(based on endurance, for sprint athlete would be 4) and assume at best shape he could run 49.5-50 flat 400m. This seems about right, these guys are not blazing fast 400m runners... Especially Mo, who Salazar has said has less basic speed then Galen except Mo is able to sustain a harder pace at the end of a more difficult effort better than Galen. So maybe Galen is 49.5, Mo 50-50.5.

Seems about right, actually. People say how slow "only" sub-13 is, but these guys are distance runners and have little basic block work or acceleration/standing start work at all, they really are very, very slow 100m runners. This shouldn't surprise anyone, especially given the conditions and period of time when this was run. Nothing to see here except delusions distance runners are actually good at sprinting. Move along please.

Good anology above. 100m proves that it is purely a power event with regard to acceleration from 0 velocity.

walshb

drquirky wrote: »

That is crawling compared to what NFL players tend to run in these comps....Bo Jackson on Superstars in the USA was a sight to behold. Have a look at some of these 100m pb's

Deion Sanders 10.21....Darrell Green 10.08- a full second faster than Lomu

http://www.helloloser.com/2012/09/15/the-bo-jacksondeion-sanders-debate-who-was-faster/

Green was legendary. There is a great youtube highlight of him, and in one bit he chases down the great Eric Dickerson. One of very very few to be able to do this. Green's 40 yard dash times are pretty damn fast.

Mo being slower than a non runner over 100 doesn't surprise me at all. Even if Joshua is so big and heavy.