M50 Toll rear camera

mikeecho

Has anyone ever received a toll from the M50 after Tailgating a truck etc
There was mention before that rear camera had been installed, but i know of people that still tailgate trucks thru the toll, and they haven't received any tolls etc

** I think everyone here is aware of the illegality**
** and dangers of tailgating, **
** so i don t think it need be mentioned **

kirving

It's retarded. €3 isn't worth hitting the back of a truck.

ZENER

Isn't it called Tollgating ? Scares the crap out of me when I see cars accelerating up behind trucks and driving a couple of meters behind them ! The truck driver has no idea there's anything that close behind, insane suicidal behavior for the sake of a couple of euro !

Ken

keith16

I have never even tried this idiotic move. Just drive through without a second thought and pay the €3. Jesus Christ, the lengths some people go to stinge is beyond reprehensible sometimes.

Mar4ix

I think o2 has an option , send a text message to pay for toll, but i think that great idea.

I've only ever seen it happen once and it was a guy in a brand new range rover sport :rolleyes:

skibum

Would a very small percentage of these suicidal nut's be driving stolen car's not wanting to be recorded or are they all just too miserable to pay like the rest of us?

keithclancy

Still can't believe the M50 is a toll road ...

FFS How long have there been road works on it.

And why the 100km speed limit.

Wheelnut

The OP asked a question about rear cameras on the M50 and made it very clear that all are aware of the dangers and illegality. So far no-one has answered the question and everyone (except post 8) has preached about what is already acknowledged!
Post 8 seems to be on a different subject.

pa990

mikeecho wrote: »

** I think everyone here is aware of the illegality**
** and dangers of tailgating, **
** so i don t think it need be mentioned **

. . . .

flazio

Let's face it, no one here is going to admit to tailgating and getting away with it. They'd be virtually lynched in here.

keith16

Wheelnut wrote: »

The OP asked a question about rear cameras on the M50 and made it very clear that all are aware of the dangers and illegality. So far no-one has answered the question and everyone (except post 8) has preached about what is already acknowledged!
Post 8 seems to be on a different subject.

Dangers and illegality have been mentioned, but not the stinge and sheer stupidity of it.

Cabaal

mikeecho wrote: »

** I think everyone here is aware of the illegality**
** and dangers of tailgating, **
** so i don t think it need be mentioned **

Sadly, its clear that it does need to be mentioned again and again and again as there's obviously a good few thick f*cks in this country that think its a good idea to drive that close to a truck or bus to save a few euro.

Nice to think the idiots think their lives are worth so little, its somehow comforting that they class themselves so low on the scale of life.

I just pity the innocent truck or bus driver

mullingar

http://www.ghostplate.com/

mikeecho

OK.. lets rephrase it

Has anyone ever received a toll from the M50 when they had a damaged or missing front number plate
There was mention before that rear camera had been installed, but i know of people that don't have front plates visible when they pass thru the toll, and they haven't received any tolls etc

any constructive comment ?

eringobragh

rear facing cameras have been there since 2011

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0530/breaking37.html

deandean

Cripes is anyone capable of answering the OP without jumping on the yada yada wagon?
I had it from a good source that the rear facing cameras are just spin, it is too complicated to do it automatically and too time consuming to review all footsge manually.
The main risk in tollgting is that you'll get spotted by an unmarked garda car and boy will they throw the book at you.
AFAIK there has never been a collision from tollgating. The noise was from the NRA spending some of their 15 million annual budget to highlight & reduce a dangerous act.

eringobragh

take off your front reg plate so and see if the toll arrives would be the easiest way to test if rear facing cameras are there

eFlow: Reps

Hi all,

We couldn't agree more with the majority of posters on this thread condemning this reckless type of driving. eFlow and An Garda Siochana take tailgating very seriously as it affects road safety. An Garda Siochana have been very active in prosecuting such dangerous driving practices. Regarding damaged licence plates, this is also a matter for the Garda. The combination of both camera systems means that avoiding paying tolls is virtually impossible anyway, making this even more pointless

The standard toll on the M50 is €3.10, however if you register your vehicle with eFlow on a Video Registered a/c, a €0.50 discount per M50 toll applies. For more regular users, a Tag a/c is recommended. M50 tolls using an eFlow Tag are discounted by €1.00 per journey and they also work on the other toll roads in Ireland

Regards,

Ciaran.

ironclaw

mullingar wrote: »

http://www.ghostplate.com/

Actually worked on a few cars in America with these and similar designs. DO NOT bother. They don't work and are painfully obvious. They also begin to yellow in sunlight. I could go on and on, but your just asking for a Traffic Corp bo**ocking and a fine.

The key to them not working, and especially with speed cameras (i.e. An Garda & GoSafe), is that the photo taken is normally a full spectrum photo which is way beyond your usual digital camera. So it looks like it works to you. But you can just flip the image and the plate is visible as if nothing is there. Same would somewhat apply to the M50 as its a IR equipped system.

You have to remember that America has really lack advertising laws. You can literally say anything you want about a product and never have to really prove it works.

If you really don't want to pay the fine, just go through Chapelizod. Anywhere outside rush hour and you'll fly along. Then again it would be rather stingy to avoid €3.10.

Wheelnut

eFlow: Reps wrote: »

Hi all,
We couldn't agree more with the majority of posters on this thread condemning ...

Blah, blah, blah! More of the same. The OP acknowledged that it is wrong but he was asking a question about rear cameras and that still hasn't been answered. - or has it? What's this:

eFlow: Reps wrote: »

The combination of both camera systems means that avoiding paying tolls is virtually impossible anyway

It's a pity that the one body that could give a categorical answer just fudges it. However I'm glad that they didn't take advantage of the thread for a little self-promo.
:P

eFlow: Reps wrote: »

The standard toll on the M50 is €3.10, however if you register your vehicle with eFlow on a Video Registered a/c, a €0.50 discount per M50 toll applies. For more regular users, a Tag a/c is recommended. M50 tolls using an eFlow Tag are discounted by €1.00 per journey and they also work on the other toll roads in Ireland[/COLOR]

:eek:

Cienciano

It's still free for motorbikes, it wasn't when there were barriers. If they had rear facing cameras that work I'd guess that they'd start charging bikes again.

Grass between the tracks

10 cent increase? Sneaky.

AndyTheDude

eFlow: Reps wrote: »

Hi all,

We couldn't agree more with the majority of posters on this thread condemning this reckless type of driving. eFlow and An Garda Siochana take tailgating very seriously as it affects road safety. An Garda Siochana have been very active in prosecuting such dangerous driving practices. Regarding damaged licence plates, this is also a matter for the Garda. The combination of both camera systems means that avoiding paying tolls is virtually impossible anyway, making this even more pointless

The standard toll on the M50 is €3.10, however if you register your vehicle with eFlow on a Video Registered a/c, a €0.50 discount per M50 toll applies. For more regular users, a Tag a/c is recommended. M50 tolls using an eFlow Tag are discounted by €1.00 per journey and they also work on the other toll roads in Ireland

Regards,

Ciaran.

Not true. I know a guy who takes his front reg plate before merging onto the m50. He's never paid the toll.

I simply don't use M50 at all when I'm driving my own car. I prefer to go through the city and pollute it even more. No double taxation for me, good sir.

Grass between the tracks

AndyTheDude wrote: »

Not true. I know a guy who takes his front reg plate before merging onto the m50. He's never paid the toll.

I simply don't use M50 at all when I'm driving my own car. I prefer to go through the city and pollute it even more. No double taxation for me, good sir.

I would concur. There are many cars running around with no front plates.

kirving

AndyTheDude wrote: »

Not true. I know a guy who takes his front reg plate before merging onto the m50. He's never paid the toll.

€3.10 is ridiculous money for little bridge, but taking off reg probably isn't worth the effort.

To put it in context, the Golden Gate bridge is €4.50, and the Millau Viaduct is €6.70. Double the price, yeah, but just look at it!

As for the second post in the thread, I didn't see the part of the OP mentioning the stupididy of tailgating as it was centred.

awec

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mikeecho

I was only qurious if the rear facing cameras actually exist, or is a myth/spin

Because they would have to be of the same type as the forward cameras, ie would need to have InfraRed capability etc

Looking at street view (which may be out of date) you cannot see any rear cameras.

I was not advocating Tollgating/ Tailgating etc, hence why i put in the disclaimer in the 1st post (which i now see was pointless going by some of the posts recieved)

dickwod1

"My friend" tailgated a truck just after the news came out about the rear facing cameras and got a fine €3+3 for non payment,

I told him he was stupid for tailgaiting - risking his life and every other road user within 50m of him at the time and he swore he would never do it again.

Cienciano

awec wrote: »

Think the 100km limit is there due to the relatively narrow lanes and the frequency of exits.

TBH, I thought the 100kph was stupid, but on the M50 it's justified most of the time.

goz83

Cienciano wrote: »

TBH, I thought the 100kph was stupid, but on the M50 it's justified most of the time.

It just proves what people have been saying for years. The M50 is just a glorified dual carriage way.

I used one of those ghost plate things (not exactly the same thing) a few years ago for a few trips across the M50 and it worked perfectly. I used little velcro thingies to stick it on and then just pull it off after exiting the motorway. Was going through a phase of hating the M50 toll. Now I just use one of those mini tags, which lets me skip the queue at the other toll roads when I use them.

I do believe the rear facing cams are there, but if they work, I don't think there is a system to synchronise plate reading. When they start charging bikes, you'll know the system is up and running.

keithclancy

deandean wrote: »

Cripes is anyone capable of answering the OP without jumping on the yada yada wagon?
I had it from a good source that the rear facing cameras are just spin, it is too complicated to do it automatically and too time consuming to review all footsge manually.
The main risk in tollgting is that you'll get spotted by an unmarked garda car and boy will they throw the book at you.
AFAIK there has never been a collision from tollgating. The noise was from the NRA spending some of their 15 million annual budget to highlight & reduce a dangerous act.

From: Link

Later it looks like they upgraded it:
http://www.carra.ie/assets/53/353CB1A9-F491-D900-6BD6E8D1220B1143_document/M50_Roadside_Equipment_Case_Study_-_v1.0.pdf

26 gantry-mounted beacon tag readers, 18 ANPR cameras, 8 gantry-mounted over lane lasers for the vehicles detections and Classification (OSIS), 17 video cameras (VAS), 4 Cameras for the count/classification and 13 CCTV Cameras for the site safety.

Your probably right though, any rear facing camera would have to be manually reviewed and someone would have to be sitting there to watch all of the footage and even then all they could do is send a non payment message, I haven't heard of anyone being done for tailgating with CCTV Footage.

Saying that its not worth it, you could cause a massive pileup and the truck your tailgating cannot see you.

Also, I know for a fact that the system doesn't link up with foreign Vehicle Registration Databases.

dave45dave

mikeecho wrote: »

The rear view camera doesn't work , travelled M50 twice a day for 10 months with no front reg on my van and never received a toll bill.

Don't see the point in paying for a road that's already paid for.
Van is also fully taxed and has a full doe , before people jump on the band wagon at me.

0ph0rce0

€3.10, Cheeky ***** put it up 10 cent.

**** that i'm getting a car that drives sideways

Try and take a picture of my plates then mr eflow rep

mikeecho

ok

it seems that the rear camera are only cctv , if they exist at all.