Cape Tribulation

Luca Brasi

Cape Tribulation won at Cheltenham and Aintree last year with Denis O Regan on board. Anyhone know why O Reagan wasnt on the horse when winning at Wetherby on Wednesday.

RichieLawlor

Luca Brasi wrote: »

Cape Tribulation won at Cheltenham and Aintree last year with Denis O Regan on board. Anyhone know why O Reagan wasnt on the horse when winning at Wetherby on Wednesday.

He was at Kempton to ride the Christmas Hurdle favourite

Luca Brasi

RichieLawlor wrote: »

He was at Kempton to ride the Christmas Hurdle favourite

I saw that allright but wondered was there anything else the matter. He booted in another today, Chat Room at 5/1.
He is a tidy jockey and is a great trier even on outsiders.

RichieLawlor

Luca Brasi wrote: »

I saw that allright but wondered was there anything else the matter. He booted in another today, Chat Room at 5/1.
He is a tidy jockey and is a great trier even on outsiders.

Nothing else, he had the choice between the favourite in a 200k grade one race or the third favourite in a 20k handicap

SRFC

Luca Brasi wrote: »

I saw that allright but wondered was there anything else the matter. He booted in another today, Chat Room at 5/1.
He is a tidy jockey and is a great trier even on outsiders.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D


O regan always tries pull my other leg have a look at the ride on tweedledrum at fontwell I think it was last season came out an won a listed handicap yesterday in Kempton


Bridle jockey too cocky aswell

bit of a bogey

Dont think theres any jockey whos always trying. I think Davy Russell generally is provided hes not riding for Byrnes or Gigginstown. Similarily AP if not riding for Jonjo or McManus.

mountai

bit of a bogey wrote: »

Dont think theres any jockey whos always trying. I think Davy Russell generally is provided hes not riding for Byrnes or Gigginstown. Similarily AP if not riding for Jonjo or McManus.

Russell ---- Byrnes ---- Gigginstown . AP ---- Jonjo --- MCmanus. Do you mean both these jockies sometimes DONT try when riding for these connections?? I"m a bit confused by your statement

mr.jingle

mountai wrote: »

Russell ---- Byrnes ---- Gigginstown . AP ---- Jonjo --- MCmanus. Do you mean both these jockies sometimes DONT try when riding for these connections?? I"m a bit confused by your statement

I think they mean the opposite either way there talking absolute bullsh!t something that has become accustomed to this forum nowadays unfortunately:rolleyes:

bit of a bogey

mountai wrote: »

Russell ---- Byrnes ---- Gigginstown . AP ---- Jonjo --- MCmanus. Do you mean both these jockies sometimes DONT try when riding for these connections?? I"m a bit confused by your statement

Yes what I mean is that Russell or McCoy are nearly always trying. The only ones they generally do stop horses for are Byrnes-Gigginstown or Jonjo-McManus.

SRFC

bit of a bogey wrote: »

Yes what I mean is that Russell or McCoy are nearly always trying. The only ones they generally do stop horses for are Byrnes-Gigginstown or Jonjo-McManus.

Give up racing if you honestly think Gigginstown horses dont run on merit seriously.

mountai

SRFC wrote: »

Give up racing if you honestly think Gigginstown horses dont run on merit seriously.

Or that Byrnes would DARE to tell Russell to STOP one of his horses

bit of a bogey

SRFC wrote: »

Give up racing if you honestly think Gigginstown horses dont run on merit seriously.

I think your the one who needs to open their eyes. Russell will often school a Gigginstown horse.

SRFC

bit of a bogey wrote: »

I think your the one who needs to open their eyes. Russell will often school a Gigginstown horse.

Name one horse of gigginstowns that has been stopped please.

bit of a bogey

SRFC wrote: »

Name one horse of gigginstowns that has been stopped please.

Look I'm not saying they are stopped but I am saying that not every single one is trying. Plenty of them get the age old instruction to "school them out the back, if he's travelling put him into the race. If not pop him round for experience, get some confidence into him and keep him fresh. Let me know what you think"

Russell nor anyone else will break up a Gigginstown horse first time of asking. Im sure your capable enough to go and search for these yourself.......

SRFC

bit of a bogey wrote: »

Look I'm not saying they are stopped but I am saying that not every single one is trying. Plenty of them get the age old instruction to "school them out the back, if he's travelling put him into the race. If not pop him round for experience, get some confidence into him and keep him fresh. Let me know what you think"

Russell nor anyone else will break up a Gigginstown horse first time of asking. Im sure your capable enough to go and search for these yourself.......

I know what you're saying but theres a difference between Denis O regan riding for Chris Grant (Barney really trains them) and davy russell not butchering a gigginstown horse once its chance has gone,Michael O Leary is not a gambler so he doesnt need to stop one to lay one out unlike JP McManus who's horses are giving very suspect ride's everyday of the week by many different jockeys including ''the champ'' Mccoy.

bit of a bogey

SRFC wrote: »

I know what you're saying but theres a difference between Denis O regan riding for Chris Grant (Barney really trains them) and davy russell not butchering a gigginstown horse once its chance has gone

Agreed but what I'm saying is that Russell will generally only do this for Gigginstown or Byrnes. He is usually trying with all his other mounts.

mountai

bit of a bogey wrote: »

Agreed but what I'm saying is that Russell will generally only do this for Gigginstown or Byrnes. He is usually trying with all his other mounts.

Give an example of a Byrnes horse that DR has "stopped" or has not put into a race. Its a well known fact that lots of horses run in races that they havnt a hope of winning . To assume that all horses Must try to win every race they are in, is madness. The vast majority of horses NEVER win a race . To blame connections for "setting up " a horse to win a race is rediculous. I remember a few years ago Ted Walsh won a handicap at Leopardstown. It was obvious that the horse was aimed at the race , huge gamble that paid off. "Sure it was this ould horses day today, he might never win another one " HE hasnt . IF one in five "Gambles " come off --- its the most.

ste2010

Jonjo o'Neill is a serious player at this game...
Denis hogan another..
Riding there horses for future handicaps...

Luca Brasi

There are times when horses just dont have the engine regardless of the jockey. Of course trainers know this and will engage in a bit of schooling in the hope of bringing the horse on. Jockeys have to earn a living and cooperate with instructions if they want to ride for the trainer/owner again but I cant see McCoy Ruby Russell pulling a horse which has the ability to win

SRFC

Luca Brasi wrote: »

There are times when horses just dont have the engine regardless of the jockey. Of course trainers know this and will engage in a bit of schooling in the hope of bringing the horse on. Jockeys have to earn a living and cooperate with instructions if they want to ride for the trainer/owner again but I cant see McCoy Ruby Russell pulling a horse which has the ability to win

I'd strongly advise you dont back horses if you think mccoy is always trying the jp mcmanus operation is absolutely rancid who are untouchable in racing.

Luca Brasi

SRFC wrote: »

I'd strongly advise you dont back horses if you think mccoy is always trying the jp mcmanus operation is absolutely rancid who are untouchable in racing.

Typical of the begrudgery prevalent in Ireland. You obviously dont know anything about McCoys personality. You dont get to be champion jockey year after year pulling horses that have winning ability

SRFC

Luca Brasi wrote: »

Typical of the begrudgery prevalent in Ireland. You obviously dont know anything about McCoys personality. You dont get to be champion jockey year after year pulling horses that have winning ability

I shouldnt even reply to this mug comment.

Are you honestly saying The champ has never pulled one?


Have a look at the ride on 'Get me out of here' at Ascot and see if you change your tune not exactly the mccoy drive eh

http://www.attheraces.com/VideoConsole/?va=ASC_2010_10_30_05_1615&vaff=16

MyStubbleItches

SRFC wrote: »

I shouldnt even reply to this mug comment.

You should really have your own forum. It must seem very unfair on you that you should have to put up with common mugs' opinions which are so far wrong its ridiculous. I'm amazed that you even take time to come on here to try to educate all the dopes who have an interest in racing but are so utterly clueless.

Thank you, sir. I feel honoured to move in the same internet circles as one so wonderfully well-informed and knowledgeable as you. From you I can only learn and improve myself.

Luca Brasi

MyStubbleItches wrote: »

You should really have your own forum. It must seem very unfair on you that you should have to put up with common mugs' opinions which are so far wrong its ridiculous. I'm amazed that you even take time to come on here to try to educate all the dopes who have an interest in racing but are so utterly clueless.

Thank you, sir. I feel honoured to move in the same internet circles as one so wonderfully well-informed and knowledgeable as you. From you I can only learn and improve myself.

Obviously his years competing in donkey derbys has given him a vital insight to the Sport of Kings

SRFC

Luca Brasi wrote: »

Obviously his years competing in donkey derbys has given him a vital insight to the Sport of Kings

You've obviously watched the video ive posted and now feel very silly,

Trigger13222

Are people really that gullible that they would think AP or DR have never stopped a horse.

SRFC

Trigger13222 wrote: »

Are people really that gullible that they would think AP or DR have never stopped a horse.

Wasting your time mate its like talking to the wall the video alone posted has shot his argument to pieces that im begrudging jp success.

mailburner

anyone who's been gambling for years or just watching horse racing can see
what's going on and sometimes it's more blatant that others and rancid is
certainly a word that can be used

you see it most days if you look close enough (can give an example
today)

it's incredible how naive some people are here

MyStubbleItches

mailburner wrote: »

it's incredible how naive some people are here

I'm well aware, as I'm sure most people are, that horses are stopped every day of the week, especially by retained jockeys. That's not the point. It's the arrogance of certain posters here which gets my goat. Was just trying to highlight that.

Everyone has and is entitled to have, an opinion. If they are wrong, fair enough, let them know that you think they are wrong but some people here just deride and ridicule which is quite annoying tbh.

Just my tuppence.