Mayweather vs Guerrero ?

Wild_Dogger

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1451900-mayweather-vs-guerrero-why-the-fight-should-share-a-ppv-with-alvarez-vs-cotto

Looks like he facing another underweight fighter ........

Pound for pound match-maker ....... waste

supackofidiots

do you even follow boxing? do you know who guerrero is?
are you still feeling a little sore over pacquaio's face bashing two weeks ago?

Frank Bullitt

If indeed this does go ahead, then it's an easy win for Mayweather.

megadodge

supackofidiots wrote: »

do you even follow boxing? do you know who guerrero is?
are you still feeling a little sore over pacquaio's face bashing two weeks ago?

Not that Dogger can't defend himself, but...

Unlike you, he is a longterm poster on here whose betting tips and picks are well worth following because of their consistent money-making results. His knowledge of boxing extends far, far beyond Mayweather, Pacman and their prospective opponents.

walshb

Personally I can't find a link to Manny here. Criticising Floyd for a choice of opponent. How does Manny then get thrown into the mix? The two boxers can exist independent of each other, can't they?

Wild_Dogger

I do know Guerrero ....... thats why I posted it.

He's a 135lbs fighter , maybe grown into 140lbs but has jumped two weight divisions to put himself in a position to get a Mayweather paycheck.

I'm sorry , but Guerrero isn't even close to the same class as Mayweather.
Its Barcelona vs. Bradford City.

Maybe I just grew up following boxing in a time where the best continually fought the best in a 'round-robin' style division. When a legacy was more important than the dollar.

The boxing world eagerly awaits Mayweather taking on a competitive opponent , and for a boxer who fights once a year then Guerrero dosen't cut it.

A major disappointment for the enthusiast when so many other options are available.

The criticism against Mayweather is not resenting his skill , it is about him taking ****ty fights and then the media fool the people (with the likes of 24/7) into thinking Geurrero is up to the mark when he's not even close.

As for Guerrero he should be fighting Broner , its the fight everybody wants to see at that weight

cowzerp

Wild_Dogger wrote: »

I do know Guerrero ....... thats why I posted it.

He's a 135lbs fighter , maybe grown into 140lbs but has jumped two weight divisions to put himself in a position to get a Mayweather paycheck.

I'm sorry , but Guerrero isn't even close to the same class as Mayweather.
Its Barcelona vs. Bradford City.

Maybe I just grew up following boxing in a time where the best continually fought the best in a 'round-robin' style division. When a legacy was more important than the dollar.

Only 2 divisions ever done that properly, 3 actually when you look at cant remember what the series was, Ali's division, sugar rays and the recent series.

Unless your from 1920 when they had to do this to make any money.

Wild_Dogger

cowzerp wrote: »

Only 2 divisions ever done that properly, 3 actually when you look at cant remember what the series was, Ali's division, sugar rays and the recent series.

Unless your from 1920 when they had to do this to make any money.

I'm not sure I follow you ......... do you think its always been this bad for matchups ?

1920

cowzerp

Wild_Dogger wrote: »

I'm not sure I follow you ......... do you think its always been this bad for matchups ?

1920

Boxing has not changed 1 bit, promoters and coaches have always tried to get fights to suit themselves.

Quick examples RJJ never fought Collins, Benn or Eubanks, actually I don't think he fought mclellan or Watson either.

Arums fighters never do tough fights, Don king always got fights that suited his fighters. Nature of the beast when nobody is there to say a has to fight b.

Sad truth is lads like the Klitschko bros who'll fight anyone are avoided by the opposition and most fighters who'll fight all comers are avoided aswell

Big Ears

cowzerp wrote: »

Boxing has not changed 1 bit, promoters and coaches have always tried to get fights to suit themselves.

Quick examples RJJ never fought Collins, Benn or Eubanks, actually I don't think he fought mclellan or Watson either.

Arums fighters never do tough fights, Don king always got fights that suited his fighters. Nature of the beast when nobody is there to say a has to fight b.

Sad truth is lads like the Klitschko bros who'll fight anyone are avoided by the opposition and most fighters who'll fight all comers are avoided aswell

Think Jones jr fought (and lost) to McCellan as an amateur, but your right the rest never fought him. Watson likely due to the unfortunate sudden end to his career that occurred from the 2nd Eubank fight, the other 3 I'm sure it was as much mutual (from their promoters point of view), as Jones jr side not wanting it. Collins, Eubank and Benn guaranteed promoters big money over here, and Jones jr did likewise across the pond, and they didn't really need each other to improve that.
Toney and his crew wanted no part of Benn or Eubank for the same reason.

Arum fighters take on plenty of tough fights....when Bob has found them another tough Top Rank promoted fighter. A common practice of promoters these days.

I'd agree about Wladamir anyway, not sure Vitali is even interested in fighting anymore, only time will tell. He'd want to fight someone better than Charr and Chisora to convince me he's willing to take on anyone these days, as there's certainly a few fighters out there better than that who want to fight him (likely due to his age and declining abilities). No one really wants Wladamir unfortunately except if they're getting a huge payday to cash out on. Look for Adamek to try and secure a Wladamir fight now without having to fight Pulev.

It's sad really, we want Vitali vs Haye, Wladamir vs Povetkin (not that'd be competitive), Huck vs Hernandez
Dawson/Cloud/Cleverly/Shumenov vs each
Martinez/Geale/Golovkin/Pirog/Quillin vs each other
Mayweather vs Alvarez/Bradley/Pacquiao/Trout/even Alexander
Broner vs Burns vs Gamboa
Donaire vs Rigo vs Mares


No more than a few of these will ever happen, it makes more money if they don't

Wild_Dogger

cowzerp wrote: »

Quick examples RJJ never fought Collins, Benn or Eubanks, actually I don't think he fought mclellan or Watson either.

Maybe so , but all the others fought each other ! and a title/belt meant something

el flaco

Canelo and Broner both scheduled to have fights on the undercard. No opponents named yet.

gaybeer

Didn't Guerrero just fight and physically dominate a big full blown Top 5 WW? I am not so sure that he is so much the smaller man than you may think?

walshb

gaybeer wrote: »

Didn't Guerrero just fight and physically dominate a big full blown Top 5 WW? I am not so sure that he is so much the smaller man than you may think?

He did not dominate, if anything it was Berto who landed the cleaner and crisper shots. Guerrero to me looked rather sluggish in that fight. Looked like a man who should be at LWW. Berto looked a lot like Floyd in that fight, but he didn't have enough Floyd in him to beat Guerrero. Guerrero won on aggression more than clean shots. I reckon Berto will look back on that fight as one he should have won.

BTW, as regards size, yes, Guerrero is big enough to match Floyd. Skills will win this fight, not size. Floyd has them in greater capacity.

gaybeer

I agree with you, it was a very competitive fight in which Berto landed alot of clean shots. What I meant by physically dominated was that he walked Berto down, regardless of what was coming back, and physically exerted himself on Berto to the point where the fight was the fight that he wanted, albeit one in which his opponent was competitive. I don't remember the fight perfectly but didn't he have Berto badly hurt (possibly even dropped him a few times early)?

I guess my point that while Floyd is clearly superior to Berto, to suggest that Guerrero couldn't compete because he is smaller man is unfair. He will probably be well beaten but Guerrero just beat and hurt a big highly regarded WW.

The whole thing of Mayweather just fighting smaller men hasn't been true probably apart from Marquez. Floyd has probably been the smaller man in all other fights since Hatton

walshb

gaybeer wrote: »

I agree with you, it was a very competitive fight in which Berto landed alot of clean shots. What I meant by physically dominated was that he walked Berto down, regardless of what was coming back, and physically exerted himself on Berto to the point where the fight was the fight that he wanted, albeit one in which his opponent was competitive. I don't remember the fight perfectly but didn't he have Berto badly hurt (possibly even dropped him a few times early)?

I guess my point that while Floyd is clearly superior to Berto, to suggest that Guerrero couldn't compete because he is smaller man is unfair. He will probably be well beaten but Guerrero just beat and hurt a big highly regarded WW.

The whole thing of Mayweather just fighting smaller men hasn't been true probably apart from Marquez. Floyd has probably been the smaller man in all other fights since Hatton

I get you now. I misread the original post. Yes, Guerrero seemd to be dominating the physical fight alright. Floy'd body and his use of his body and ability to use a man's strength against him, like Toney, will prove important.

gaybeer

Completely agree. I think Floyd wins this fight, probably by stoppage. I personally quite like the fight as I fancy Guerrero to be at least competitive and going for the win unlike alot of FM opponents.

walshb

gaybeer wrote: »

Completely agree. I think Floyd wins this fight, probably by stoppage. I personally quite like the fight as I fancy Guerrero to be at least competitive and going for the win unlike alot of FM opponents.

Spot on. Guerrero will come to win. Interesting clash of styles. I don't see a stoppage win. I see a Cotto type victory, maybe a little clearer. Guerrero trying his ass off but falling short with too many shots and leaving himself open for crisp head shot counters. Inside I see Floyd tying up, dipping and ducking, and countering more effectively that Berto. Guerrero will be hitting arms and hips 90 percent of the time.

Wild_Dogger

Well this match-up could have been worse.

I feared a Mayweather v Bradley match.
While I do like Bradley and I think he would have some success -he is just too small to hurt Floyd.

I was really surprised to see Berto lose to Robert G. and mostly surprised by how Berto's face was so swollen.

On the positive side - I think that if this Mayweather vs Guerrero fight takes place @ 147lbs then Floyd will much more compromised to meet the weight deadline than Guerrero.
Guerrero will meet the weight without sacrificing his body, but I do feel it is about time Floyd needs to drain a little to get there.

Floyd is changing with (and because of) age. He stands solid and is more willing to engage. This can only suit the style of a high pressure fighter like Guerrero.

The Ghost will be throwing pebbles against Mayweather's defence, but there will be a plenty of them.

colly10

gaybeer wrote: »

Didn't Guerrero just fight and physically dominate a big full blown Top 5 WW? I am not so sure that he is so much the smaller man than you may think?

Ortiz impressed me far more against Berto and we seen what an easy night Floyd had against Ortiz.
Guerrero needs another one or 2 fights at WW and if he gets on well then talk of fighting Floyd would be more realistic.

It's too early at the moment and he may never be ready

Underground

Wild_Dogger wrote: »

Well this match-up could have been worse.

I feared a Mayweather v Bradley match.
While I do like Bradley and I think he would have some success -he is just too small to hurt Floyd.

I was really surprised to see Berto lose to Robert G. and mostly surprised by how Berto's face was so swollen.

On the positive side - I think that if this Mayweather vs Guerrero fight takes place @ 147lbs then Floyd will much more compromised to meet the weight deadline than Guerrero.
Guerrero will meet the weight without sacrificing his body, but I do feel it is about time Floyd needs to drain a little to get there.

Floyd is changing with (and because of) age. He stands solid and is more willing to engage. This can only suit the style of a high pressure fighter like Guerrero.

The Ghost will be throwing pebbles against Mayweather's defence, but there will be a plenty of them.

I wouldn't have minded seeing that fight at all. Would be very interesting, but certainly not one for the casual boxing fan.

I do agree with you though, Bradley would literally come up short in this one.

gaybeer

colly10 wrote: »

Ortiz impressed me far more against Berto and we seen what an easy night Floyd had against Ortiz.
Guerrero needs another one or 2 fights at WW and if he gets on well then talk of fighting Floyd would be more realistic.

It's too early at the moment and he may never be ready

Ortiz was on the floor a few times in this fight and was very close to been stopped. It may have been a more entertaining fight, both fights were very good to watch IMO, but I don't think that you could argue that Ortiz performance justified a fight with Floyd and Guerreros didn't.

Henno30

Wild_Dogger wrote: »

Floyd is changing with (and because of) age. He stands solid and is more willing to engage. This can only suit the style of a high pressure fighter like Guerrero.

The Ghost will be throwing pebbles against Mayweather's defence, but there will be a plenty of them.

Remember that the Berto fight was a pretty unusual one for Guerrero. He's a boxer first, but he quickly realised he could bully Berto and he took advantage of that fact in impressive fashion.

Henno30

Interesting stuff on the potential Mayweather-Guerrero match-up from a guy who ran into Floyd this morning - http://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/1765io/had_an_interesting_run_in_with_floyd_this_morning/

Basically, the guy tells Mayweather "Good luck against Guerrero" at the airport, Mayweather gets pissed off and puts the word out in the media that the fight isn't happening.