2008 Mondeo Clutch

Nanoc

Just got a quote of €1,450 for a clutch replacement on a 2008 Mondeo, does this not seem extremely expensive? Now te wife took the call so all she said was needs a new clutch so not 100% sure that this is all that's wrong...

The Royal Scam

A lad in work had this done in work on a 09 and it was €1530 I think.

George Dalton

It's a bit on the expensive side. What kind of garage is it? Is it 5 speed or 6? 1.8 or 2.0? (I am assuming it is diesel)

Nanoc

George Dalton wrote: »

It's a bit on the expensive side. What kind of garage is it? Is it 5 speed or 6? 1.8 or 2.0? (I am assuming it is diesel)

It's 6 speed 1.8 and yup diesel, just shocked it costs that much! Thought itd be under the grand mark...

George Dalton

The parts are more expensive for the Mondeo and the job itself is more time-consuming than a Passat for example as the front subframe needs to be lowered to get the gearbox out. That is why the job costs more.

Having said that if you shop around for prices you should be able to get it done for a lot closer to €1000 than your current quote. We charge €1100 for them, just as a comparison.

bazz26

Does that price includes a new DMF also?

George Dalton

bazz26 wrote: »

Does that price includes a new DMF also?

Our price does, I am assuming the more expensive price does also.

burke027

Yeah it's a mondeo and they give flywheel trouble. So the price is for a new dual mass flywheel and clutch kit. In which regard I think the price is quite good. That's in and around what we would charge also.

Supergurrier

That seema like alot, how much of it is labour ?

Kit should be only 500-700 euros with flywheel

George Dalton

Supergurrier wrote: »

That seema like alot, how much of it is labour ?

Kit should be only 500-700 euros with flywheel

It's roughly 400:700 split labour:parts.

Parts are:
Dual mass flywheel
Clutch disc and pressure plate
Concentric slave cylinder (release bearing)
Brake/clutch fluid
New gearbox oil

Supergurrier

George Dalton wrote: »

It's roughly 400:700 split labour:parts.

Parts are:
Dual mass flywheel
Clutch disc and pressure plate
Concentric slave cylinder (release bearing)
Brake/clutch fluid
New gearbox oil

Thats what i was thinking as 1500+ seems alot, Vat i spose

George Dalton

The €1100 I quoted includes VAT. I would say the €1400-1500 quotes are main dealer quotes. Parts will cost more from Ford and the main dealer labour rates will also be higher.

Supergurrier

Maybe OP try and get a price on buying a clutch kit from a specialist in the UK, i got my RS clutch kit for 620 sterling recently and i was getting quoted near that over here for just a flyswheel

Frankie Lee

Most motor factors should be able to get in a Sachs kit which is OE and works out around €150 cheaper than going through Ford.
Still I don't think the job can be done for much cheaper than €1100.

Nanoc

The €1,450 isn't through a main dealer, it's a local guy I use and he's quite good and would've always thought reasonable but if it can be done for €1,100 elsewhere there'll be haggling or moving (although also have to factor in the moving of the car now as undriveable)

Any suggestions where to look to get kit from UK? Sorry but clueless with that..

George Dalton

Nanoc wrote: »

(although also have to factor in the moving of the car now as undriveable)

The first thing you should do is get a full breakdown of costs, how much of the €1450 is for parts and how much is labour.

Also find out exactly what is included in the list of parts to be changed as part of the job. If the car is undriveable then he could well be quoting for a new clutch master cylinder as well as the parts I listed. This would account for the difference between the quotes.

Nanoc

Cheers George will give him a bell and see what the story is so!

enumbers

Its not a good idea to supply parts to a garage to fit unless you don't want warranty. If the garage supplies and fits they will sort it out any problem with it free of charge as they will be able to make a labour claim from there supplier. If you supply the parts this is not possible. So unless there is a massive saving to be made is not worth it.

Nanoc wrote: »

The €1,450 isn't through a main dealer, it's a local guy I use and he's quite good and would've always thought reasonable but if it can be done for €1,100 elsewhere there'll be haggling or moving (although also have to factor in the moving of the car now as undriveable)

Any suggestions where to look to get kit from UK? Sorry but clueless with that..

George Dalton

What happened to the clutch? What were the symptoms? Did the pedal just get bad so that you couldn't select any gears or is it a different problem?

Nanoc

Just off the phone there, it's actually drivable said wont do any more damage to it but needs a new clutch and also DMF so suppose that's the difference in the prices alright!

Didn't suspect clutch tbh, there was just a rattle/noise that I actually thought was the exhaust pipe to engine connection (maybe) that jut got worse and worse.

George Dalton

enumbers wrote: »

Its not a good idea to supply parts to a garage to fit unless you don't want warranty. If the garage supplies and fits they will sort it out any problem with it free of charge as they will be able to make a labour claim from there supplier. If you supply the parts this is not possible. So unless there is a massive saving to be made is not worth it.

I agree. There are a couple of other points to note as well.

First of all VAT, if you buy the parts separately then you are liable for the higher rate of VAT on them, then you pay the labour separately at the lower rate. However if you get the garage to supply and fit the parts then the whole bill is charged at the lower rate. This can mean that any theoretical "savings" made on the parts are reduced or even negated by the time the two individual bills are paid.

The second thing is that by supplying your own parts you are removing any margin that the garage take on the parts, thereby reducing their take on the job. Let's take a theoretical situation where a garage might charge €300 in labour for a certain job and they could have €100 margin on the parts so the total they earn from the job is €400. If you supply the parts and want to pay €300 for fitting then you are expecting the garage to do the exact same work for 25% less money. There aren't many garages (or any other small businesses in the country for that matter) who can take a 25% drop in income and still stay in business so they may end up having to charge you more than €300 for labour where you supply the parts, again reducing or removing any perceived benefit you see from supplying your own parts.

mondeoman2

[QUOTE=Nanoc;

Any suggestions where to look to get kit from UK? Sorry but clueless with that..[/QUOTE]

Yeah here http://www.fordpartsuk.com/shop/c/clutch_components_595/
Add £20 for delivery & uk Vat:)

George Dalton

Nanoc wrote: »

Just off the phone there, it's actually drivable said wont do any more damage to it but needs a new clutch and also DMF so suppose that's the difference in the prices alright!

No the €1100 includes clutch and DMF, it is only if the master cylinder needs changing that the cost would be more. Sometimes when the DMF is very bad the clutch pedal goes and the only way to sort it is by changing the master cylinder, but that doesn't appear to be the case here so €1100 should get you back motoring.

OldmanMondeo

mondeoman2 wrote: »

Yeah here http://www.fordpartsuk.com/shop/c/clutch_components_595/
Add £20 for delivery & uk Vat:)

Not much help really, the clutch kit and hydrualic clyinder are different on the 5 speed and 6 speed. OP could end up with the completely wrong kit.

OP that sound ok, I sell Sachs and can tell you that is near retail less VAT. Sounds like a good deal. As pointed out by George, labour on these is a git, the older Mondeo was a 4 hour job, think the newer one is smiliar.

mondeoman2

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

Not much help really, the clutch kit and hydrualic clyinder are different on the 5 speed and 6 speed. OP could end up with the completely wrong kit.

OP that sound ok, I sell Sachs and can tell you that is near retail less VAT. Sounds like a good deal. As pointed out by George, labour on these is a git, the older Mondeo was a 4 hour job, think the newer one is smiliar.

Its just a rough price guide,he will need to fill out a request form with his VIN number so the correct parts will be delivered,

request formhttps://www.fordpartsuk.com/partsrequest.htm

George Dalton

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

the older Mondeo was a 4 hour job, think the newer one is smiliar.

You would have to be on top of your game to do one in 4 hours to be honest.

enumbers

I don't consider myself slow but id be close to 5.5 to 6 hrs to get one of these changed and ready for the customer the new model has a good bit more in it

trabpc

Anybody try fitting a solid flywheel hear not much difference when driving and last longer.

George Dalton

A solid flywheel conversion turns a six speed Mondeo into a tractor. Definitely would not recommend it.

Fishtits

A solid flywheel conversion turns a six speed Mondeo into a tractor. Definitely would not recommend it.

+1

Bad as it is, the DMF is there for a reason.

sc86

i sell that sachs kit for 6 speed for 525 inc vat so 1500 is madness!!

Nanoc

sc86 wrote: »

i sell that sachs kit for 6 speed for 525 inc vat so 1500 is madness!!

HI Is that the ful clutch kit that would be needed plus the DMF and all?

TBF, he told me to go source it myself and he'd charge me €250 to fit it which is not bad at all if it will take between 4-6 hours to fit! Think he just rang ford firect and they gave him the price of €1,200..

OldmanMondeo

sc86 wrote: »

i sell that sachs kit for 6 speed for 525 inc vat so 1500 is madness!!

Yeah, would be interested, is that the 2pce and CSC or the full kit inc DMF?

lifer_sean

Nanoc wrote: »

TBF, he told me to go source it myself and he'd charge me €250 to fit it which is not bad at all if it will take between 4-6 hours to fit! Think he just rang ford firect and they gave him the price of €1,200..

Why not ask the mechanic to source the flywheel and clutch kit from his local motor factors, pay him the full motor factor price, and the 250 he wants for fitting ? Should get you sorted for 1000-1100 without having to do any extra work yourself, and if there are any issues with the part it's between the mechanic and his own motor factor to sort out. Minimises the headaches and the money !

To add, got a kit a few months ago for a 08, 6-speed, 1.8 TDCi, cost me a bit over 700 all in for kit incl slave cylinder and flywheel.

sc86

Nanoc wrote: »

HI Is that the ful clutch kit that would be needed plus the DMF and all?

TBF, he told me to go source it myself and he'd charge me €250 to fit it which is not bad at all if it will take between 4-6 hours to fit! Think he just rang ford firect and they gave him the price of €1,200..

yes full kit, bearing the lot
250 is a good price to fit it, not the quickest of jobs
that car is fitted with sachs system from the factory
just goes to show the profit margins they have on these parts

@oldmanmondeo yes complete kit, flywheel the lot

sc86

lifer_sean wrote: »

Why not ask the mechanic to source the flywheel and clutch kit from his local motor factors, pay him the full motor factor price, and the 250 he wants for fitting ? Should get you sorted for 1000-1100 without having to do any extra work yourself, and if there are any issues with the part it's between the mechanic and his own motor factor to sort out. Minimises the headaches and the money !

To add, got a kit a few months ago for a 08, 6-speed, 1.8 TDCi, cost me a bit over 700 all in for kit incl slave cylinder and flywheel.

why would you pay 200e extra or more for the exact same kit for sake of a 2 minute phone call?

its a hell of alot of money in this day and age to anybody

lifer_sean

sc86 wrote: »

why would you pay 200e extra or more for the exact same kit for sake of a 2 minute phone call?

its a hell of alot of money in this day and age to anybody

I don't get your point ???? Where is your 200 euro coming from ? Two minute phone call to who ? I don't see how anyone could significantly undercut the motor factor price for a given brand of component, it's not like the motor factors have mega margins.

If the owner orders the part, and if it is wrong for any reason, he has to sort it out, not the mechanic. If the mechanic orders it, the mechanic sorts the problem, owner doesn't care. Given that there are several different clutches/flywheels/slave cylinders fitted to mondeo diesels (with several different prices), there is a reasonable chance of getting the wrong one. For the owner not to have to handle that situation is worth time and money.

When I was getting mine, I got two different prices from two motor factors, my regular one and another. The second quoted much cheaper, but upped the price to slightly higher than my regular guy when I went to pay for it (2 days after it was fitted). Won't be going back there.

Another time we wanted an expensive clutch, I rang a discount clutch specialist who advertises nationally, and located in the Galway area I think. Got it much cheaper from my regular motor factors.

Better to deal with a local guy that you know and trust. Or let a trusted mechanic do the legwork for you.

George Dalton

Nanoc wrote: »

TBF, he told me to go source it myself and he'd charge me €250 to fit it which is not bad at all if it will take between 4-6 hours to fit! Think he just rang ford firect and they gave him the price of €1,200..

Sounds like a great deal for you OP! I know we wouldn't stay in business for too long fitting those for only €250 a pop.

sc86

lifer_sean wrote: »

I don't get your point ???? Where is your 200 euro coming from ? Two minute phone call to who ? I don't see how anyone could significantly undercut the motor factor price for a given brand of component, it's not like the motor factors have mega margins.

If the owner orders the part, and if it is wrong for any reason, he has to sort it out, not the mechanic. If the mechanic orders it, the mechanic sorts the problem, owner doesn't care. Given that there are several different clutches/flywheels/slave cylinders fitted to mondeo diesels (with several different prices), there is a reasonable chance of getting the wrong one. For the owner not to have to handle that situation is worth time and money.

When I was getting mine, I got two different prices from two motor factors, my regular one and another. The second quoted much cheaper, but upped the price to slightly higher than my regular guy when I went to pay for it (2 days after it was fitted). Won't be going back there.

Another time we wanted an expensive clutch, I rang a discount clutch specialist who advertises nationally, and located in the Galway area I think. Got it much cheaper from my regular motor factors.

Better to deal with a local guy that you know and trust. Or let a trusted mechanic do the legwork for you.

i am and clutch / flywheel specialist so i know exactly what i am talking about
there is only 1 kit to fit that car he has, older mondeos are a little more troublesome
i supply plenty of motor factors so know exactly what there margins are
some pay to much for there parts and quote crazy prices
some have huge margins, some motor factors add 2-300e on kits that cost 500e

if somebody wants to pay 7-800 for that kit then thats there problem
im am trying to help a member of this forum save some money as i have already helped plenty of others

areyawell

Shop around, christ! Any local small garage