We are all a bunch of knuckle-draggin’, potato-eatin’ perverts

homer911

Oh dear, they are at it again..

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Abigail-Phelps-of-Westboro-Baptist-Church-calls-all-Irish-knuckle-dragging-potato-eating-perverts---AUDIO-184248261.html

The Jammy dodger

Funny that freedom of speech america have. These people get away with their freedom of speech which is really harrassment and they get away scot free. but Catholic priests right now are being arrested for simply praying a rosary outside an abortion clinic. So much for freedom of speech.

Scumbag nation. I hate America I really do. Not the american people, I just HATE America and everything it stands for.

Bannasidhe

The Jammy dodger wrote: »

Funny that freedom of speech america have. These people get away with their freedom of speech which is really harrassment and they get away scot free. but Catholic priests right now are being arrested for simply praying a rosary outside an abortion clinic. So much for freedom of speech.

Scumbag nation. I hate America I really do. Not the american people, I just HATE America and everything it stands for.

Source?

The Jammy dodger

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Source?

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/catholic-priest-pro-life-activists-arrested-outside-white-house-protesting

Benny_Cake

The Jammy dodger wrote: »

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/catholic-priest-pro-life-activists-arrested-outside-white-house-protesting

From reading this, those protestors were arrested for violating an order prohibiting protestors from holding a standing protest outside the White House. No abortion clinic involved. Unless the WBC did the same and weren't arrested for it, then there are no double standards here.

Bannasidhe

Benny_Cake wrote: »

From reading this, those protestors were arrested for violating an order prohibiting protestors from holding a standing protest outside the White House. No abortion clinic involved. Unless the WBC did the same and weren't arrested for it, then there are no double standards here.

Beat me to it.

I was puzzled as I have seen some of the, pretty hair-raising, 'activities' that go on outside abortion clinics in the US so couldn't understand why someone would be arrested for saying a rosary outside one.
Outside the White House where there are clear laws in place which are strictly enforced - seems to me they wanted to be arrested.

Benny_Cake

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Beat me to it.

I was puzzled as I have seen some of the, pretty hair-raising, 'activities' that go on outside abortion clinics in the US so couldn't understand why someone would be arrested for saying a rosary outside one.
Outside the White House where there are clear laws in place which are strictly enforced - seems to me they wanted to be arrested.

Having seen the WBC membership list and the amount of lawyers they have in their ranks, I would imagine they know exactly how far they can go and are far too savvy to get themselves arrested outside the White House.

As for what they think of Ireland, I'd be more worried if they said something nice about us!

The Jammy dodger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiz4tfjSuPc

Benny_Cake

The Jammy dodger wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiz4tfjSuPc

I'm not certain, but I think that may have been a case of trespass - at a Catholic university, no less. In any case, this doesn't have much to do with WBC who generally don't put themselves at riskby venturing on to private property. Two separate issues.

The Jammy dodger

Benny_Cake wrote: »

I'm not certain, but I think that may have been a case of trespass - at a Catholic university, no less. In any case, this doesn't have much to do with WBC who generally don't put themselves at riskby venturing on to private property. Two separate issues.

Oh ok go ahead and assume its trespass without proving it, that'll make your argument more believable. but it quite simply is not trespass. If anything the WBC are trespassing by harrassing Gay people anywhere they go, does not matter where they are. But they are allowed full free reign to harrass gay people. It's just disgustin.

I still have not seen anyone here prove to me that they were trespassing. Just people speculating.

Fanny Cradock

I'm torn between Twink and the members of the WBC being my favourite panto villains. Either way this particular knuckle-draggin’, potato-eatin’ pervert has long since ceased to be shocked by their antics.

Benny_Cake

The Jammy dodger wrote: »

Oh ok go ahead and assume its trespass without proving it, that'll make your argument more believable. but it quite simply is not trespass. If anything the WBC are trespassing by harrassing Gay people anywhere they go, does not matter where they are. But they are allowed full free reign to harrass gay people. It's just disgustin.

I still have not seen anyone here prove to me that they were trespassing. Just people speculating.

Hey, who's arguing. As far as I know the priest who was arrested was on the grounds of Notre Dame university, which is private property. I'm not saying it was right or wrong, just a different situation. You did put the video up without any explanation but I think it was posted here before.

Anyway, this thread is about Westboro Baptist Church, not pro-life protectors.

RGDATA!

The Jammy dodger wrote: »

Oh ok go ahead and assume its trespass without proving it, that'll make your argument more believable. but it quite simply is not trespass. If anything the WBC are trespassing by harrassing Gay people anywhere they go, does not matter where they are. But they are allowed full free reign to harrass gay people. It's just disgustin.

I still have not seen anyone here prove to me that they were trespassing. Just people speculating.

WBC church members have been arrested in the past, but as has been pointed out they're mostly all lawyers, and are very clever about using the law to their advantage. I'm sure that priest in your video attended many many anti abortion protests where he wasn't arrested, so in that sense it wouldn't be as typical as maybe you're painting it. Abortion clinic protesters (although that is not what is depicted in your video) are invoking the same right to freedom of speech that the WBC are.

The Jammy dodger

Benny_Cake wrote: »

Hey, who's arguing. As far as I know the priest who was arrested was on the grounds of Notre Dame university, which is private property. I'm not saying it was right or wrong, just a different situation. You did put the video up without any explanation but I think it was posted here before.

Anyway, this thread is about Westboro Baptist Church, not pro-life protectors.

My point is that it is a land of freedom of speech but with this restriction and that restriction and as long as you stand over there and say it and make sure your 20 yards away and so on. Ultimately, we all know its not a land of freedom and speech, look what happened to John lennon for cryin out loud.

RGDATA!

The Jammy dodger wrote: »

My point is that it is a land of freedom of speech but with this restriction and that restriction and as long as you stand over there and say it and make sure your 20 yards away and so on. Ultimately, we all know its not a land of freedom and speech, look what happened to John lennon for cryin out loud.

what's your vision of what freedom of speech should mean?

Fanny Cradock

The Jammy dodger wrote: »

My point is that it is a land of freedom of speech but with this restriction and that restriction and as long as you stand over there and say it and make sure your 20 yards away and so on. Ultimately, we all know its not a land of freedom and speech, look what happened to John lennon for cryin out loud.

J C

Benny_Cake wrote: »

I'm not certain, but I think that may have been a case of trespass - at a Catholic university, no less. In any case, this doesn't have much to do with WBC who generally don't put themselves at riskby venturing on to private property. Two separate issues.

They don't seem to be two separate issues.
The WBC loudly protest their 'religious' beliefs in public and are facilitated in doing so ... this priest was apparently quietly protesting his religious beliefs in public and was arrested for doing so.
Does anybody know why?

hinault

Best not to given the WBC the oxygen of publicity me thinks

J C

hinault wrote: »

Best not to given the WBC the oxygen of publicity me thinks

They'll get publicity anyway ... it's important to protest what they stand for ... for evil to prevail all it takes is for good people to remain silent.

... and if we remain silent, other people may think that the average Christian somehow supports the WBC ... when we abhor what they do.

Honour the Lord your God ... and love your neighbour as yourself.

The WBC need to start doing the latter.

Keylem

J C wrote: »

They don't seem to be two separate issues.
The WBC loudly protest their 'religious' beliefs in public and are facilitated in doing so ... this priest was apparently quietly protesting his religious beliefs in public and was arrested for doing so.
Does anybody know why?

President Obama was visiting the school when the priest was arrested. Being a pro-life veteran the priest had been quietly protesting against Obama's Planned Parenthood services.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pro-life-veteran-priest-arrested-protesting-obama-at-notre-dame-now-ailing/

hinault

J C wrote: »

They'll get that anyway ... it's important to protest what they stand for ... for evil to prevail all it takes is for good people to remain silent.

... and if we remain silent, other people may think that the average Christian somehow supports the WBC ... when we abhor what they do.

Honour the Lord your God ... and love your neighbour as yourself.

I understand the sentiment but bacteria like WBC flourish with any/all publicity.
They're vermin (I know that's unchristian).

J C

hinault wrote: »

I understand the sentiment but bacteria like WBC flourish with any/all publicity.
They're vermin (I know that's unchristian).

We need to love our enemies as well.
They're deeply mistaken ... and need more love in their lives.

hinault

J C wrote: »

We need to love our enemies as well.
They're deeply mistaken ... and need more love in their lives.

This sounds like a test

J C

Keylem wrote: »

President Obama was visiting the school when the priest was arrested. Being a pro-life veteran the priest had been quietly protesting against Obama's Planned Parenthood services.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pro-life-veteran-priest-arrested-protesting-obama-at-notre-dame-now-ailing/

So an eighty year old priest carrying a cross a mile away from Obama has to be arrested???
What exactly were they afraid that he would do?

I thought that this kind of stuff only happened in totalitarian states ... I'm really really surprised (and totally shocked) that this happened in America.

J C

hinault wrote: »

This sounds like a test

It is indeed a test ... like our Lord said ... its easy to love your friends ... its loving your enimies that is the real test of a Christian.:)

J C

hinault wrote: »

I understand the sentiment but bacteria like WBC flourish with any/all publicity.
They're vermin (I know that's unchristian).

I know that some people claim that all publicity is 'good' publicity ... but it isn't.

I don't think that the WBC benefit in any way from the negative publicity that they generate ... and equally Notra Dame and Obama don't don't get many 'brownie points' for arresting a frail old priest ... who apparently has Alzheimer’s and 'put his house where his mouth was' ... by looking after over 300 single mothers.

Quote:
"Prior to his ordination in 1986, he was a Lieutenant Colonel in the U.S. army and married to another pro-life activist, who died in a car accident in 1980. In honor of his wife, Weslin converted his Council Bluffs, Iowa home to “The Mary Weslin Homes for Pregnant, Unwed Mothers,” which has housed over 300 mothers in crisis pregnancies."

He is a real hero ... and even though I may not share all of his theology ... I salute him as a great Christian and an example of real love, to us all.

RGDATA!

J C wrote: »

I know that some people claim that all publicity is 'good' publicity ... but it isn't.

I don't think that the WBC benefit in any way from the negative publicity that they generate ...

that's naive.
of course they benefit.
without negative publicity they'd have NO publicity; the negative publicity they so expertly court is how they get attention, which is what it's all about. also, the publicity about their protests helps provoke conflict which they apparently have been known to exploit in the courts.

J C

RGDATA! wrote: »

that's naive.
of course they benefit.
without negative publicity they'd have NO publicity; the negative publicity they so expertly court is how they get attention, which is what it's all about. also, the publicity about their protests helps provoke conflict which they apparently have been known to exploit in the courts.

They do their negative 'business' in a very public way ... and they get publicity for it in many ways ... and the publicity is inevitable in any free society ... and its one of the prices we pay for freedom ... but the alternative of some dictator 'knowing best' is far worse.
We must give credit to the average person (and indeed the not-so-average-person) to make their minds up about this stuff.
I say let them make a show of themselves protesting funerals ... and the other obnoxious things that they get up to ... but let's point out that this isn't consistent with loving our fellow man.
Lets also appeal to their Humanity and ask them to treat their fellow man as they would like to be treated themselves, if it was their child that was dead.
... and let's hold these families that WBC are targetting, in an even tighter protective embrace to reassure them that they are in our thoughts and prayers ... and that we love them.

Andrewf20

When they make generalised statements like they do, then I see their opinions as irrelevent.

So when is Shirley or Fred going to get an egg thrown at them? :P

J C

Andrewf20 wrote: »

When they make generalised statements like they do, then I see their opinions as irrelevent.

So when is Shirley or Fred going to get an egg thrown at them? :P

Pray for them that they will have a change of heart.
... and love and support the families all the more.

Andrewf20

J C wrote: »

Pray for them that they will have a change of heart.
... and love and support the families all the more.

Thats a big challenge.

J C

Andrewf20 wrote: »

Thats a big challenge.

Yes it is.