New ICBF Figures??

Munster Magic · 19-12-2012 10:58pm #1

Does anyone know when the next update on figures will be? Thought there was one due in December

LivInt20 · 19-12-2012 11:16pm

Munster Magic wrote: »

Does anyone know when the next update on figures will be? Thought there was one due in December

Friday this week

bogman_bass · 19-12-2012 11:32pm

and then they shut up shop for christmas so nobody can give out to them about the changes

Munster Magic · 20-12-2012 9:45am

LivInt20 wrote: »

Friday this week

Thanks for that, do you mind me asking how you know what day they are out?

LivInt20 · 20-12-2012 9:47am

Munster Magic wrote: »

Thanks for that, do you mind me asking how you know what day they are out?

http://www.icbf.com/services/evaluations/publication_schedule.php

Munster Magic · 20-12-2012 9:53am

LivInt20 wrote: »

http://www.icbf.com/services/evaluations/publication_schedule.php

Perfect thanks. I'm waiting on figures on a pure bred heifer. I could do with a bit of an improvement on what she currently has

pakalasa · 20-12-2012 12:17pm

The pencil sharpeners will be kept going this week in ICBf so.

With so many new bulls in NCBC they will make for interesting reading.

Munster Magic · 21-12-2012 4:42pm

Are these still due to update today?

bogman_bass · 21-12-2012 5:06pm

dairy proofs up this evening. Beef proofs wont be out till the 7th now

Munster Magic · 21-12-2012 5:22pm

bogman_bass wrote: »

dairy proofs up this evening. Beef proofs wont be out till the 7th now

Thanks for that, any reason for the delay?

bogman_bass · 21-12-2012 5:33pm

apparently there was some problem with foreign data

Munster Magic · 22-12-2012 12:31am

bogman_bass wrote: »

apparently there was some problem with foreign data

thanks for that, looks like I will have to wait so

stanflt · 22-12-2012 2:31am

FLT 260 EBI will post a professional pick of a milking daughter in the new year:)

Timmaay · 22-12-2012 2:34pm

Where is the updated dairy list?

stanflt · 22-12-2012 2:37pm

http://193.120.218.20/bull-search/index

Min · 22-12-2012 2:38pm

Timmaay wrote: »

Where is the updated dairy list?

no list yet.

Just put the codes in here:
http://193.120.218.20/bull-search/index

A couple of bulls at least over 300 EBI.
WLY 332
PZS 310

bogman_bass · 22-12-2012 5:04pm

http://www.icbf.com/services/evaluations/dairy.php

Go down to the file "all Bulls" under the bull proofs banner.

only has bulls with a calving survey on it though

Munster Magic · 07-01-2013 9:35am

bogman_bass wrote: »

dairy proofs up this evening. Beef proofs wont be out till the 7th now

Any chance you know if they are still due today?

bogman_bass · 07-01-2013 10:11am

this evening is the claim. we'll see....

bogman_bass · 07-01-2013 5:37pm

new beef figures here

http://193.120.218.20/bull-search/index

pakalasa · 07-01-2013 5:52pm

...Keep us busy for a while so.

blue5000 · 07-01-2013 6:37pm

Any major surprises/shocks for anybody? Grand sire of my aubrac bull is +234 euro for maternal, looks like I'll be bulling aubrac heifers this spring.

pakalasa · 07-01-2013 7:02pm

The Weanling Index is completely gone now! :eek:
All the suckler farmers in the country will be glad to hear that. What are they thinking?

tanko · 07-01-2013 7:16pm

Beef/terminal figures for OZS are well down. Not surprised tho, couldnt see where they were getting the previous figures from. He still has good docility and milk figures and his calving difficulty is down too.

Figures for HCA are well up, im glad to see that. He's a good bull for heifers/ second calvers.

pakalasa · 07-01-2013 7:24pm

AHZ is very easy calving too. No calving figures for the other new Lim bulls in NCBC yet though.

Munster Magic · 07-01-2013 8:30pm

bogman_bass wrote: »

new beef figures here

http://193.120.218.20/bull-search/index

Thanks for that, not what I was hoping for though:(

Bodacious · 07-01-2013 11:18pm

OZS went down in calving difficulty ( thank god) from 7.84% in August to 6.5%in December @ 97% reliability

Bodacious · 08-01-2013 12:56am

pakalasa wrote: »

The Weanling Index is completely gone now! :eek:
All the suckler farmers in the country will be glad to hear that. What are they thinking?

+1

also where has the herdmate gestation no. of days gone e.g average 287 days etc:o

pakalasa · 08-01-2013 8:15am

Bodacious wrote: »

+1

also where has the herdmate gestation no. of days gone e.g average 287 days etc:o

Gestation is still there. You have to go into Maternal Graphics and then click on Gestation. It opens then in a new window with the values. At least there is a window for the values. they normally take a few days before they appear with new proofs.

mikeoh · 08-01-2013 11:30pm

Just looking at Angus bulls ,all the good bulls have bad figures and the bad bulls figures are better eg.NKN has brutal numbers and he the most sought after bull in years and the likes of SYT and MPD topping the list..........have they been telling us to us the wrong bulls all along or are these ratings getting more respect than they deserve...........I'm going to be paying more attention to linear type from now on at least the shape and size of the bull won't change

blue5000 · 09-01-2013 12:14am

mikeoh wrote: »

Just looking at Angus bulls ,all the good bulls have bad figures and the bad bulls figures are better eg.NKN has brutal numbers and he the most sought after bull in years and the likes of SYT and MPD topping the list..........have they been telling us to us the wrong bulls all along or are these ratings getting more respect than they deserve...........I'm going to be paying more attention to linear type from now on at least the shape and size of the bull won't change

It could be because angus bulls are used on heifers for easy calving. So if you have a (huge) amount of heifers with calving difficulties that bull's figures are going to be skewed. Maternal traits like calving ease are getting more weight than they used to. Just my 2 cents.

blue5000 · 09-01-2013 12:27am

Is there anywhere that all the stats can be translated into english? Like wtf does this € Contribution Daughters 0.5*(PTA*EW) mean?

You'd want a degree in abbreviations and statistics to figure out this sh1t. Or am I the only thick one here, anybody else getting lost?

pakalasa · 09-01-2013 8:36am

PTA - Predicted Transmitting Ability
PEW - Progeny Economic Weight
GEW - Grand Progeny Economic Weight

WTF - What The Fook

tanko · 09-01-2013 12:07pm

mikeoh wrote: »

Just looking at Angus bulls ,all the good bulls have bad figures and the bad bulls figures are better eg.NKN has brutal numbers and he the most sought after bull in years and the likes of SYT and MPD topping the list..........have they been telling us to us the wrong bulls all along or are these ratings getting more respect than they deserve...........I'm going to be paying more attention to linear type from now on at least the shape and size of the bull won't change

Even the linear type figures for bulls have changed, eg the muscle figure for OZS has gone from 126 in august to 114 in december and his skeletal figure has gone from 117 to 111. These figures have a reliability of around 50% which means that they aren't worth the paper they're written on.

pakalasa · 09-01-2013 12:37pm

I have a pedigree heifer that is 3 generations AI breeding. All 3 bulls have reliability over 90% and the great granddam is a full sister to a well known bull in irish AI. Yet the figures for this heifer are only down around 30% to 40% reliability.
So at 40% reliable, is that 60% unreliable? And apart from the heavily used AI bulls, how useful are these figures.

RobinBanks · 09-01-2013 12:51pm

I dont seem to be able to find any 5 star bulls now with this new system. Its one of my tasks to use a certain percentage of 5 star bull for the BTAP scheme but this is proving near impossible

tismesoitis · 09-01-2013 8:17pm

anywhere we can see a list of all bulls in their breed groups easier to compare

mikeoh · 09-01-2013 9:30pm

I wonder how do the ratings hold up to UK breedplan eg. TFX in top 1% terminal in UK but way down the list here...(he was 5* under old system) .......are there any other UK bulls in Irish Ai just to compare

pakalasa · 05-02-2013 11:13am

The Weanling Weights & weanling Price can be found in the following Excel File; at top under Dec 2012
http://www.icbf.com/services/evaluations/beef.php

need_2_know · 15-03-2013 6:06pm

Any suggestions on AI sire to use on a Charolais MAJOR/CF52 Heifer?
Born Jan 2011

pakalasa · 20-08-2013 4:35pm

Today is Official Publication Date isn't it? I want to use some of the new bulls in NCBC but would like to know their Calving figures first.

bogman_bass · 20-08-2013 4:42pm

I've yet to see a proof run released on time

FYM · 20-08-2013 4:56pm

There are due today according to the old web page waiting to see how a number of charolais and limo bull have got on??

just do it · 20-08-2013 7:58pm

pakalasa wrote: »

Today is Official Publication Date isn't it? I want to use some of the new bulls in NCBC but would like to know their Calving figures first.

Which ones are you thinking of paka?

pakalasa · 20-08-2013 8:53pm

just do it wrote: »

Which ones are you thinking of paka?

TVR or EFZ. I've a Pedigree heifer that's calved a month and I would like to keep the easy calving side of things in the breeding.

Bodacious · 20-08-2013 10:14pm

pakalasa wrote: »

TVR or EFZ. I've a Pedigree heifer that's calved a month and I would like to keep the easy calving side of things in the breeding.

I used both Pak but id be wary of TVR calving ... be next feb/march before I cab be of any use to you though

I also liked and tried that GWO fine looking bull

bogman_bass · 20-08-2013 10:24pm

aye. TVR isnt the one to use for easy calving

pakalasa · 21-08-2013 7:18am

New figures are up now. Jazus, TVR is 13.6% for calving.

Mac Taylor · 21-08-2013 8:53am

Pak, Have a PB Bull calf off him - Second calver. She had a Dancer bull calf last year. No issue with Dancer but TVR was some pull. I am not surprised. Smashing calf off him though, even better than Dancer.

towzer2010 · 21-08-2013 9:18am

Nice one. I've used EFZ on 6 cows for next year and his CD figure has dropped to 6.10%. Going the right way.:D

I've two due to GWO next month and his CD figure has dropped as well but BZB is going up fairly quickly and I have one due in three weeks that is a bit to fat already. :eek: He was 3.50% in April 2012 and is 7.50% now.

My vet told me last month that the biggest increase he saw in caesarean sections was with Parthenaise bulls the last few years.

stanflt · 27-08-2013 9:04pm

one of my calves that didnt make it

Jumbo: HO426 Status: Born On Farm 147 days Dam: IE281381551189 FOWLERSTOWN PEONY 100 GP83 Animal Number: IE281381521426 Breed: HO (90.63%), FR (9.38%) Sire: ABO (IG) CASTLEBLAGH ODIE Sex: MALE
Date of Birth: 02-APR-2013
Animal Name: FOWLERSTOWN VIEW
EBI and Sub-Indexes Euro € Rel % Bottom Mean Top Top 10% Dairy EBI 292 56 hp_ebi_graph.php?ebi=208&milk=85&fert=140&calving=42&beef=61.538461538462&maint=-13&health=22.5

hp_ebi_graph.php?ebi=208&milk=85&fert=140&calving=42&beef=61.538461538462&maint=-13&health=22.5

168 Milk 89
61 Fertility 151
109 Calving 52
32 Beef 0
1 Maint -6
16 Health 1
4

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