New rimfire round

Boiled-egg

Anyone know anything about winchester's new rimfire round. Think it's due out in the US early in 2013

marlin vs

Its a secret.
http://www.huntingclub.com/blogs/articletype/articleview/articleid/14630/winchester-will-unveil-game-changing-rimfire-cartridge#.UNGKcaxV53f

dev110

There are a few different calibres being mentioned.

.25 mag
14 cal on a HM2 case
14 cal on a HMR case
17 cal HMR Hyper (light bullet) velocity
20 cal 5mm case Hyper (light bullet) velocity
19 cal 5mm case Hyper (light bullet) velocity

It will be an interesting calibre when it is released but will it be needed with the .22lr, .17 hmr, .17 hornet & .22 wmr?

http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f21/new-rimfire-caliber-winchester-78332/
http://www.saubier.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20650

J. Ramone

Whatever the shape, the key factor will be wind drift at extended ranges as that is the achilles heel of rimfires for varmint shooting/pest control. If it's an improvement on the HMR, it could be a hit.

J. Ramone

The money seems to be on a beefier 17. Hope no-one has gone out and bought the 17 hornet.

http://www.predatormastersforums.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2363878

Hibrion

If it hits the states in 2013 we'll be lucky to see it by the end of the decade! It does sound promising though.

rowa

Designed by the marketing people to shift new rifles and get winchesters name in the shooting magazines. Just like the wsm and wssm rounds were going to render everthing else obsolete, didn't happen.

tac foley

Ideal for gnat hunting.

tac

tomcat220t

It will most likely be some kind of 30gr-32gr 20 cal rimfire round ,imo.
If the quoted figures suggested are accurate ,it would be a good contender to the new 17 hornet .All that at rimfire prices :cool:
Regards ,Tomcat .

rowa

Meh, Its been tried before, 40 years ago.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_mm_Remington_Rimfire_Magnum

Longranger

Think I'll stick to my hmr. If I want a bit more poke I'll break out the .223,it's not too expensive to feed, and IMO there's no way winchester can get all that extra performance from a new rimfire without a fairly big price jump from the hmr. Just my 2c.
LR

tomcat220t

rowa wrote: »

Meh, Its been tried before, 40 years ago.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_mm_Remington_Rimfire_Magnum

Hi rowa,only time will tell what caliber it ends up .
Regards ,Tomcat.

rowa

tomcat220t wrote: »

Hi rowa,only time will tell what caliber it ends up .
Regards ,Tomcat.

Yes but what will it do that an air rifle or .22short/long/long rifle , .22 mag , .17hmr , .22hornet , .221 fireball , .222 rem, .223 rem etc etc can't ?

tomcat220t

rowa wrote: »

Yes but what will it do that an air rifle or .22short/long/long rifle , .22 mag , .17hmr , .22hornet , .221 fireball , .222 rem, .223 rem etc etc can't ?

Hi rowa,hard to tell what it will exactly do when we dont even know that it is, yet :P
The biggest animal to shoot on a rimfire in ireland is Mr fox .
If this rimfire has near x2 the hitting power @250 yards than any other rimfire then i would say it could be a cheap viable foxing round out to 150+ yards and rabbits out to 300+ yards .
Now ,that interests IF that was the case.
Regards ,Tomcat.

rowa

tomcat220t wrote: »

Hi rowa,hard to tell what it will exactly do when we dont even know that it is, yet :P
The biggest animal to shoot on a rimfire in ireland is Mr fox .
If this rimfire has near x2 the hitting power @250 yards than any other rimfire then i would say it could be a cheap viable foxing round out to 150+ yards and rabbits out to 300+ yards .
Now ,that interests IF that was the case.
Regards ,Tomcat.

According to good ol google , its going to be a .17 wsm (winchester super magnum) firing a 25 grain bullet. So basically its a puffed up .17hmr.

http://www.varminter.com/winchester-worlds-fastest-rimfire-cartridge-coming-2013/

tomcat220t

rowa wrote: »

According to good ol google , its going to be a .17 wsm (winchester super magnum) firing a 25 grain bullet. So basically its a puffed up .17hmr.

http://www.varminter.com/winchester-worlds-fastest-rimfire-cartridge-coming-2013/

Hi rowa,that answers that so ,cheers .
.17 WSM Vs 17 Hornet ....run the ballistics;)
.17 WSM 25gr @3000 fps B/C g1 .230
.17 Hornet 15.5gr@3870 fps B/C g1 .115
A little more than a 17hmr .
Regards ,Tomcat.

Longranger

Any sign? Supposed to be released today.....

rowa

Longranger wrote: »

Any sign? Supposed to be released today.....

This is ireland , you'd be lucky to see them before next christmas.

Hunter21

Winchester are probably more worried about meeting the massive rise in demand for ammo in the U.S. at the minute then making press releases about a new calibre

tac foley

J. Ramone wrote: »

The money seems to be on a beefier 17. Hope no-one has gone out and bought the 17 hornet.

http://www.predatormastersforums.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2363878

Somebody on another thread has been recommended to do just that.....

NOBODY here in yUK that I know has bought one.

tac

dev110

I wouldn't hold my breath for the new calibre. Winchester say it will be released early in 2013 which could be February before it gets released.

I say it will most likely be released at the Shot Show in Las Vagas which is the 15-18th January.

minktrapper

Anyone find out what the new Winchester rimfire round is.

Ziggieire

http://www.petersenshunting.com/2013/01/02/introducing-the-new-17-winchester-super-magnum/

It wasn't me!

Y'know, I wasn't exactly buzzed when I saw this at first, but that actually looks quite interesting. However, looking at the case design, is it going to be a unique base diameter (and therefore firing pin location)? If so, that's going to mean it never takes off, since you couldn't just rebarrel existing rimfires for it, and similarly, no rifle in .17 WSM (ill-fated acronym too!) could be rebarrelled in any other cartridge unless they make a line of suped-up rimfires on the same case diameter. Would love to play with one though for a bit, even if I think it's probably dead in conception.

Longranger

Looks ok but I'd love to know the cost of a box of 50. I don't think I'll be trading in the hmr any time soon......

garv123

A rimfire that can throw a 20gr bullet 700fps faster than the hmr can with a 20gr sounds impressive.

Will all come down to ammo pricing.

the hmr is about 32-35c a pop, 40-45c wouldn't be too unreasonable if it lives up to the performance promised

rowa

garv123 wrote: »

A rimfire that can throw a 20gr bullet 700fps faster than the hmr can with a 20gr sounds impressive.

Will all come down to ammo pricing.

the hmr is about 32-35c a pop, 40-45c wouldn't be too unreasonable if it lives up to the performance promised

The .17 hornet seems good too , it might be ideal if reloading were permitted here, as well as the option of rebarreling cheap shot out .22 hornets.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSqOdrYrNdA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

garv123

rowa wrote: »

The .17 hornet seems good too , it might be ideal if reloading were permitted here, as well as the option of rebarreling cheap shot out .22 hornets.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSqOdrYrNdA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

It does but without reloading its in the same price range as a .223 and why would you want less performance and range on foxes for a caliber of the same price.
And reloading would take 1000's of rounds to become cheaper by the time the price of the reloading gear is paid off.

tomcat220t

rowa wrote: »

The .17 hornet seems good too , it might be ideal if reloading were permitted here, as well as the option of rebarreling cheap shot out .22 hornets.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSqOdrYrNdA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Hi Rowa, cant see the .17 hornet been a big hit over here .
Regards,Tomcat

minktrapper

Anyone see what the case diameter is.Ideal for the Sako Quad if they introduce a new barrell.

rowa

minktrapper wrote: »

Anyone see what the case diameter is.Ideal for the Sako Quad if they introduce a new barrell.

Winchester say its developed from their .27 nail gun cartridge so guessing .27 necked down , its longer than the hmr though.

dev110

Article on Accurate Shooter:

New 3000 FPS Rimfire Round
Winchester has announced a new, high-velocity 17-caliber rimfire cartridge, the .17 Winchester Super Magnum (aka .17 Win Super Mag). The .17 Win Super Mag will initially be offered in three bullet types: 20gr plastic tip (Varmint HV), 25gr plastic tip (Varmint HE), and a 20gr JHP (Super-X). The 20-grain varieties boast a 3000 FPS muzzle velocity, earning honors as the fastest Rimfire ammo ever made.

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2013/01/winchesters-new-3000-fps-17-win-super-mag-rimfire/

minktrapper

rowa wrote: »

Winchester say its developed from their .27 nail gun cartridge so guessing .27 necked down , its longer than the hmr though.

It will never fit the Sako Quad it is too long a bullet,I'd think.

Cavan duck buster

here it is. jases i cant wait to see more of it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MIxmtY7gv8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQpSidQQ8YU

dev110

This calibre could become a good success.
It has me interested in it but the only thing is you can't rebarrel a rifle in it as you need a bigger bolt face than any other rimfire and according to the second clip with the pressures they are running you need a beefed up action and the likes.

They are saying ammo will be between $13-15

From the Midway USA website Eley Match retails for $14.79 = ~€11.10. I pay €11 per box so prices don't vary to much in that regard.

I say ammo will be between €10-15 for 50.
How much is a box of hmr here?

garv123

Anywhere between 14-20 depending on who's selling it. Winchester stuff was 12.50 in some places.

dev110

If the ammo is the same price as the hmr I say a few might change over the the WSM

ormondprop

I reckon it would be a good dual purpose hunting rifle although it would probably mince rabbits, nice bit more oomph for the foxes compared to a hmr but its probably going to be loud and will need a stronger mod compared to the likes of a sak and will need a whole new rifle design so guns will probably be expensive also i'd love to try one but the more i think about it i cant see myself changing either my .22 or my .204 for one and if i was getting another rifle it wouldn't be the wsm

dev110

I'm thinking the same as you Or. Where would it fit in? I have a .22 already which is perfect for rabbit and if I was going to something to hit foxes it would have to be a .204, .223 or a .243 for a dual purpose rifle.

What the WSM is offering really is CF performance for rimfire costs.

We probably won't see the rifle in here till 2014 so plenty of time to make up your mind

garv123

dev110 wrote: »

I'm thinking the same as you Or. Where would it fit in? I have a .22 already which is perfect for rabbit and if I was going to something to hit foxes it would have to be a .204, .223 or a .243 for a dual purpose rifle.

What the WSM is offering really is CF performance for rimfire costs.

We probably won't see the rifle in here till 2014 so plenty of time to make up your mind

It could fit in well for people who like the dual purpose rifles.

I want range bunny shooting so I use the hmr, and if a fox pops out I can also use the hmr.
Wssm would increase the range fox foxes and longer rabbits.

Then a .243 for foxing and deer stalking and a 12g for game. There's the 3 guns Id only ever need in the safe.

If it took off with available affordable ammo Id like to try it.

Longranger

At the moment i have my mossberg pump for game,6.5 swede for deer and hmr for rabbits. I can take rabbits to 200+ yds with the hmr and it does the job for charlie to 125 or so,if i have to go further for foxes i just use prvi ammo in the 6.5 as its nice and cheap and does the job further than i could ever shoot. The wsm would be great for 200 yard+ rabbits but it would destroy them inside that. With the issues with compatibility,shorter range meat damage,the price(no way can it be priced similar to the hmr regardless what winchester say) and the risk that it may never take off anyway,i dont think id bother changing the hmr. Id love to try the wsm but i just dont know if its necessary. Just my 2c. LR

yubabill1

Hey, guys
Just been leafing through Guns and Ammo in Easons and saw an article about the new 17 WSM. Seems like 3000fps at the muzzle from 20gr pill and around 2000fps at 200yds.
Case is from a commercial nailgun!
what do you think?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.17_Winchester_Super_Magnum

tomcat220t

yubabill1 wrote: »

Hey, guys
Just been leafing through Guns and Ammo in Easons and saw an article about the new 17 WSM. Seems like 3000fps at the muzzle from 20gr pill and around 2000fps at 200yds.
Case is from a commercial nailgun!
what do you think?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.17_Winchester_Super_Magnum

Hi yubabill,if the .17 wsm ammo comes in to the country cheap enough it will be a good seller ,imo.
Id buy one if the price was right on the ammo.
Regards,Tomcat.

yubabill1

Looks like I came to the party a day late and a dollar short!

Never mind.

Yes, Tomcat220t price will be everything.

Can we expect to see a drop in 17HMR ammo to a realistic value?

German pointer

Does anyone have any updates on this round / rifle ?

I know it is out in the US but any idea when it will get to dealers in Ireland?

dev110

I haven't heard much about the round since it was released. I think Savage have only started mass production on their rifles in the last month or so. Not sure if there are any other companies taking on the WSM.

nedcbr6

Any idea if and when will it come to ireland