Any website developers out there?

mikom

How much taxpayer money and carers respite allowance to create............... http://www.eu2013.ie/


The answer is not three fiddy.
I wish it was.

randombar

Go on!

donegal_road

I was just reading this. I know the figure, but I wont say. Just want to see what other people in the business say

mikom

GaryCocs wrote: »

Go on!

With all due respect Mrs Doyle, I'd like to get a feel for this first.

donegal_road wrote: »

I was just reading this. I know the figure, but I wont say. Just want to see what other people in the business say

As would I.

Zab

Nice site. Quarter mil, easy.

saiint

its four fiddy



ninja priced

Lone Stone

i could have made that with the 1998 version of dream weaver for fiddy euro.

Immaculate Pasta

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My name is URL

Quarter of a million euro and there's not even a mobile/touch version. They certainly weren't ripped off or anything.

donegal_road

Zab wrote: »

Nice site. Quarter mil, easy.

there is already a thread on this over on Politics.ie
Your opinion would definitely be in the minority category Zab

Boombastic

Is there dancing indas on it? I'm not clicking until this is confirmed.




Without looking I reckon about 1000% of what it should have cost

mikom

A knowledge economy/carers respite busting ......... 244 thousand Euro.

http://thestory.ie/2012/12/17/department-of-taoiseach-contracts-in-relation-to-eu-presidency/

Faith in government, minus 20 points.

CruelCoin

Not a web designer, but having had a website recently built for a friend with a similar functionality, would be surprised if it broke the 12500 mark.

djk1000

Just looked at the source code. It heavily uses an open source web development framework called JQuery. So most of the coding is freely available and easily customisable. I knocked up a nice looking site in a couple of days using that, with a mobile version and I couldn't design to save my live.

Gotham

AHAHAAHAHA

Click on the large A at the top for high contrast mode.
Now look at the logo on the top left.

I want my tax money back, now.

Funglegunk

Nice looking website. It has a very similar layout to the dozens and dozens of templates you see for sale for CMS packages like Joomla, Wordpress etc.

It was probably fairly cheaply made, though I'd be curious how much it actually cost myself.

Gotham

FORJOBS

http://i.imgur.com/LikZd.png

http://www.eu2013.ie/ireland-and-the-presidency/

seamus

Yeah, that's completely mad money.

What makes it worse is that the company who did it have created their own custom CMS for their customers. So most likely this website involved putting together a template and uploading it to their CMS. No more than a couple of weeks work for a small team. €40k worth, at an absolute maximum. A smaller independent development company could have done it much cheaper again.

Hosting for a year would be €10k. And that would be overkill.

I remember myself and my brother being asked by a foaf to do a website for an EU body, and we quoted them €10k. They came back and said they had a budget of €60k for it that they needed to spend. We said that we had no way we could ever justify charging that amount, so they went with a company who presumably had no such ethical dilemmas.

My name is URL

Funglegunk wrote: »

Nice looking website. It has a very similar layout to the dozens and dozens of templates you see for sale for CMS packages like Joomla, Wordpress etc.

It was probably fairly cheaply made, though I'd be curious how much it actually cost myself.

It cost €244,741.41!

http://www.thejournal.ie/government-eu-presidency-website-720802-Dec2012/

Funglegunk

My name is URL wrote: »

It cost €244,741.41!

http://www.thejournal.ie/government-eu-presidency-website-720802-Dec2012/

Yeah just read through the thread again and saw the link in a post above mine! That is absolutely insane money for a site like that.

mikom

Money pissed away again.

Duggy747

So. Much. White.

Going through the pages, it looks too busy with too many menus crammed in and the lack of borders separating them.

How the hell did the company receive €244,741 for this?

Boombastic

The government apologists have swayed me

Sure it's only a quarter of a mill, What's the problem?? DO you expect them to work for nothing...like robots? :pac:

Sully

As someone who runs a web design & development company, sometimes you have to remember that you cant judge a book by its cover. Its a very nice design, well laid out, good use of web standards and so on. It looks to the inexperienced eye as a simple job paddy down the road could have done for €500 (the amount of businesses who buy into the cheap designers/developers, thus costing them more in the long run or ending up with something awful is crazy these days).

But looks can be deceiving. You could give that specification to many businesses and each will price it differently, design and implement it differently. It appears to me that its more than just a bog standard website that allows various additional bits and bobs to be added, blogs, videos and so on with ease while ensuring the fancy cover remains. This would raise the price significantly. Some may implement the likes of WordPress or Joomla, but they are built to do certain things in a certain way so often for the more complicated specifications they are out of the question.

State websites will always cost more because a heck of a lot more work will go into it and its generally done by very well established professional businesses with a huge amount of experience in making websites for governments, websites that are complex and websites that must look well. This costs time and money. The more complex, the higher the cost.

But €244k does seem excessive. I cant see any business bidding in such large amounts unless that company genuinely feels - based on the specification given - that its a considerable amount of development and design work outside of the norm. I would need to see the specification in full before being able to judge and I don't think its fair that a lot of people jump to conclusion and start shouting the odds and claiming it could be done for like €500 for unemployed Paddy who sits around at home all day after he lost his job as a builder.

neil_hosey

WTFFFFF!!! 1/4 of a million?

SEPT 23 1989

I wonder how businesses who deal with the public and civil service can keep a straight face when negotiating money

Boombastic

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I wonder how businesses who deal with the public and civil service can keep a straight face when negotiating money

It's obviously a good deal, after all we have the best people in the country in the positions to negotiate, don't we?

ScumLord

seamus wrote: »

Hosting for a year would be €10k. And that would be overkill.

Where are ya going with your ten grand? €9.60 a month scan, all in.

SEPT 23 1989

Boombastic wrote: »

It's obviously a good deal, after all we have the best people in the country in the positions to negotiate, don't we?

Of course we do:D

Boombastic

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Of course we do:D

I could barely keep a straight face even typing that:D:pac:

UglyBolloxFace

Sully wrote: »

As someone who runs a web design & development company, sometimes you have to remember that you cant judge a book by its cover. Its a very nice design, well laid out, good use of web standards and so on. It looks to the inexperienced eye as a simple job paddy down the road could have done for €500 (the amount of businesses who buy into the cheap designers/developers, thus costing them more in the long run or ending up with something awful is crazy these days).

But looks can be deceiving. You could give that specification to many businesses and each will price it differently, design and implement it differently. It appears to me that its more than just a bog standard website that allows various additional bits and bobs to be added, blogs, videos and so on with ease while ensuring the fancy cover remains. This would raise the price significantly. Some may implement the likes of WordPress or Joomla, but they are built to do certain things in a certain way so often for the more complicated specifications they are out of the question.

State websites will always cost more because a heck of a lot more work will go into it and its generally done by very well established professional businesses with a huge amount of experience in making websites for governments, websites that are complex and websites that must look well. This costs time and money. The more complex, the higher the cost.

But €244k does seem excessive. I cant see any business bidding in such large amounts unless that company genuinely feels - based on the specification given - that its a considerable amount of development and design work outside of the norm. I would need to see the specification in full before being able to judge and I don't think its fair that a lot of people jump to conclusion and start shouting the odds and claiming it could be done for like €500 for unemployed Paddy who sits around at home all day after he lost his job as a builder.

Are you Kevin O'Sullivan?

Villain

www.eu2013.net

Seems apt

tricky D

Sully wrote: »

As someone who runs a web design & development company, sometimes you have to remember that you cant judge a book by its cover. Its a very nice design, well laid out, good use of web standards and so on. It looks to the inexperienced eye as a simple job paddy down the road could have done for €500 (the amount of businesses who buy into the cheap designers/developers, thus costing them more in the long run or ending up with something awful is crazy these days).

But looks can be deceiving. You could give that specification to many businesses and each will price it differently, design and implement it differently. It appears to me that its more than just a bog standard website that allows various additional bits and bobs to be added, blogs, videos and so on with ease while ensuring the fancy cover remains. This would raise the price significantly. Some may implement the likes of WordPress or Joomla, but they are built to do certain things in a certain way so often for the more complicated specifications they are out of the question.

State websites will always cost more because a heck of a lot more work will go into it and its generally done by very well established professional businesses with a huge amount of experience in making websites for governments, websites that are complex and websites that must look well. This costs time and money. The more complex, the higher the cost.

But €244k does seem excessive. I cant see any business bidding in such large amounts unless that company genuinely feels - based on the specification given - that its a considerable amount of development and design work outside of the norm. I would need to see the specification in full before being able to judge and I don't think its fair that a lot of people jump to conclusion and start shouting the odds and claiming it could be done for like €500 for unemployed Paddy who sits around at home all day after he lost his job as a builder.

There's a great post (can't find it right now) from a while back by The Corinthian about dealing with .gov and how costs rack up due the likes of: design by committees, multiple and inefficient decision-making processes, content gathering delays, people dropping out of projects, excessive training requirements, stupid budgets which must be completely spent (or we'll lose it next time) and a load more factors. Nevertheless 250k is way too much and reflects the 'add a zero' syndrome when dealing with .gov.

As for the big A high contrast look, whoever is responsible for accessibility should be fired.

I've tried but find the development cost for cy2012.eu

Aswerty

It's is utterly ludicrious that people compare a 500 euro wordpress site with the governments online platform for running the EU presidency. Large custom websites cost big money, to put it in perspective the following site http://www.python.org/ has been tendering for a redesign with a budget of $70,000. When you take into account the democratic process of decision making within public bodies it is not suprising the cost of doing business with a government is well beyond what you'd see with any other organisation.

With that said the price tag of 250k seems extremely high but more in the region of 2-3 times a reasonable cost and at that it's really is just guestimation without seeing a specification/contract.