help us IFA BVD SAMPLING

kingping007

Guys just wondering why do we need to go to all the extra costs of buying tags tagger the trouble of posting samples when all that needs to be done is when your herd is been blood tested during your annual test just test them samples for bvd. When is the IFA going to stand up for the farmer r are they getting a cut the same cut they get from the meat factories.:mad:

whelan1

surely its better to know asap after birth if an animal is bvd positive?????

mahoney_j

Whelan 1 is right if a calf has bvd you are better to know asap rather than wait for a few months at your herd test,Its quite possible that if you had a pi that it would spread it to further ainmals.As for the ifa forget about them in my opinion they are gone soft and are not very concerned with the farmer on the ground any more.My gripe with them goes back to when the early reteirement and inst aid were pulled and what did they do then they sat on there arses for a few weeks and when they decided to do something it was too late wheresas the pensioners mobilised the troops in double quick time and got there cuts reversed.Its beyond me why there wasnt mass pickets of the meat factories and milk coops this year,You could be on to something maby they are in bed with both!!

funny man

Blood testing for brucellosis will now be done every 5 years in non-dairy herds, so to use this as a method it would probably cost more than tissue testing. This is the quickest and most comprehensive way of ensuring that 99% of breeding females are checked over the three years. I blood tested any cow that aborted, or recycled last year and tagged all calves to ensure that the cows are clear.

ZETOR_IS_BETTER

funny man wrote: »

Blood testing for brucellosis will now be done every 5 years in non-dairy herds,

have you got a link to that? Have they increased it from 2 to 5 years?

whelan1

ZETOR_IS_BETTER wrote: »

have you got a link to that? Have they increased it from 2 to 5 years?

was in the budget

ZETOR_IS_BETTER

whelan1 wrote: »

was in the budget

Finally something in the budget has made me smile

kingping007

the way i see it the cows have been blood tested every year for how long and every second year for the last few years so these cows could have been done as 1.5 yr old heifers or if missed as breeding cows the carriers would be caught and got rid saving millions so why not use this method over the tagging don't get me wrong i want to get rid of bvd but thing the other method better than tagging, i wonder if all us farmers pulled our subscription to the ifa fat cats would they then listen to us and fight 4 us What method r they using abroad saw German imported calves on done deal suppose to be bvd free but no tags on their ears so i take it they r using the blood test then again no IFA there taking little cuts

rancher

kingping007 wrote: »

Guys just wondering why do we need to go to all the extra costs of buying tags tagger the trouble of posting samples when all that needs to be done is when your herd is been blood tested during your annual test just test them samples for bvd. When is the IFA going to stand up for the farmer r are they getting a cut the same cut they get from the meat factories.:mad:

Lucky you......you haven't got bvd in your herd yet.... when you do it'll cost you more than a few tags and a tagger
Jeez! you couldn't make it up

kingping007

i had bvd ranger, lost a heifer, had the vet treating her while waiting for blood test to come back so im well aware of the costs of bvd since then i vaccinate all my stock just pissed off with the extra costs placed on us and the fact the ifa dont question this they r prob all tillage men and dont care.. when a blood test which we are doing and doing 4 years is all that needs to be done the tag samples is bull**** in the cost sense why waste money farming is not a hobby its a business

funny man

kingping007 wrote: »

the way i see it the cows have been blood tested every year for how long and every second year for the last few years so these cows could have been done as 1.5 yr old heifers or if missed as breeding cows the carriers would be caught and got rid saving millions so why not use this method over the tagging don't get me wrong i want to get rid of bvd but thing the other method better than tagging, i wonder if all us farmers pulled our subscription to the ifa fat cats would they then listen to us and fight 4 us What method r they using abroad saw German imported calves on done deal suppose to be bvd free but no tags on their ears so i take it they r using the blood test then again no IFA there taking little cuts

Your speaking off testing in the past and what should have been done. Lets work in the present and the professional opinion is that the ear notch/tissue test is the most effective way of getting rid of BVD, firstly as whelan1 has pointed out it's the best way of identifying a PI early and secondly not so sure there is a cheaper method. The calves i seen from WCC had orange tags in their ears and may or may not have been notched, i don't know how you can come to that conclusion. we don't have to do everything the Germans do. I am afraid you are a little late entering this debate, the horse has already bolted most guys hear have already purchased the tags and quite a few (myself included) has already completed our voluntary year 2012.

whelan1

i see the bvd tagging system as the best way forward. everyone needs to realise that we have had 1 very successful year of it already and instead of moaning about it just do it:D

dar31

kingping007 wrote: »

the way i see it the cows have been blood tested every year for how long and every second year for the last few years so these cows could have been done as 1.5 yr old heifers or if missed as breeding cows the carriers would be caught and got rid saving millions so why not use this method over the tagging don't get me wrong i want to get rid of bvd but thing the other method better than tagging, i wonder if all us farmers pulled our subscription to the ifa fat cats would they then listen to us and fight 4 us What method r they using abroad saw German imported calves on done deal suppose to be bvd free but no tags on their ears so i take it they r using the blood test then again no IFA there taking little cuts

a bit confused, is this thread about the bvd testing or ifa bashing

or

a bit of sunday afternoon trolling

rancher

funny man wrote: »

Your speaking off testing in the past and what should have been done. Lets work in the present and the professional opinion is that the ear notch/tissue test is the most effective way of getting rid of BVD, firstly as whelan1 has pointed out it's the best way of identifying a PI early and secondly not so sure there is a cheaper method. The calves i seen from WCC had orange tags in their ears and may or may not have been notched, i don't know how you can come to that conclusion. we don't have to do everything the Germans do. I am afraid you are a little late entering this debate, the horse has already bolted most guys hear have already purchased the tags and quite a few (myself included) has already completed our voluntary year 2012.

We have a real opportunity now to eradicate this disease, the calf can be tested and got rid of before he becomes a problem, wished it was as easy get rid some of the other diseases that have come in to the country

jomoloney

kingping007 wrote: »

i had bvd ranger, lost a heifer, had the vet treating her while waiting for blood test to come back so im well aware of the costs of bvd since then i vaccinate all my stock just pissed off with the extra costs placed on us and the fact the ifa dont question this they r prob all tillage men and dont care.. when a blood test which we are doing and doing 4 years is all that needs to be done the tag samples is bull**** in the cost sense why waste money farming is not a hobby its a business

the ifa support the scheme cos they know it is the best approach to the problem, there have been numerous meetings & info seminars, did you voice your opinion at any of these .

pakalasa

More than one person on here has commented on how BVD was caused havoc in their herd. Incidentally all were in full support of this new scheme. Once we get rid of all the PI's from the national herd, and a huge chunk of these will be identified in the first year, we should be a long way to getting rid of the disease.

5live

kingping007 wrote: »

Guys just wondering why do we need to go to all the extra costs of buying tags tagger the trouble of posting samples when all that needs to be done is when your herd is been blood tested during your annual test just test them samples for bvd. When is the IFA going to stand up for the farmer r are they getting a cut the same cut they get from the meat factories.:mad:

Because the blood test will only show that the cow/heifer has BVD. There is no test currently to find out if the unborn calf has BVD.

So while all your cows could test negative for BVD, all, some or none of your calves could be PIs which could remain in your herd to perpetuate the problem. So if your calf tests negative for BVD the cow does too. And if the calf tests positive you will have saved yourself the same problem as you already have had with possible continuation of the problem in your herd.

And what cut are the IFA getting...:P

I smell bad!!!

kingping007 wrote: »

Guys just wondering why do we need to go to all the extra costs of buying tags tagger the trouble of posting samples when all that needs to be done is when your herd is been blood tested during your annual test just test them samples for bvd. When is the IFA going to stand up for the farmer r are they getting a cut the same cut they get from the meat factories.:mad:

The IFA didn't want the vets having anything to do with the BVD eradication scheme. The BVD eradication scheme will fail, the good farmers will do it properly, but the loose lads (who always have missing tags, register late, bury dead cattle etc) won't do it properly. Should have gotten the vets to do it at the TB test. Would have been cheaper for the farmer for the vets to do it.

bogman_bass

kingping007 wrote: »

these cows could have been done as 1.5 yr old heifers

an aweful lot of damage could be done after 1.5 years.

the tagging is by far the best way of doing this

just do it

I suppose it's best to base a national eradication scheme on a sound scientific rational that is considered best international practice than on one farmers hunch as to the best way to do it.

bbam

No point in shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted...
Raising ideas on how this should be done AFTER the new system has been laid out and is within 2 weeks of going live is way too late..

You should have been lobbying two years ago when the talk of compulsary sampling was being muted first...

yes there is a cost associated but the potential savings for the national herd should be massive if BVD is eliminated.. IF it is eliminated.