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help us IFA BVD SAMPLING

  • 16-12-2012 11:52am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70 ✭✭


    Guys just wondering why do we need to go to all the extra costs of buying tags tagger the trouble of posting samples when all that needs to be done is when your herd is been blood tested during your annual test just test them samples for bvd. When is the IFA going to stand up for the farmer r are they getting a cut the same cut they get from the meat factories.:mad:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,786 ✭✭✭✭whelan1


    surely its better to know asap after birth if an animal is bvd positive?????


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,585 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Whelan 1 is right if a calf has bvd you are better to know asap rather than wait for a few months at your herd test,Its quite possible that if you had a pi that it would spread it to further ainmals.As for the ifa forget about them in my opinion they are gone soft and are not very concerned with the farmer on the ground any more.My gripe with them goes back to when the early reteirement and inst aid were pulled and what did they do then they sat on there arses for a few weeks and when they decided to do something it was too late wheresas the pensioners mobilised the troops in double quick time and got there cuts reversed.Its beyond me why there wasnt mass pickets of the meat factories and milk coops this year,You could be on to something maby they are in bed with both!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 908 ✭✭✭funny man


    Blood testing for brucellosis will now be done every 5 years in non-dairy herds, so to use this as a method it would probably cost more than tissue testing. This is the quickest and most comprehensive way of ensuring that 99% of breeding females are checked over the three years. I blood tested any cow that aborted, or recycled last year and tagged all calves to ensure that the cows are clear.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 574 ✭✭✭ZETOR_IS_BETTER


    funny man wrote: »
    Blood testing for brucellosis will now be done every 5 years in non-dairy herds,

    have you got a link to that? Have they increased it from 2 to 5 years?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,786 ✭✭✭✭whelan1


    have you got a link to that? Have they increased it from 2 to 5 years?

    was in the budget


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 574 ✭✭✭ZETOR_IS_BETTER


    whelan1 wrote: »
    was in the budget

    Finally something in the budget has made me smile :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70 ✭✭kingping007


    the way i see it the cows have been blood tested every year for how long and every second year for the last few years so these cows could have been done as 1.5 yr old heifers or if missed as breeding cows the carriers would be caught and got rid saving millions so why not use this method over the tagging don't get me wrong i want to get rid of bvd but thing the other method better than tagging, i wonder if all us farmers pulled our subscription to the ifa fat cats would they then listen to us and fight 4 us What method r they using abroad saw German imported calves on done deal suppose to be bvd free but no tags on their ears so i take it they r using the blood test then again no IFA there taking little cuts


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,142 ✭✭✭rancher


    Guys just wondering why do we need to go to all the extra costs of buying tags tagger the trouble of posting samples when all that needs to be done is when your herd is been blood tested during your annual test just test them samples for bvd. When is the IFA going to stand up for the farmer r are they getting a cut the same cut they get from the meat factories.:mad:

    Lucky you......you haven't got bvd in your herd yet.... when you do it'll cost you more than a few tags and a tagger
    Jeez! you couldn't make it up


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70 ✭✭kingping007


    i had bvd ranger, lost a heifer, had the vet treating her while waiting for blood test to come back so im well aware of the costs of bvd since then i vaccinate all my stock just pissed off with the extra costs placed on us and the fact the ifa dont question this they r prob all tillage men and dont care.. when a blood test which we are doing and doing 4 years is all that needs to be done the tag samples is bull**** in the cost sense why waste money farming is not a hobby its a business


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 908 ✭✭✭funny man


    the way i see it the cows have been blood tested every year for how long and every second year for the last few years so these cows could have been done as 1.5 yr old heifers or if missed as breeding cows the carriers would be caught and got rid saving millions so why not use this method over the tagging don't get me wrong i want to get rid of bvd but thing the other method better than tagging, i wonder if all us farmers pulled our subscription to the ifa fat cats would they then listen to us and fight 4 us What method r they using abroad saw German imported calves on done deal suppose to be bvd free but no tags on their ears so i take it they r using the blood test then again no IFA there taking little cuts

    Your speaking off testing in the past and what should have been done. Lets work in the present and the professional opinion is that the ear notch/tissue test is the most effective way of getting rid of BVD, firstly as whelan1 has pointed out it's the best way of identifying a PI early and secondly not so sure there is a cheaper method. The calves i seen from WCC had orange tags in their ears and may or may not have been notched, i don't know how you can come to that conclusion. we don't have to do everything the Germans do. I am afraid you are a little late entering this debate, the horse has already bolted most guys hear have already purchased the tags and quite a few (myself included) has already completed our voluntary year 2012.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,786 ✭✭✭✭whelan1


    i see the bvd tagging system as the best way forward. everyone needs to realise that we have had 1 very successful year of it already and instead of moaning about it just do it:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,704 ✭✭✭dar31


    the way i see it the cows have been blood tested every year for how long and every second year for the last few years so these cows could have been done as 1.5 yr old heifers or if missed as breeding cows the carriers would be caught and got rid saving millions so why not use this method over the tagging don't get me wrong i want to get rid of bvd but thing the other method better than tagging, i wonder if all us farmers pulled our subscription to the ifa fat cats would they then listen to us and fight 4 us What method r they using abroad saw German imported calves on done deal suppose to be bvd free but no tags on their ears so i take it they r using the blood test then again no IFA there taking little cuts


    a bit confused, is this thread about the bvd testing or ifa bashing

    or

    a bit of sunday afternoon trolling


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,142 ✭✭✭rancher


    funny man wrote: »
    Your speaking off testing in the past and what should have been done. Lets work in the present and the professional opinion is that the ear notch/tissue test is the most effective way of getting rid of BVD, firstly as whelan1 has pointed out it's the best way of identifying a PI early and secondly not so sure there is a cheaper method. The calves i seen from WCC had orange tags in their ears and may or may not have been notched, i don't know how you can come to that conclusion. we don't have to do everything the Germans do. I am afraid you are a little late entering this debate, the horse has already bolted most guys hear have already purchased the tags and quite a few (myself included) has already completed our voluntary year 2012.

    We have a real opportunity now to eradicate this disease, the calf can be tested and got rid of before he becomes a problem, wished it was as easy get rid some of the other diseases that have come in to the country


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 859 ✭✭✭jomoloney


    i had bvd ranger, lost a heifer, had the vet treating her while waiting for blood test to come back so im well aware of the costs of bvd since then i vaccinate all my stock just pissed off with the extra costs placed on us and the fact the ifa dont question this they r prob all tillage men and dont care.. when a blood test which we are doing and doing 4 years is all that needs to be done the tag samples is bull**** in the cost sense why waste money farming is not a hobby its a business


    the ifa support the scheme cos they know it is the best approach to the problem, there have been numerous meetings & info seminars, did you voice your opinion at any of these .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭pakalasa


    More than one person on here has commented on how BVD was caused havoc in their herd. Incidentally all were in full support of this new scheme. Once we get rid of all the PI's from the national herd, and a huge chunk of these will be identified in the first year, we should be a long way to getting rid of the disease.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,438 ✭✭✭5live


    Guys just wondering why do we need to go to all the extra costs of buying tags tagger the trouble of posting samples when all that needs to be done is when your herd is been blood tested during your annual test just test them samples for bvd. When is the IFA going to stand up for the farmer r are they getting a cut the same cut they get from the meat factories.:mad:
    Because the blood test will only show that the cow/heifer has BVD. There is no test currently to find out if the unborn calf has BVD.

    So while all your cows could test negative for BVD, all, some or none of your calves could be PIs which could remain in your herd to perpetuate the problem. So if your calf tests negative for BVD the cow does too. And if the calf tests positive you will have saved yourself the same problem as you already have had with possible continuation of the problem in your herd.

    And what cut are the IFA getting...:P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19 I smell bad!!!


    Guys just wondering why do we need to go to all the extra costs of buying tags tagger the trouble of posting samples when all that needs to be done is when your herd is been blood tested during your annual test just test them samples for bvd. When is the IFA going to stand up for the farmer r are they getting a cut the same cut they get from the meat factories.:mad:
    The IFA didn't want the vets having anything to do with the BVD eradication scheme. The BVD eradication scheme will fail, the good farmers will do it properly, but the loose lads (who always have missing tags, register late, bury dead cattle etc) won't do it properly. Should have gotten the vets to do it at the TB test. Would have been cheaper for the farmer for the vets to do it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,101 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    these cows could have been done as 1.5 yr old heifers


    an aweful lot of damage could be done after 1.5 years.

    the tagging is by far the best way of doing this


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭just do it


    I suppose it's best to base a national eradication scheme on a sound scientific rational that is considered best international practice than on one farmers hunch as to the best way to do it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭bbam


    No point in shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted...
    Raising ideas on how this should be done AFTER the new system has been laid out and is within 2 weeks of going live is way too late..

    You should have been lobbying two years ago when the talk of compulsary sampling was being muted first...

    yes there is a cost associated but the potential savings for the national herd should be massive if BVD is eliminated.. IF it is eliminated.


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