Silky skills or downright dangerous!

homer simpson

Or maybe both...

Words cannot describe this. I would have kicked lumps out of this guy when back on the ground again for trying to kill me then I'd buy him a pint for flying like that!

But seriously, could there be repercussions for this guy?

*skip to around the 2 minute mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRhWv5Hg3O4

sparrowcar

Who cares, that's incredible skill

Comhrá

He'd be a God-send as a pilot for these LOCO airlines that like to save a bit of time with the approach and get the landing done as fast as possible and then expedite the taxi in.:D

robinph

The first tandem jump I did in Wanaka, New Zealand I was surprised to see the plane on the ground before those of us that had jumped and a guy with the video camera out of the plane and filming us coming in to land so the pilot of that plane must have been doing something similar.

phonypony

Reminds me of this great video (may have been posted here before)

http://youtu.be/hTJ9Cv73P08

Xpro

I think all the skydive pilots like the steep approaches.

If you go to clonbullogue you will see their PC6 porter doing some serious steep turns on base turns. Quite amazing , but then again those plane are made for that.

Check this out: ( Parachute guy changed his mind)

seven_eleven

I have seen this exact thing happen here in Ireland during the summer many times. We visited an airfield for the day back around august, and there just happened to be parachute activity going on so we watched it when we landed. I swear to god, I thought the plane was goign to crash and burn in a gigantic explosion when it turned for finals.
Must have made a 180 degree turn at 100ft or below only to level out at the last second and stop in less thant 1000ft on the runway.
Amazing.

amen

I'm not a pilot but that looks like the pilot knows what he is doing and is in control the whole way down. You can't see the throttles but from the prop speed he appears to be adjusting speed depending on the manuover and is control of plane.

Channel 4 had a documentary on TV last year covering medical evacuations from Kabul. They had cockpit footage of the descent which was 30,000 to landing in less than 10 mins. Pilot stated that followed a cork screw pattern that leaves them lined up near the runway threshold at the correct height to minimise the risk of air to ground missles, rpgs and small arms fire.

Nforce

The landing looks nothing out of the ordinary for meat bomb pilots. The aircraft looks like a Dornier Do-28?

Crop sprayer pilot's manoeuvres are equally as thrilling to the general masses.

McNulty737

Nforce wrote: »

The landing looks nothing out of the ordinary for meat bomb pilots. The aircraft looks like a Dornier Do-28?

Crop sprayer pilot's manoeuvres are equally as thrilling to the general masses.

ah cmon, give credit where its due...that landing was awesome skill, way above average skill level there. possibly way above average stupidity level aswell, but sure you can only admire it.

FWVT

There are old pilots and bold pilots, but there are no old bold pilots. That idiot should have his license taken off him. He's obviously done it many times before but all it takes is one turbulent eddie and he and his passenger are meat. I equate him to the tools you see standing on motobikes doing wheelies at 100 mph down a motorway.

Nforce

McNulty737 wrote: »

ah cmon, give credit where its due...that landing was awesome skill, way above average skill level there. possibly way above average stupidity level aswell, but sure you can only admire it.

Looks like a military pilot's break to landing..so he's probably ex-armed service. Let's see him do the same approach and landing into a small grass field!!!:P

Have a look at the landing at the 18:30 mark in my video of the IPC PC-6 landing on rwy28 at Abbeyshrule....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1qCzBLq8rM

McNulty737

Nforce wrote: »

Looks like a military pilot's break to landing..so he's probably ex-armed service. Let's see him do the same approach and landing into a small grass field!!!:P

Have a look at the landing at the 18:30 mark in my video of the IPC PC-6 landing on rwy28 at Abbeyshrule....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1qCzBLq8rM

nice bit of flying but not even close to the same thing as the parachute guy....

bluecode

Amusing to see the 'conventional' pilots spluttering into their coffee. There's nothing inherently dangerous in that video. Just a routine parachute flight.

Looks like a military pilot's break to landing..so he's probably ex-armed service. Let's see him do the same approach and landing into a small grass field!!!

Actually it's pretty standard diverdriver flying. You can see it at any of the dropzones here and abroad. Plenty of videos on youtube. After the drop there's a maximum rate of descent followed by a high speed turn on approach and a rapid shedding of speed on short finals. Stop, pick up the next batch and get airborne again waving as they pass the previous skydivers still in their parachutes.

Remember those pilots might fly those aircraft ten, fifteen, twenty times a day, in the air up to eight hours. If you want to improve your stick and rudder skills take up skydive flying or crop dusting.

After a season skydive flying you too will end flying like Bob Hoover (well almost).

Nforce

I believe that the PC-6 pilot's engage beta/reverse prop during the vertical dive in order to avoid exceeding the VNE.

homer simpson

Seems it was a Dornier 28, here is a video that has just been put online, a view from the outside.

FWVT

bluecode wrote: »

Amusing to see the 'conventional' pilots spluttering into their coffee. There's nothing inherently dangerous in that video. Just a routine parachute flight.



Actually it's pretty standard diverdriver flying. You can see it at any of the dropzones here and abroad. Plenty of videos on youtube. After the drop there's a maximum rate of descent followed by a high speed turn on approach and a rapid shedding of speed on short finals. Stop, pick up the next batch and get airborne again waving as they pass the previous skydivers still in their parachutes.

Remember those pilots might fly those aircraft ten, fifteen, twenty times a day, in the air up to eight hours. If you want to improve your stick and rudder skills take up skydive flying or crop dusting.

After a season skydive flying you too will end flying like Bob Hoover (well almost).

Just because it's done widely does not make it any safer. I wouldn't be looking to parachute clubs for the highest teachings in safety given what was going on here at home up to recently.

A high bank angle turn like that so close to the ground is not a good idea, regardless of who's doing it. The laws of physics apply to all.

Xpro

Nforce wrote: »

I believe that the PC-6 pilot's engage beta/reverse prop during the vertical dive in order to avoid exceeding the VNE.

They probably do, but its not something that POH tells to do:)

"Reverse trust no to be used in flight"

bluecode

And yet the countryside is not littered with the wrecks of skydive aircraft. Most skydive aircraft accidents happen during take off.

You have to remember skydive aircraft fly on minimum fuel and are empty in the descent and as can be seen in the second video travelling at high speed. Thus the potential for a stall is much less. Then there's the aircraft itself. The Do28 is known for it's benign low speed handling. Plus there's the pilot who is undoubtedly very experienced.

So if a hundred hour PPL tried the same thing in your Cessna 172 he would undoubtedly die. Not quite the same thing as a pilot who has flown a hundred hours and three hundred landings in the last two months.

You wouldn't think an airshow pilot is reckless, yet the average airshow pilot flies a lot less than a working skydive pilot.

To be fair his turn to finals is a little steeper than I am currently comfortable with.

bluecode

Xpro wrote: »

They probably do, but its not something that POH tells to do:)

"Reverse trust no to be used in flight"

The Porter is approved for a beta descent.

Nforce

bluecode wrote: »

The Porter is approved for a beta descent.

One of the few aircraft that is.


I was up at Clonbullogue a couple of years ago and even the visiting Shorts Skyvans were being thrown around the sky!:D

Xpro

bluecode wrote: »

The Porter is approved for a beta descent.

Whats beta descent? Can you use reverse then?

The one i was in had sticker beside the throttle saying do not reverse in flight?

Thanks

pclancy

Great videos. I've also been amazed at the skill of skydive pilots, probably one of the most enjoyable types of paid flying in a world most people never see into. Since coming to NZ I've also been blown away by the skill of ag pilots doing cropdusting, man those guys can fly.

bluecode

No expert on the PC6 but beta is when the blades produce minimal or no thrust but plenty of drag. This is at flight idle. To get reverse you have to lift the lever through a gate. That isn't allowed in flight.

bombs away

Have to agree with FWVT on this one, while showing impressive skill that type of landing is reckless at best. Would'nt take much to put him in the trees. Remind me not to go on any skydiving courses any time soon :P

Stovepipe

A couple of points; it's only done with a turbine aircraft as you'd shock-cool (ie, ruin a cylinder-instant sacking offense for the pilot) a piston engine if you tried it and two, it's not flawless and does go wrong and has cost at least two airframes in Ireland. It's also borderline reckless, especially close to the ground.

regards
Stovepipe

robinph

bombs away wrote: »

Remind me not to go on any skydiving courses any time soon :P

Just jump out of the plane before they land and you'll be fine.

dilallio

robinph wrote: »

Just jump out of the plane before they land and you'll be fine.

All they have to do is to show the video to any skydivers - once airborne, nobody will back out and refuse to jump.

Mike747

Interesting thread. I live near an airfield where parachuting takes place and I've often seen the plane come in fast to land. Always gives me thrill to see.

smurfjed

Always gives me thrill to see.

Of all the types of general aviation flying, dropping skydivers has to be the most fun, especially as you are allowed to fly like that :)

It sounds like a lot of you would complain about Bob Hoover in his strike commander

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZBcapxGHjE

smurfjed

islanderre

Incredible video that Bob Hoover one; he seems so down to earth describing how its all down to 'energy management'!!!
Would pay good money to experience that in the passenger seat!!!!

bluecode

islanderre wrote: »

Incredible video that Bob Hoover one; he seems so down to earth describing how its all down to 'energy management'!!!
Would pay good money to experience that in the passenger seat!!!!

Well it seems all you have to do is go flying with your local skydive pilot!