Correct Protocol at Crossroads

ChicaneAuto

When you meet a car approaching from the opposite direction at a crossroads, you are both turning right what do YOU do?

I always try to drive around the other car end for end so as to avoid that awkward who goes first moment were we each flash at one another profusely.
Sadly it rarely occurs to the other driver to follow the procedure the rules of the road book teaches, really annoys me.
When I do find a driver that participates in the motorised ballet I feel like we're part of a secret club and we have just performed the secret handshake.

Anyone else find this? Got any ideas for encouraging this practice? I wish the RSA would do an infomercial for it just like the motorway merging one.it is a safety issue after all. Because in the confusion it's easy to take your eye off the approaching traffic.

Supergurrier

I go first as i haven't all day

Bigcheeze

I'd do that at a cross roads. i.e. 4 stop signs, roads of equal importance.

What do you do when you're facing each other on minor roads attempting to turn right on to a road of greater importance. You can't coordinate a right turn in this scenario.

ChicaneAuto

Supergurrier wrote: »

I go first as i haven't all day

Haha yeah good approach!
Yeah but what happens if the other driver has the same approach? Takes less time to go around behind them. Only if they go around behind you too though.

shed head

ChicaneAuto wrote: »

When you meet a car approaching from the opposite direction at a crossroads, you are both turning right what do YOU do?

I always try to drive around the other car end for end so as to avoid that awkward who goes first moment were we each flash at one another profusely.
Sadly it rarely occurs to the other driver to follow the procedure the rules of the road book teaches, really annoys me.
When I do find a driver that participates in the motorised ballet I feel like we're part of a secret club and we have just performed the secret handshake.

Anyone else find this? Got any ideas for encouraging this practice? I wish the RSA would do an infomercial for it just like the motorway merging one.it is a safety issue after all. Because in the confusion it's easy to take your eye off the approaching traffic.

Is this really correct protocol? What if there is more than one car - then what?

Bigcheeze

The other problem with using this manouver is that nearly everyone ignores the rule that only 1 car should enter the junction so if you try to do it you get blocked from turning by the retards who have followed the first car on to the junction.

Bigcheeze

shed head wrote: »

Is this really correct protocol? What if there is more than one car - then what?

See above. Only one car from each side is allowed to enter the junction but most ignore this rule.

corktina

i thought you should go drivers door to drivers door in order to maintain sight lines.

shed head

Bigcheeze wrote: »

See above. Only one car from each side is allowed to enter the junction but most ignore this rule.

ah ok

djimi

In lieu of the "hooking around" the other car scenario, which never seems to happen in real life, I generally operate a principle of whoever arrives at the junction first pulls out first, which in all my time of driving has served me well and pretty much every other driver Ive come across seems to be on the same page.

If you both arrive at the same time then someone usually someone waves the other car out. Its not really a problem that I have ever had to put a lot of thought into tbh; it usually just seems to work itself out.

ChicaneAuto

Bigcheeze wrote: »

I'd do that at a cross roads. i.e. 4 stop signs, roads of equal importance.

What do you do when you're facing each other on minor roads attempting to turn right on to a road of greater importance. You can't coordinate a right turn in this scenario.

In practice a lot of the time no, but technically if it's an open junction and you can see both ways why not? If it's safe for the other driver to cross both lanes then it is for you too.

ChicaneAuto

corktina wrote: »

i thought you should go drivers door to drivers door in order to maintain sight lines.

Yeah but that should be followed up with the hook around manoeuvre. The next set of drivers will then enter the junction and do the same, ideally.

ChicaneAuto

djimi wrote: »

In lieu of the "hooking around" the other car scenario, which never seems to happen in real life, I generally operate a principle of whoever arrives at the junction first pulls out first, which in all my time of driving has served me well and pretty much every other driver Ive come across seems to be on the same page.

If you both arrive at the same time then someone usually someone waves the other car out. Its not really a problem that I have ever had to put a lot of thought into tbh; it usually just seems to work itself out.

Yea but this is still a reaction to the fact that the rules are not being adhered to, or even best practice. But to me and my anal retentiveness I feel disappointed when people don't do it the right way that's been proven to be most efficient.

Btw I am by no means proclaiming myself to be a great driver!

In the aviation world if procedures slip to this degree of confusion, reports are made and recommendations made, however this is trivialised in driving and I have to wonder is it the acceptance of these little things that lead to overall lower standards of driving.

dgt

Whoever got there 1st.... Although normally I'd bully out if I got away with it

Could you be on about the crossroads I'm thinking about....

ChicaneAuto

dgt wrote: »

Whoever got there 1st.... Although normally I'd bully out if I got away with it

Could you be on about the crossroads I'm thinking about....

Ha typical dgt driving style, banditry at it's best!
Could well be

djimi

ChicaneAuto wrote: »

Yea but this is still a reaction to the fact that the rules are not being adhered to, or even best practice. But to me and my anal retentiveness I feel disappointed when people don't do it the right way that's been proven to be most efficient.

Btw I am by no means proclaiming myself to be a great driver!

In the aviation world if procedures slip to this degree of confusion, reports are made and recommendations made, however this is trivialised in driving and I have to wonder is it the acceptance of these little things that lead to overall lower standards of driving.

To be honest sometimes in driving common sense takes precidence over the rules of the road. This to me is one of those times. I dont think I have ever really had an issue with such a situation; common sense and intuition seem to kick in for most drivers.

In driving best practice is what gets you from A to B in one piece. In this case if it means not trying to pull off a manouevre that both drivers are not comfortable with, and instead relying on courtesy to resolve the situation then that is the best course of action.

ABajaninCork

You give way to your right, surely? In other words let the other car go first!

Mimikyu

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ABajaninCork

Captain Morgan wrote: »

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See below.

ABajaninCork wrote: »

You give way to your right, surely? In other words let the other car go first!

We drive on the right, here and you should give way to the right. Funny thing I've noticed here. Seems like NO-ONE likes to give way! (especially female drivers. And I speak as a female driver)

ron28688

hahahahahaha lulz

corktina

ABajaninCork wrote: »

See below.


We drive on the right, here and you should give way to the right. Funny thing I've noticed here. Seems like NO-ONE likes to give way! (especially female drivers. And I speak as a female driver)

sorry Hun, we drive on the left....most of us anyway

ABajaninCork

corktina wrote: »

sorry Hun, we drive on the left....most of us anyway

Sorry - my bad! Had a Blonde moment But you get what I mean! :P

Del2005

ChicaneAuto wrote: »

When you meet a car approaching from the opposite direction at a crossroads, you are both turning right what do YOU do?

I always try to drive around the other car end for end so as to avoid that awkward who goes first moment were we each flash at one another profusely.
Sadly it rarely occurs to the other driver to follow the procedure the rules of the road book teaches, really annoys me.
When I do find a driver that participates in the motorised ballet I feel like we're part of a secret club and we have just performed the secret handshake.

Anyone else find this? Got any ideas for encouraging this practice?

The ROTR has both procedures.

Turning right at a crossroads

When turning right at a crossroads and a car coming from the opposite direction is also turning right, if possible you should both try to turn back to back. This allows you and the other driver to see oncoming traffic and allows the traffic to see you.


Turning back to back



If you cannot do this, you may turn near-side to near-side if necessary. This means starting the turn while the vehicles are still facing each other.


Turning near side to near side

ChicaneAuto wrote: »

I wish the RSA would do an infomercial for it just like the motorway merging one.it is a safety issue after all. Because in the confusion it's easy to take your eye off the approaching traffic.

I haven't seen an improvement in driving since any of the infomercials ran.

The only way to improve driving standards is by enforcement with compulsory eye and practical tests at renewal., ads are a waste of time and our money

corktina

ha! You get one guy doing the first and another doing the second and there will be a BIG bang. How can you have two procedures in a case like that. effing ROTR are rubbish.

corktina

ABajaninCork wrote: »

Sorry - my bad! Had a Blonde moment But you get what I mean! :P

Blonde and from Cork? well,thats OK, you just drive wherever you want love...:D

ABajaninCork

corktina wrote: »

Blonde and from Cork? well,thats OK, you just drive wherever you want love...:D

My dear boy. As I am of Afro-Caribbean origin, the blonde look would be ghetto fabulous as we say in London!

corktina

ABajaninCork wrote: »

My dear boy. As I am of Afro-Caribbean origin, the blonde look would be ghetto fabulous as we say in London!

better again!Married? (oh damn forgot I am!)

you sound great fun, happy christmas...:D

MrDerp

If you get there first, push forward for the back to back maneuver. They'll either comply or wait because they think you're blocking their preferred side to side.

If you get there second, it should be clear which they're planning. Go with whatever they are doing. If they're straight they're probably back to back, if they're side to side there should be a good 30-45 degree angle already.

One thing I really like about driving in North America is that more often than not you're facing the opposite car head on in this scenario, so it's clear only side to side applies.