'09 petrol Mondeos- What to watch out for?

TRS30

Saw a nice 2009 2.0L petrol Zetec Mondeo this morning. 67K km with just a couple of scratches on the paint work. Mileage seems about right for an early '09.

Is was a one owner lease car however has a full service history.

What should I look out for on these? The break discs looked a bit worn.

Also the delaer is offering a 2 year warranty on everything apart from service items like break pads, filters etc for €400. Is this a good deal?

Bigus

TRS30 wrote: »

Saw a nice 2009 2.0L petrol Zetec Mondeo this morning. 67K km with just a couple of scratches on the paint work. Mileage seems about right for an early '09.

Is was a one owner lease car however has a full service history.

What should I look out for on these? The break discs looked a bit worn.

Also the delaer is offering a 2 year warranty on everything apart from service items like break pads, filters etc for €400. Is this a good deal?

Check the co2 tax rate on that before you go ahead. It'll be on the reg cert

TRS30

Bigus wrote: »

Check the co2 tax rate on that before you go ahead. It'll be on the reg cert

Yea is going to be €750 unfortunately however can live with that for reliability.

Any one at what Km's the break discs will need to be replaced? Or anything else I should check out for.

Wonda-Boy

Surely you will get a better deal off the dealer for sorting the service out, he will tell you if it needs a set of discs. It is disc's and not pads you are referring to? Tell him you will take it only if he sorts the discs if you not happy with them.

TRS30

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

Surely you will get a better deal off the dealer for sorting the service out, he will tell you if it needs a set of discs. It is disc's and not pads you are referring to? Tell him you will take it only if he sorts the discs if you not happy with them.

I don't know enough to know if they need to be replaced soon or not. I could just feel a bit of a lip on them. It was serviced in a Ford garage at 61K and has 65K on it now. Nest service is due at 81K so dont mind if they have to be replaced then as will at least 12/15 months before I would get to that.

veetwin

TRS30 wrote: »

Saw a nice 2009 2.0L petrol Zetec Mondeo this morning. 67K km with just a couple of scratches on the paint work. Mileage seems about right for an early '09.

Is was a one owner lease car however has a full service history.

What should I look out for on these? The break discs looked a bit worn.

Also the delaer is offering a 2 year warranty on everything apart from service items like break pads, filters etc for €400. Is this a good deal?

How much is the dealer asking? You say that he is "offering" a 2 year warranty for €400. Does this mean if you don't pay this there is no warranty?

2 litre petrol Mondeo is a great car but be aware it is almost saleproof. This is OK if you plan on holding onto the car for 5-10 years. If you think you might change again in 2 or 3 years you won't get too many takers for your car at current tax/petrol prices.

Also the brake discs should be nowhere near worn at 67K kms. And the paintwork should be sorted out if he's any sort of reputable dealer.

OP this is should be a good deal but only if it's cheap cheap cheap..

TRS30

veetwin wrote: »

How much is the dealer asking? You say that he is "offering" a 2 year warranty for €400. Does this mean if you don't pay this there is no warranty?

2 litre petrol Mondeo is a great car but be aware it is almost saleproof. This is OK if you plan on holding onto the car for 5-10 years. If you think you might change again in 2 or 3 years you won't get too many takers for your car at current tax/petrol prices.

Also the brake discs should be nowhere near worn at 67K kms. And the paintwork should be sorted out if he's any sort of reputable dealer.

OP this is should be a good deal but only if it's cheap cheap cheap..

He is giving a 3 month warranty or it's up to €400 for a 2 year warranty. I assume there is shorter warranties for less etc.

They might not be worn that much at all, I could just feel a bit of a lip on them however this could be normal and they might be good for another 67K.

If it was reliable i would be happy to drive it for at least 5+ years.

He is going to get teh paint work done if I go ahead with it. He is looking for €9K which seemd very good value espeically with full Ford service history.

veetwin

It's a lot of car for €9K. It was probably over €30K new just over 3 years ago. It should be reliable - maybe have a look a parkers.co.uk for any known issues. There won't be too many people around here that will have experience of this particular engine in a 09 Mondeo. The few petrol ones that arrived here since 2008 were the underpowered 1.6. The 2.0 litre should be lovely.

MuppetCheck

The 2 litre isn't that quick, but it is better than a 1.6. Sold a year older one but a higher spec for €8k this weekend. Completely faultless car, required a new clutch due to a fault but Ford covered it out of warranty.

TRS30

MuppetCheck wrote: »

The 2 litre isn't that quick, but it is better than a 1.6. Sold a year older one but a higher spec for €8k this weekend. Completely faultless car, required a new clutch due to a fault but Ford covered it out of warranty.

I am not worried about it being quick jsut want something that is reliable.

How many miles were on it?

Do you know at what mileage the break disc usually need to be replaced? There is a bit of a lip on the disc on the one I am looking at.

Noel Kinsella

Dual mass flywheel,Dual mass flywheel, Dual mass flywheel,Dual mass flywheel if you get my point ! I have heard of people putting 2 and 3 flywheels into these in 40k miles its something to do with the clutch. I get the impression that if he is not covering brakes he is not covering clutch/flywheel either. The dealers try to blame driving style etc for failures but its actually a fault and the only remedy is to fit a solid flywheel, €800+ which also makes the clutch a lot heavier. Just google the problem or log in on ford forums etc. Hope this helps you.

MuppetCheck

76k km, brake discs never needed attention on it. In my opinion the car was barely run in, flew through the NCT (for whatever that test is worth), drove very well and like all Mondeos is a very comfortable place to travel in. I have no doubt that car could crack 250k with ease. They are hard to beat as a mile muncher. It did have a better spec than the one linked and that made a huge difference to the interior - personally wouldn't buy a Zetec.

Economy is about 40 mpg on long runs, but 22-24 around town. This wasn't the flexifuel derivative.

TRS30

MuppetCheck wrote: »

76k km, brake discs never needed attention on it. In my opinion the car was barely run in, flew through the NCT (for whatever that test is worth), drove very well and like all Mondeos is a very comfortable place to travel in. I have no doubt that car could crack 250k with ease. They are hard to beat as a mile muncher. It did have a better spec than the one linked and that made a huge difference to the interior - personally wouldn't buy a Zetec.

Economy is about 40 mpg on long runs, but 22-24 around town. This wasn't the flexifuel derivative.

Just rang a Ford garage there and they said should be no issues with break disc at that mileage so am probably worrying about nothing.

Do there have timing chains rather then belts? Also is the dual mass flywheel an issue as the post above mentions?

bazz26

Brake disc wear from my experience does not have a set mileage or age interval, it is down to how the car was driven or the quality of the discs. If somebody is heavy on the brakes then the discs can wear faster, also if the pads were not changed when they should be then the discs can get damaged and need replacing too.

I just had the original front discs on my car replaced after 70k miles even though I'm not a heavy braker but neither am I the first owner of the car.

MuppetCheck

DMF I don't know - I think some petrol Mondeos had them. There was an issue with this one where it wouldn't go into gear at the most inopportune time but this was resolved by Ford under goodwill. I think these are belts with 10 year intervals - never bothered to check as it was never going to be kept that long. Bought cheap and moved on without that big a loss tbh.

Noel Kinsella

MuppetCheck wrote: »

DMF I don't know - I think some petrol Mondeos had them. There was an issue with this one where it wouldn't go into gear at the most inopportune time but this was resolved by Ford under goodwill. I think these are belts with 10 year intervals - never bothered to check as it was never going to be kept that long. Bought cheap and moved on without that big a loss tbh.

You did well to get the DMF done under goodwill. Was it not ur driving style :-) A guy in Northern Ireland has made a very successful business out of flywheel issues I think he is called the " clutch doctor" or something like that :-) He always advertises in Auto Trader in the services section his add is the one with the sexy nurse ! Maybe the OP could give him a quick call for a "semi" impartial professional opinion ?

Henry Ford III

TRS30 wrote: »

Just rang a Ford garage there and they said should be no issues with break disc at that mileage so am probably worrying about nothing.

Do there have timing chains rather then belts? Also is the dual mass flywheel an issue as the post above mentions?

Per hate (and I realise it's not a spelling forum).

vandriver

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Per hate (and I realise it's not a spelling forum).

Spelling mistake in post about another's spelling prowess.

wandatowell

TRS30

I just rang a Ford garage and they told me that the car I'm looking at doesnt have a dual mass fly wheel!

Is this correct??

Noel Kinsella

TRS30 wrote: »

I just rang a Ford garage and they told me that the car I'm looking at doesnt have a dual mass fly wheel!

Is this correct??

I would get a second opinion to be honest. Call the specialist up north or into a good motorfactors the motorfactors should be able to tell you if you give them the reg number.

TRS30

Noel Kinsella wrote: »

I would get a second opinion to be honest. Call the specialist up north or into a good motorfactors the motorfactors should be able to tell you if you give them the reg number.

Rang another garage and they told me it does have one!

Also said that it is impossible to tell when it's going to go and to check if it needs replaces (as required a couple of hours labour). Costs about €1K to get it fixed!

Am going to make sure this is covered under the warranty!

MuppetCheck

DMF is a consumable, it rarely gives trouble on petrols. Whether it is common on a Mondeo I do not know as there are so few of them about. I wouldnt worry too much about it - Fords price will be higher than an independent anyway.

TRS30

MuppetCheck wrote: »

DMF is a consumable, it rarely gives trouble on petrols. Whether it is common on a Mondeo I do not know as there are so few of them about. I wouldnt worry too much about it - Fords price will be higher than an independent anyway.

Thanks. I just spoke with the garage and he said it would be covered under the warranty if it went.

Just trying to bargin him down a bit, any tips??

Plug

Flywheels wont give bother on the petrols. The bonnet cable can seize though.

TRS30

Plug wrote: »

Flywheels wont give bother on the petrols. The bonnet cable can seize though.

Is this a 'wear and tear' item or something that just 'goes'?

Plug

They just fail after a while. Not wear and tear. Don't worry about the car there fairly good.

Noel Kinsella

Plug wrote: »

Flywheels wont give bother on the petrols. The bonnet cable can seize though.

Any chance of an explanation of why the DMF would go on a Diesel and not a petrol ? I have heard of them going on petrols so I must have been miss informed I am not a mechanic but am very interested in mechanics and would like to understand. Thanks

Noel Kinsella

TRS30 wrote: »

Thanks. I just spoke with the garage and he said it would be covered under the warranty if it went.

Just trying to bargin him down a bit, any tips??

Ask him for a copy of the warranty to read over before buying, see is it an inclusion or exclusion warranty ie: they cover engine (usually the block only) and gearbox and bodywork (not to rust etc) "OR" they cover the whole car except brakes, bulbs etc etc I would also make sure anything he tells you is covered is actually mentioned in writing ie: DMF etc as sales men can have "misunderstandings" from time to time. If its not in writing your not getting it. Good luck with your purchase.

TRS30

Noel Kinsella wrote: »

Ask him for a copy of the warranty to read over before buying, see is it an inclusion or exclusion warranty ie: they cover engine (usually the block only) and gearbox and bodywork (not to rust etc) "OR" they cover the whole car except brakes, bulbs etc etc I would also make sure anything he tells you is covered is actually mentioned in writing ie: DMF etc as sales men can have "misunderstandings" from time to time. If its not in writing your not getting it. Good luck with your purchase.

Agree so I specifically asked him about DMF replacement and he said it was covered. I was only on the phone to him today so asked him to email me the warranty paper work so I can read through it.

Plug

Noel Kinsella wrote: »

Any chance of an explanation of why the DMF would go on a Diesel and not a petrol ? I have heard of them going on petrols so I must have been miss informed I am not a mechanic but am very interested in mechanics and would like to understand. Thanks

They can give bother in petrols just very rarely, I've never seen one fail. A diesel engine tends to vibrate and is not as smooth running as a petrol.