Household charge

delaval

How do I value my house as it is in farmyard? Surely massive devaluation being in farmyard

zetecescort

How can you value a farmhouse when there are very few that are sold without the rest of the farm to give you a guide?

yet more great planning from those in charge:mad:

X1R

Do you intend selling your house in the future?
Are you going to continue to farm?
NO !!
Why pay it other wise, it as a fine is redeemable when you sell on your house.
No sale-no fine.

blue5000

Can it have a negative value?

delaval

X1R wrote: »

Do you intend selling your house in the future?
Are you going to continue to farm?
NO !!
Why pay it other wise, it as a fine is redeemable when you sell on your house.
No sale-no fine.

There is no doubt that I will pay it just cannot figure value

zetecescort

X1R wrote: »

Do you intend selling your house in the future?
Are you going to continue to farm?
NO !!
Why pay it other wise, it as a fine is redeemable when you sell on your house.
No sale-no fine.

it will be collected from your next of kin/ sale of estate

delaval

Yes or from your SFP:(

Pacoa

Correct me if im wrong but i think the minimum you can value your house is 100k so that means you have to pay at least 180euro.

delaval

Pacoa wrote: »

Correct me if im wrong but i think the minimum you can value your house is 100k so that means you have to pay at least 180euro.

Cheers there is my answer!!!!!!

blue5000

Pacoa wrote: »

Correct me if im wrong but i think the minimum you can value your house is 100k so that means you have to pay at least 180euro.

Two houses sold near here recently for a lot less than 100k, one for 25k and another for 40k.

freedominacup

delaval wrote: »

How do I value my house as it is in farmyard? Surely massive devaluation being in farmyard

Mine can only be sold with a farm a I don't own according to the planning permission. I'm sorely tempted to put in zero on the valuation.

reilig

I have decided that I will gladly go along with this sham of a tax.

But, its going to be their loss in the long run. I'm going to pay a lot more attention to my tax. Tax will be claimed back on all medical expenses and anythiing else that is reclaimable. Farm income and expenditure will be monitored a lot more closely - ESB shared by farm and house, Car expenses, water expenses etc etc etc. They may get a couple of hundred off me for tax on the house, but its them that will be worse off in the long run. Not advocating anything illegal - just double scrutiny on everything!!

manjou

delaval wrote: »

Yes or from your SFP:(

Also they wont issue a tax clearance cert to you if you are self employed.As regards value of house will wait till they issue guideliones and then will try and find a way to reduce the value as much as possible.

pakalasa

blue5000 wrote: »

Can it have a negative value?

You might be entitled to money back so..:D

bbam

freedominacup wrote: »

Mine can only be sold with a farm a I don't own according to the planning permission. I'm sorely tempted to put in zero on the valuation.

Indeed..
But the lowest band is €0-€100K, everyone pays at the mid point of the band, so the lowest valuation taxed will be €50K, so isn't that a minimum payment of ~€90.

dvpower

X1R wrote: »

Do you intend selling your house in the future?
Are you going to continue to farm?
NO !!
Why pay it other wise, it as a fine is redeemable when you sell on your house.
No sale-no fine.

It will be an offence not to pay. It isn't optional.

TopTec

Those properties valued under 100k pay 90 euro.

In the medium term, once the suits have got their heads around the tax, you might find the farm is valued at a business rate and the farmhouse as a private residence.....

Commonly happens in the UK where the farmhouse may be seperate from the farmyard.

What constitutes a farm? I have a small dairy which is used to store stuff, an old farm yard that someone keeps calves in in the summer, and a couple of acres of mixed tree and grazing.... Farmyard? part of the cottage? seperate entity?

I reckon the property is the key - where you live. Value that only and that will give you the rate. There are so many exemptions and reductions in the UK Council tax, (Pyrite and the disabled for example), it can be complicated. I can see similar exemptions coming in over here.

TT

locky76

X1R wrote: »

Do you intend selling your house in the future?
Are you going to continue to farm?
NO !!
Why pay it other wise, it as a fine is redeemable when you sell on your house.
No sale-no fine.

Why draw revenue on you, would you not value the house at €150k and pay the €120 rate???

Sam Kade

X1R wrote: »

Do you intend selling your house in the future?
Are you going to continue to farm?
NO !!
Why pay it other wise, it as a fine is redeemable when you sell on your house.
No sale-no fine.

What about when your house is transferred? Unless you plan to live forever It wouldn't take long for the value of your house to be clocked up in unpaid property tax through tax + interest + penalties they could come knocking on your door someday saying that you no longer own your house :eek: This tax will only go one way and that is up :mad:

Muckit

I must go pay the first one!

X1R

What about when your house is transferred? Unless you plan to live forever It wouldn't take long for the value of your house to be clocked up in unpaid property tax through tax + interest + penalties they could come knocking on your door someday saying that you no longer own your house This tax will only go one way and that is up

It will be an offence not to pay. It isn't optional

An offence......!!!!
I paid over 5k for the privilege of building on my own site, "to pay for services like lighting, and footpaths" I am 2 mile from a small town that has its streets ripped up every second year and never repaired correctly.
The nearest lighting is 1 mile away??
To be honest the only offence is against me as a citizen of this fair Isle.
I have paid my dues as far as I am concerned, and am in NO way going to pay.
Anyone that knows me will vouch when I say, I don't mind offending anyone once the right thing is being done.

The other poster, as long as I am alive I will never fully own my house, it cost X to build and is now worth **** all in the eyes of the banks, however the revenue will decide "OH it's worth a lot more then that sir" when it comes to the tax. It is not, in my opinion, right to have it both ways.

I feel that while the people roll over and get boned, the gov will just continue to pound away until we are bled dry and then turn to Europe and look for another bail out because "Look, we have nothing more to give. Our young are in foreign countries sending money home to our older generations that are no longer able to retire due to the debts owed, ye have all our natural resources and we have nothing". So roll over........I won't. Not for any other reason other then I have 2 sons under 3 years that will have nothing left to stay here for.

rancher

X1R wrote: »

What about when your house is transferred? Unless you plan to live forever It wouldn't take long for the value of your house to be clocked up in unpaid property tax through tax + interest + penalties they could come knocking on your door someday saying that you no longer own your house This tax will only go one way and that is up

It will be an offence not to pay. It isn't optional

An offence......!!!!
I paid over 5k for the privilege of building on my own site, "to pay for services like lighting, and footpaths" I am 2 mile from a small town that has its streets ripped up every second year and never repaired correctly.
The nearest lighting is 1 mile away??
To be honest the only offence is against me as a citizen of this fair Isle.
I have paid my dues as far as I am concerned, and am in NO way going to pay.
Anyone that knows me will vouch when I say, I don't mind offending anyone once the right thing is being done.

The other poster, as long as I am alive I will never fully own my house, it cost X to build and is now worth **** all in the eyes of the banks, however the revenue will decide "OH it's worth a lot more then that sir" when it comes to the tax. It is not, in my opinion, right to have it both ways.

I feel that while the people roll over and get boned, the gov will just continue to pound away until we are bled dry and then turn to Europe and look for another bail out because "Look, we have nothing more to give. Our young are in foreign countries sending money home to our older generations that are no longer able to retire due to the debts owed, ye have all our natural resources and we have nothing". So roll over........I won't. Not for any other reason other then I have 2 sons under 3 years that will have nothing left to stay here for.

This budget is in now, too late to protest now,
The government have handed the collection of this over to inland revenue and the will have the power to deduct it from your state payments, ie Single Farm payment, social welfare, etc. so everyone will pay, I'm not sure whether your childrens allowance is at risk, but I'd imagine it is. They're not going to make the same mistake as this year and bring in a charge and have no power to collect it

mf240

You would be as well off pay it as unpalatable as it may be as you will only draw the revenues attention to yourself and you may end up getting an audit. A small genuine error in your accounts could add up to alot when penalties and such are added in.

Rellig gives good advice there chase after every legal little tax saving possible.

dvpower

X1R wrote: »

An offence......!!!!
I paid over 5k for the privilege of building on my own site, "to pay for services like lighting, and footpaths" I am 2 mile from a small town that has its streets ripped up every second year and never repaired correctly.
The nearest lighting is 1 mile away??
To be honest the only offence is against me as a citizen of this fair Isle.
I have paid my dues as far as I am concerned, and am in NO way going to pay.
Anyone that knows me will vouch when I say, I don't mind offending anyone once the right thing is being done.

You might not pay willingly, but at the end of the day, you will pay.
Your only choice is how much interest and penalties you'll pay on top.

bbam

X1R wrote: »

What about when your house is transferred? Unless you plan to live forever It wouldn't take long for the value of your house to be clocked up in unpaid property tax through tax + interest + penalties they could come knocking on your door someday saying that you no longer own your house This tax will only go one way and that is up

It will be an offence not to pay. It isn't optional

An offence......!!!!
I paid over 5k for the privilege of building on my own site, "to pay for services like lighting, and footpaths" I am 2 mile from a small town that has its streets ripped up every second year and never repaired correctly.
The nearest lighting is 1 mile away??
To be honest the only offence is against me as a citizen of this fair Isle.
I have paid my dues as far as I am concerned, and am in NO way going to pay.
Anyone that knows me will vouch when I say, I don't mind offending anyone once the right thing is being done.

The other poster, as long as I am alive I will never fully own my house, it cost X to build and is now worth **** all in the eyes of the banks, however the revenue will decide "OH it's worth a lot more then that sir" when it comes to the tax. It is not, in my opinion, right to have it both ways.

I feel that while the people roll over and get boned, the gov will just continue to pound away until we are bled dry and then turn to Europe and look for another bail out because "Look, we have nothing more to give. Our young are in foreign countries sending money home to our older generations that are no longer able to retire due to the debts owed, ye have all our natural resources and we have nothing". So roll over........I won't. Not for any other reason other then I have 2 sons under 3 years that will have nothing left to stay here for.

TBH this sort of attitude is pointless...
As citizens of the state we all have a responsibility to pay our taxes, we should however be pressing to get decent services in return.. People will be damn glad for their children to grow up and be educated and who will pay to have schools and teachers for their kids.. Damn glad to call on the fire services and if their kids get sick damn glad for hospital care..

Also from a previous post the thing about no sale-no fine is just crazy, the tax, plus interest and fines will be extracted if at any stage the house changes hands... So your children will be unable to take out probate after you die unless they pay the mess you left them in.. as likely as not they'll have to sell up everything just to clear it up.. well done dad !!

I think the rate of the tax as it stands is fair, the exemptions I have a problem with and the fact that tenants aren't liable is wrong.

It was extremely clever to hand the collection to revenue, they are masters of extracting payments, have the laws and the experience on how to use them.. They will also I'd imagine be referencing back to the €100 charge from this year and tapping non payers for that too..
This charge will be collected, you can be sure of that!

locky76

Hot air X1R I'm afraid, everyone who receives a state payment is now going to pay, having paid that and the septic tank charge (as much as i don't agree with them), it does gall me slightly the non-compliance- i.e. I feel like a bit of a muppet paying it if the state hasn't the balls to follow the people who don't pay it- now it looks like they will be...

X1R wrote: »

What about when your house is transferred? Unless you plan to live forever It wouldn't take long for the value of your house to be clocked up in unpaid property tax through tax + interest + penalties they could come knocking on your door someday saying that you no longer own your house This tax will only go one way and that is up

It will be an offence not to pay. It isn't optional

An offence......!!!!
I paid over 5k for the privilege of building on my own site, "to pay for services like lighting, and footpaths" I am 2 mile from a small town that has its streets ripped up every second year and never repaired correctly.
The nearest lighting is 1 mile away??
To be honest the only offence is against me as a citizen of this fair Isle.
I have paid my dues as far as I am concerned, and am in NO way going to pay.
Anyone that knows me will vouch when I say, I don't mind offending anyone once the right thing is being done.

The other poster, as long as I am alive I will never fully own my house, it cost X to build and is now worth **** all in the eyes of the banks, however the revenue will decide "OH it's worth a lot more then that sir" when it comes to the tax. It is not, in my opinion, right to have it both ways.

I feel that while the people roll over and get boned, the gov will just continue to pound away until we are bled dry and then turn to Europe and look for another bail out because "Look, we have nothing more to give. Our young are in foreign countries sending money home to our older generations that are no longer able to retire due to the debts owed, ye have all our natural resources and we have nothing". So roll over........I won't. Not for any other reason other then I have 2 sons under 3 years that will have nothing left to stay here for.