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What should be included

  • 13-12-2012 11:57pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭


    I think it is necessary to spell out exactly why it is difficult to compare costs house to house in terms of finished prices

    As everyone has said on a number of occassions the spec will dictate the price of a build but when you take the list of items required and then think of the various options in each it is easy to see where one person can outspend another based purly on choices of products and finishes

    (assuming standard house with no basement)


    The following is a list of item headings that in most cases will be required for any new build and it is then easy to see how costs can cary depending on choices made:


    Planning costs
    Tests perc etc
    Council contribution
    Architect
    Engineer
    Other professionals
    Legal fees if required
    Mapping and land registry
    Site clearance
    Reduced level dig
    Foundation dig
    Disposal of material in accordance with regs
    Blinding if nec
    Concrete to fdns
    Formwork if nec
    Mesh
    Deadwork
    Filling with stone
    Insulation to floor horizontal and perimiter
    Radon / DPM incl pipework and sumps
    Sand blinding
    Concrete to floor
    Mesh again if nec
    Underfloor pipes if nec
    Screed
    Blockwork or brickwork
    Vents if necessary
    Chimneys
    External wall insulation
    External wall finishes (plaster/reveals/plunths/ insulation if nec/ decoration)
    Cills, lintels, thresholds, copings, quoin stones etc
    Internal walls / stud partitions
    Frame including steelwork/beams/columns etc
    Floor structures (timber/concrete/icf etc)
    Roof structures (truss/cut/flat concrete etc)
    Stair structures (timber /metal/ concrete)
    Floor finishes (tiles/timber/ carpets etc) incl underlays
    Sound proofing if nec
    Staircase finishes incl steps, handrails, newels, balustrades etc
    Roof finishes incl slate/tile felt batten etc
    Roof windows
    Attic hatches / attic stairs
    Fascia soffit gutters downpipes
    Chimney completions caps, flues, pots etc
    Ceiling finishes, cornieces, covings etc
    Wall finishes( plastering, painting, tiling, wall papering etc)
    Roof insulation
    Mid floor insulation
    External windows
    External doors
    Esb connection and metering
    Fuseboards and distribution
    Earthing
    Lighting internal and external
    Ducting of cables for external works
    Sockets
    TV/cable satilite etc
    Internet / cat
    Telephone
    Alarm system
    Cctv
    Intercom systems
    Energy monitors
    Fire system
    Door bell
    Heating / boilers / gas connections etc
    Hot water
    Solar system
    Water supply (mains connection/well)
    Cold water
    Water storage
    Ventilation systems
    Sanitary ware incl wc, whb, trays and baths for bathrooms ensuites and washrooms
    Taps and wastes
    Shower units and pumps
    Waterproofing / fibreglass to showers and baths
    Rainwater harvesting
    Soils and waste internal
    Foul and surface external incl mh, aj, gully etc
    Treatment system or mains connection
    Acco channels
    Kerbing
    Footpaths
    Ramps incl handrails if nec
    Driveway
    Patios
    Plant boxes / planters
    Entrance walls
    Entrance gates
    Automation of gates fobs etc
    Ducting of cables to gates
    Post box
    Nameplate
    Boundary walls or gates
    Landscaping incl grassing and planting
    Kitchen units
    Kitchen sinks and taps
    Undercounter lighting
    Utility units
    Countertops / granite
    Wardrobes
    Other fitted furniture (tv cabinets etc)
    Internal doors frames, architraves, ironmongery
    Skirting
    Window board
    Boxing to pipes
    Whitegoods to kitchen and utility
    Fireplaces hearths/mantles etc
    Fire boxes / grates etc
    Balconies
    Metalwork / structural glazing
    Preliminaries (site toilets, insurance, plant, setup, security, scaffold etc)
    VAT
    Garages (may be priced separatly)
    Sheds
    Shed bases
    Shed supplies (elec, wastes etc)

    Items generally not included are:
    Site costs
    Window decorations (blunds/ curtains)
    General furniture (beds, tables, chairs, lockers, etc etc)
    Personal and day to day items


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭kieranhr


    That's a great list. Anybody about to sign a building contract with a builder should know whether all these items are included or excluded. Seeing as most clients won't have everything decided at contracts signing stage, I would add two points to the above:

    - PC sums are very useful, say where you may not know exactly what sanitaryware you want yet, but you have a rough budget of €5000 in mind. Make it clear whether this figure includes or excludes VAT. The same can apply for flooring, tiling, kitchen & utility, stairs, etc.

    - I'm not a fan of a detailed electrical spec, because I think a client really needs to walk around on site to decide where they want stuff. So it can be more useful to tell a contractor to allow a provisional sum of say €8000 for electrical works, then you can compare different quotes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭kkelliher


    kieranhr wrote: »
    - PC sums are very useful, say where you may not know exactly what sanitaryware you want yet, but you have a rough budget of €5000 in mind. Make it clear whether this figure includes or excludes VAT. The same can apply for flooring, tiling, kitchen & utility, stairs, etc.


    In relation to the PC Sums make sure you think about what you are requesting. An example: If you have a PC SUM for the supply of tiles at €1,000. You sign a contract with a builder and when it comes to tiling you supply porcelain tiles. Builder turns around and says he had only allowed for the fitting of ceramic tiles as this was a cheaper option. All of a sudden your have an unnecessary discussion and possible variation. Also make sure that for the likes of tiles, you only have a PC SUM for the supply of the tile. Contractor should include in his price for adhesives, grouts etc etc and the same for any other material that you provide. Also make sure that you stated that MCD is excluded (New updated RIAI form of contract has excluded for this but the older versions are still going around) and contractor should include for it himself.
    - I'm not a fan of a detailed electrical spec, because I think a client really needs to walk around on site to decide where they want stuff. So it can be more useful to tell a contractor to allow a provisional sum of say €8000 for electrical works, then you can compare different quotes.

    From a contractual perspective I have to disagree with this. Allowance should be made for the maximum number of sockets, switches etc that will be required and this should be priced directly in advance. The client can easily change locations etc without any additional cost onsite. If you provisional the likes of this item you are leaving a large amount of cost open to interpretation and also leaving it out of a competitive tender situation. The builder / electrician will not be under any tendering pressure when pricing this element of works. Clients should be forced to examine this element like all others in order tp fully understand the completed works prior to tender in order to better protect them financially through the process.


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