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Grant Euroflame Jet

  • 13-12-2012 5:27pm
    #1
    Happyman42
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    Could anybody tell me what the oil coming through the jet should look like?

    Having a problem with a burner and when I run it (safely) outside the chamber the oil just comes in a jet, should it not come more in a mist? Wondering if the jet is the problem. I suspected water contamination but doesn't seem to be that.


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  • #2
    Robbie.G
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭Robbie.G


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Could anybody tell me what the oil coming through the jet should look like?

    Having a problem with a burner and when I run it (safely) outside the chamber the oil just comes in a jet, should it not come more in a mist? Wondering if the jet is the problem. I suspected water contamination but doesn't seem to be that.
    Why would you do that.The oil should come out in a mist or atomised more than likely the nozzle needs replacing


  • #3
    Billy Bunting
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    Have you played with anything else on the burner ??


  • #4
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Robbie.G wrote: »
    Why would you do that.The oil should come out in a mist or atomised more than likely the nozzle needs replacing

    Why would I do what?
    Billy Bunting wrote: »
    Have you played with anything else on the burner ??

    No, haven't touched anything else. Give it a good clean down, photocell etc and everything is firing but no flame. Think it is the jet needs replacing. Will try to get one tomorrow, are they standard for the model or would I need to take it off first?


  • #5
    Billy Bunting
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    It would depend on its output, best to remove the nozzle and take the size off it, it is stamped into the side of it. The nozzle is a small brass hexigon shaped piece in the centre of the blast tube, but really!! if you dont know what they look like you really are playing with fire.


  • #6
    Dtp79
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭Dtp79


    Happyman42 wrote: »

    Why would I do what?



    No, haven't touched anything else. Give it a good clean down, photocell etc and everything is firing but no flame. Think it is the jet needs replacing. Will try to get one tomorrow, are they standard for the model or would I need to take it off first?
    Was the burner working before you got your hands on it?


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  • #7
    Dtp79
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    Dtp79 wrote: »
    Was the burner working before you got your hands on it?
    Are the electrodes sparking when you have the burner out?


  • #8
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Dtp79 wrote: »
    Was the burner working before you got your hands on it?

    Yep, we had a water freeze up the other morning and it hasn't worked since.
    Dtp79 wrote: »
    Are the electrodes sparking when you have the burner out?
    Yes, sparking quite well from the looks of them. The oil coming through is definately not a vapour but a steady stream. Unless it changes behaviour dramatically when it goes in the chamber I couldn't see it lighting.


  • #9
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Billy Bunting wrote: »
    It would depend on its output, best to remove the nozzle and take the size off it, it is stamped into the side of it. The nozzle is a small brass hexigon shaped piece in the centre of the blast tube, but really!! if you dont know what they look like you really are playing with fire.

    :D I do know what it looks like and where it is, just never replaced one before.
    Thanks for the info.


  • #10
    Dtp79
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭Dtp79


    Happyman42 wrote: »

    Yep, we had a water freeze up the other morning and it hasn't worked since.


    Yes, sparking quite well from the looks of them. The oil coming through is definately not a vapour but a steady stream. Unless it changes behaviour dramatically when it goes in the chamber I couldn't see it lighting.
    If it was working before you went at it then its unlikely the nozzle stopped working. Have you had a fill of oil lately? Did you rub the surface of the existing nozzle?


  • #11
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Dtp79 wrote: »
    If it was working before you went at it then its unlikely the nozzle stopped working. Have you had a fill of oil lately? Did you rub the surface of the existing nozzle?

    Had a fill about a week ago, but all was running fine. Yes I did give it a clean, would I have clogged it?


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  • #12
    Dtp79
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭Dtp79


    Happyman42 wrote: »

    Had a fill about a week ago, but all was running fine. Yes I did give it a clean, would I have clogged it?
    Sorry mate but nozzles are not meant to be " cleaned" Ye you probably clogged up the minute pores on the surface. Get new nozzle. Make sure you have a 16mm and 17 mm spanner with you to take it out. Be very careful of the electrodes. You should really have your pump pressure checked and flue gases analysed too. Check oil filter too


  • #13
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Will get one tomorrow and let you know how I get on. I think that is maybe what I done, I didn't spare the horses, cleaning it! :o:o
    Know what you are saying about a service, will have to wait until new year though.


  • #14
    TPM
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    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Yep, we had a water freeze up the other morning and it hasn't worked since.

    the water freeze shouldnt have affected the burner but I have seen water in the oil freeze. apart from the ice formed when this happens it can also dislodge dirt and scum that was stuck to the inside of the pipe.

    Might be worth checking the tank filter, the pump filter and the pipe for dirt and goo before you replace the nozzle.
    If you are not happy to do this TBH I think you would need to get someone to look at it, constantly resetting it the way it is could do in the pump the control box(spark coil) and or the electrodes


  • #15
    Dtp79
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    TPM wrote: »

    the water freeze shouldnt have affected the burner but I have seen water in the oil freeze. apart from the ice formed when this happens it can also dislodge dirt and scum that was stuck to the inside of the pipe.

    Might be worth checking the tank filter, the pump filter and the pipe for dirt and goo before you replace the nozzle.
    If you are not happy to do this TBH I think you would need to get someone to look at it, constantly resetting it the way it is could do in the pump the control box(spark coil) and or the electrodes
    If yer opening the pump up make you have a new o ring to put back in


  • #16
    newmug
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,571 ✭✭✭newmug


    Could anyone explain to me how to get the electrode out?


  • #17
    Billy Bunting
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    Why do you want them out ?


  • #18
    scudo2
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    newmug wrote: »
    Could anyone explain to me how to get the electrode out?

    Remove blast tube, electrodes is normally just held in a clamp.
    If its a Riello with a short blast tube then electrodes is held in place by a long bolt accessible from the side of the burner, on the outside that is.


  • #19
    newmug
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,571 ✭✭✭newmug


    Billy Bunting wrote: »
    Why do you want them out ?

    Just to give them a cleaning. This yoke hasn't been started in 6 months, she's running for a minute, then cutting out. Just thought it would be no harm to clean the electrodes.


  • #20
    jimf
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    newmug wrote: »
    Just to give them a cleaning. This yoke hasn't been started in 6 months, she's running for a minute, then cutting out. Just thought it would be no harm to clean the electrodes.


    if its running its not the electrodes


  • #21
    Billy Bunting
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    newmug wrote: »
    Just to give them a cleaning. This yoke hasn't been started in 6 months, she's running for a minute, then cutting out. Just thought it would be no harm to clean the electrodes.


    Get Happyman out to polish the nozzle :rolleyes:


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  • #22
    scudo2
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    newmug wrote: »
    Just to give them a cleaning. This yoke hasn't been started in 6 months, she's running for a minute, then cutting out. Just thought it would be no harm to clean the electrodes.

    Clean photo cell.


  • #23
    newmug
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,571 ✭✭✭newmug


    scudo2 wrote: »
    Clean photo cell.

    How do you do that?


  • #24
    jimf
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    Billy Bunting wrote: »
    Get Happyman out to polish the nozzle :rolleyes:


    I came over here for a bit of peace and quiet and ur here 2 is there no where safe from you :eek:


  • #25
    Billy Bunting
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    newmug wrote: »
    How do you do that?

    If you need to do that then the boiler needs servicing by someone with the equipment to set it up correctly.

    I came over here for a bit of peace and quiet and ur here 2 is there no where safe from you

    I was hidding from you ;)


  • #26
    newmug
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,571 ✭✭✭newmug


    Billy Bunting wrote: »
    If you need to do that then the boiler needs servicing by someone with the equipment to set it up correctly.

    You seem to know how its done, so talk me through it anyway. I'd just like to know.


  • #27
    jimf
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    Billy Bunting wrote: »
    If you need to do that then the boiler needs servicing by someone with the equipment to set it up correctly.




    I was hidding from you ;)

    your like a fart in a onsie theres no getting rid of you


  • #28
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Billy Bunting wrote: »
    Get Happyman out to polish the nozzle :rolleyes:

    :) Coming up to a year and she's still burning away, not a bother. And I saved a 50 yo yo bill.


  • #29
    jimf
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    ;)
    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Coming up to a year and she's still burning away, not a bother. And I saved a 50 yo yo bill.


    no wonder your happy :D


  • #30
    Billy Bunting
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    newmug wrote: »
    You seem to know how its done, so talk me through it anyway. I'd just like to know.

    I have a rule, never advise people to do things that can kill them, as i said it requires the correct equipment to do it right, others maybe willing to let you walk the plank but sorry, not me.
    she's still burning away, not a bother

    And just how do you know that :confused:


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  • #31
    newmug
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    Billy Bunting wrote: »
    I have a rule, never advise people to do things that can kill them, as i said it requires the correct equipment to do it right, others maybe willing to let you walk the plank but sorry, not me. :confused:


    I'm not going to do it, I'm just curious. Guan, GUAN!!!


  • #32
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Billy Bunting wrote: »



    And just how do you know that :confused:

    I'm warm.;)


  • #33
    jimf
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    newmug wrote: »
    I'm not going to do it, I'm just curious. Guan, GUAN!!!


    jaysus you weren't on father ted wer you


  • #34
    newmug
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,571 ✭✭✭newmug


    jimf wrote: »
    jaysus you weren't on father ted wer you

    Indeedin I wasn't! But I feel like I'm on that episode where they end up hibernating in a box for winter because of the cold! So will someone tell me how to clean the photocell? Just so I know a qualified boiler service fella isn't bullsh1tting me;)


  • #35
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    newmug wrote: »
    Indeedin I wasn't! But I feel like I'm on that episode where they end up hibernating in a box for winter because of the cold! So will someone tell me how to clean the photocell? Just so I know a qualified boiler service fella isn't bullsh1tting me;)

    All I have ever seen is the service guy clean it with a cloth. That was part of a service though.


  • #36
    jimf
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    Happyman42 wrote: »
    All I have ever seen is the service guy clean it with a cloth. That was part of a service though.


    if you pop over to the plumbing forum stickies and read a post started by billy bunting re oil boiler servicing

    this is what an oil boiler service done properly involves approx time 90 mins


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