Driving licence fees

Sam Russell

From the 1st of Jan 2013, the fees for driving licences are rising by over 300% in some cases, but over 100% in all cases.

That was not mentioned anywhere.:mad:

Rates

The cost of driving licences is as follows:

• One-year driving licence costs €5
• Three-year driving licence costs €15
• Ten-year driving licence costs €25

From 1 January 2013, the cost of driving licences is as follows:

• One-year driving licence costs €25
• Three-year driving licence costs €35
• Ten-year driving licence costs €55

Motorists over the age of 70 can get their driving licence renewed for free.
Exchanging a driving licence to show a new name or address or add a new category is also free of charge.

carchaeologist

Money grabbing bastards!

w124man

Sam Russell wrote: »

From the 1st of Jan 2013, the fees for driving licences are rising by over 300% in some cases, but over 100% in all cases.

That was not mentioned anywhere.:mad:

Yes it was ..... and its going to be a credit card type as well - with your PPS number!!

Its in amongst all the bumf they issued around budget time!

macplaxton

Ah yes, while I think about it: Must be under the excuse of 3DLD. (Third Driving Licence Directive)

Grimreaper666

w124man wrote: »

with your PPS number!!

Police state, big brother and all that. This place is nearly as bad as the states now for being monitored, getting a bit scarey really the more stuff you find out how we're being watched. Can't say it will be a great place to be in 5 or 10 years tbh.

corktina

this is just for Classic Car drivers right?

Sam Russell

corktina wrote: »

this is just for Classic Car drivers right?

Corrected it for you.:D

aujopimur

It was decided that the licence issueing authorities should be self financing,
so they decided to screw the motorist rather than get the staff to get the finger out and do their job properly.

oceanman

.... and its going to be a credit card type as well - with your PPS number!!

i think it will be a lot more than your pps number, ...loads of info can be encripted onto those new credit card type licences! scary stuff. glad i renewed mine for ten years recently.

gobnaitolunacy

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

Police state, big brother and all that. This place is nearly as bad as the states now for being monitored, getting a bit scarey really the more stuff you find out how we're being watched. Can't say it will be a great place to be in 5 or 10 years tbh.

Good to see a credit card sized one instead of that dreadful pink thing that you have to jam into your wallet.

Not crazy about the PPS and non motoring relevant info being on it.:mad:

Skill Magill

Can you renew it now to save yourself €30?

gobnaitolunacy

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

Not crazy about the PPS and non motoring relevant info being on it.:mad:

Why not, out of curiousity?

Personally, I'd be in favour of a universal "Irish citizen" type card. A quick scan would give out the appropriate information to the person scanning.

ie; if a Garda scans it he can see prior crimes, driving license info, warrants, etc. if Social Welfare scan it they can see information relevant to them, you can use it at an ATM to withdraw money, at Tesco for alcohol, etc.

Would make things a lot easier, in my opinion. Could have a photo on it and a GPS so it can be tracked or be able to be cancelled remotely (if it's stolen or such).


Maybe I'm just watching too much Demolition Man though.

oceanman

Deleted User wrote: »

Why not, out of curiousity?

Personally, I'd be in favour of a universal "Irish citizen" type card. A quick scan would give out the appropriate information to the person scanning.

ie; if a Garda scans it he can see prior crimes, driving license info, warrants, etc. if Social Welfare scan it they can see information relevant to them, you can use it at an ATM to withdraw money, at Tesco for alcohol, etc.

Would make things a lot easier, in my opinion. Could have a photo on it and a GPS so it can be tracked or be able to be cancelled remotely (if it's stolen or such).


Maybe I'm just watching too much Demolition Man though.

so that means it would have your banking details on it...what else would you like to add on, medical records!! why stop there..?

mountai

Personally speaking , I would support a "National I D" type scheme. It would cut out a lot of welfare fraud at once. Plenty of other countries have them in place. I would also also like to see a National Register for DNA being brought in. This would be of great assistance in solving crime of all description. The ordinary person would have nothing to fear , but the Cheats and Crims would. Its a fact , that since Zero Tolerance was established in New York , that Dublin is a much more dangerous place to live in.

Sam Russell

mountai wrote: »

Personally speaking , I would support a "National I D" type scheme. It would cut out a lot of welfare fraud at once. Plenty of other countries have them in place. I would also also like to see a National Register for DNA being brought in. This would be of great assistance in solving crime of all description. The ordinary person would have nothing to fear , but the Cheats and Crims would. Its a fact , that since Zero Tolerance was established in New York , that Dublin is a much more dangerous place to live in.

A national ID card does not need to carry information on a chip as part of the card. All that is needed is a national database accessed through the PPS number, plus reference to a photograph. Over the last 20 years there has been a huge increase in the ability to store information on a chip embedded in a card. But there has been an even greater increase in communications and computer power that allows large databases to be accessed easily by, say, a Garda on the side of the road. This would be a cheaper way of implementing measures to combat crime.

The problem of cybercrime is the only downside.

salysol

Sam Russell wrote: »

A national ID card does not need to carry information on a chip as part of the card. All that is needed is a national database accessed through the PPS number, plus reference to a photograph. Over the last 20 years there has been a huge increase in the ability to store information on a chip embedded in a card. But there has been an even greater increase in communications and computer power that allows large databases to be accessed easily by, say, a Garda on the side of the road. This would be a cheaper way of implementing measures to combat crime.

The problem of cybercrime is the only downside.

An I/D card / book or pps is not a guarantee of it being you,but a finger print I/ D would be the way to go.
I have been saying for years that we are getting closer to a police state,we are only a stones throw away from martial law ,i've seen it before and it's the last thing i want to have to go through again, so unless the tides turn,we can only look to a very bleak future.

oceanman

oceanman wrote: »

so that means it would have your banking details on it...what else would you like to add on, medical records!! why stop there..?

Yup. Could be scanned at A+E to check for allergies, previous surgeries (if any) etc. should the person be unconscious or in shock.

Sam Russell

salysol wrote: »

An I/D card / book or pps is not a guarantee of it being you,but a finger print I/ D would be the way to go.
I have been saying for years that we are getting closer to a police state,we are only a stones throw away from martial law ,i've seen it before and it's the last thing i want to have to go through again, so unless the tides turn,we can only look to a very bleak future.

I think you are missing my point. Condider this. A Garda asks you for your licence. You hand him your credit card sized licence that contains your PPS number , your name, and a picture of you. He takes his smart phone and scans the bar code on your card and gets sent down a picture of you from the database plus other relevant info for a Garda doing vehicle checks. If you do not look like your photo on his phone, or the photo on your DL, or you are 'wanted', then hey ho, it is off you go.

Otherwise, it's 'Good Evening, Sir, Drive carefully.'

He does not need a chip reader or need to know anything else about you, nor does he get to know you bank balance or your sock size.

salysol

Sam Russell wrote: »

I think you are missing my point. Condider this. A Garda asks you for your licence. You hand him your credit card sized licence that contains your PPS number , your name, and a picture of you. He takes his smart phone and scans the bar code on your card and gets sent down a picture of you from the database plus other relevant info for a Garda doing vehicle checks. If you do not look like your photo on his phone, or the photo on your DL, or you are 'wanted', then hey ho, it is off you go.

Otherwise, it's 'Good Evening, Sir, Drive carefully.'

He does not need a chip reader or need to know anything else about you, nor does he get to know you bank balance or your sock size.

Got it now, fair point.

swarlb

salysol wrote: »

An I/D card / book or pps is not a guarantee of it being you,but a finger print I/ D would be the way to go.
I have been saying for years that we are getting closer to a police state,we are only a stones throw away from martial law ,i've seen it before and it's the last thing i want to have to go through again, so unless the tides turn,we can only look to a very bleak future.

I renewed my licence a few weeks ago, so I'm safe till 2022. Just as a matter of interest when was the last time martial law was in force in Ireland....and when did it equate that a plastic driving licence was tantemount to the prospect of a police state.
Unbelievable !!
On this very forum people rave how 'backward' Ireland is for having a paper driving licence, then when we go and introduce a plastic one, suddenly we are heading for 'A Police State'........incredible

oceanman

its not the plastic licence that people are worried about, its what going to be encripted on it! at least with a paper licence the owner can see what information is on it, but with a card type anyting could be on there.

swarlb

oceanman wrote: »

its not the plastic licence that people are worried about, its what going to be encripted on it! at least with a paper licence the owner can see what information is on it, but with a card type anyting could be on there.

For the love of what ever anyone believes in !!!
So, this means what ?? exactly
A while back I was driving along with a mobile phone to my ear, next thing I knew I was stopped by a patrol car, and the usual happened, result, 2 points and a fine. I was wrong and deserved it.
A short time after that I got a letter in the post with a photo of my number plate, and a fine (plus 2 points) for being over the speed limit. Again,I was wrong and deserved it.
Does this mean that in 'plastic card land' the next time this happens, not only will I be fined and have points, but I'll also get a few months in 'An Gulag' as well as a good flogging, plus when I do get out, all the money in my account will be gone, and my wife and family will have 'disappeared' and there will be a vacent space where my house used to be....
There is only one way to avoid this horrible, terrible future.....DONT GET A DRIVING LICENCE, and take the bus instead..

I think it was Einstien who said something like this....When technology begins to take hold in the future, we will end up in a world populated by idiots.....

I find that part more worrying than what may or may not be encrypted on a driving licence. For Gods sake, they can hardly figure out how many people own houses or septics tanks as it is...

salysol

swarlb wrote: »

I renewed my licence a few weeks ago, so I'm safe till 2022. Just as a matter of interest when was the last time martial law was in force in Ireland....and when did it equate that a plastic driving licence was tantemount to the prospect of a police state.
Unbelievable !!
On this very forum people rave how 'backward' Ireland is for having a paper driving licence, then when we go and introduce a plastic one, suddenly we are heading for 'A Police State'........incredible

I wasn't referring to Ireland regarding martial law,i happened to be living in South Africa in 1976 during the riots when martial law was put in place.
As for the last time martial law was in Ireland,read the text below.

In September 1847 Russell's government ended what little relief it had made available and demanded that the Poor Law rate be collected before any further money be made available by the Treasury. The collection of these rates in a period of considerable hardship was accompanied by widespread unrest and violence. Some 16,000 extra troops were sent to Ireland and troubled parts of the country were put under martial law. The potato crop failed once more in 1848, and this was accompanied by Asiatic cholera. In 1847 the Government realised that their policies were not working and made money available for loan and established soup kitchens. Russell's Government ended what little relief it had made available in late 1847 and demanded that the Poor Law rate, a tax on property to fund relief in Ireland, be collected before any further money be made available by the Treasury. The collection of these taxes in a period of considerable hardship was predictably accompanied by widespread unrest and violence. Some 16,000 extra troops were sent to Ireland and troubled parts of the country were put under martial law. Government efforts were also helped by some local landlords who lowered rents and distributed clothes and food to their tenants. As a result, many landlords went bankrupt. The Quakers (The Society of Friends) also did much to help.

Sam Russell

I think the period between 1916 and 1922 could be described as martial law.

swarlb

salysol wrote: »

I wasn't referring to Ireland regarding martial law,i happened to be living in South Africa in 1976 during the riots when martial law was put in place.
As for the last time martial law was in Ireland,read the text below.

In September 1847 Russell's government ended what little relief it had made available and demanded that the Poor Law rate be collected before any further money be made available by the Treasury. The collection of these rates in a period of considerable hardship was accompanied by widespread unrest and violence. Some 16,000 extra troops were sent to Ireland and troubled parts of the country were put under martial law. The potato crop failed once more in 1848, and this was accompanied by Asiatic cholera. In 1847 the Government realised that their policies were not working and made money available for loan and established soup kitchens. Russell's Government ended what little relief it had made available in late 1847 and demanded that the Poor Law rate, a tax on property to fund relief in Ireland, be collected before any further money be made available by the Treasury. The collection of these taxes in a period of considerable hardship was predictably accompanied by widespread unrest and violence. Some 16,000 extra troops were sent to Ireland and troubled parts of the country were put under martial law. Government efforts were also helped by some local landlords who lowered rents and distributed clothes and food to their tenants. As a result, many landlords went bankrupt. The Quakers (The Society of Friends) also did much to help.

How could I have possibly have forgotton that....and what relevance has it to an increase in the cost of a driving licence, and what may or may not be imbedded on it.

salysol

Sam Russell wrote: »

I think the period between 1916 and 1922 could be described as martial law.

Good point it came in after Easter Sunday 1920.

salysol

swarlb wrote: »

How could I have possibly have forgotton that....and what relevance has it to an increase in the cost of a driving licence, and what may or may not be imbedded on it.

None what so ever, but you did ask when was martial law in place in Ireland ?
As for the credit card licence i have no problem with that, i am more interested how much more we can take before before we are rummaging through bins for a scrap to eat,because if i get hit with any more inventive taxes , that could very easily become a reality.
I don't expect anyone to agree with me,it's just the way i see it, we are all entitled to our opinions and it would be a dull life without them
I apologise Sam Russell for hijacking your thread.