Problems aligning satellite

gomamochi1

Hi Folks, purchsed the Lidl sat dish the weekend as I want to ut 2 lnbs on her. One for the freesat humax box and the other for saorsat. We live in dublin and ran my wiring for the sat dish on the rear south facing wall of teh gaff. I checked online and followed instruction manuals but all i can get is the german channels on the manual tune on the humax. I have been at it for the last few days and the OH is not too impressed re kids etc.

aNY ADVICE ON WHERE TO GO WITH THE DISH PLEASE?

CHEERS

Avns1s

Have a look here. Courtesy of tvtrade.ie

mike65

German FTA channels are 19 degrees east you need 28 east so you are not far away just loosen the clamp a little and turn it to the left a fraction (if you are behind the dish) or right if you are in front of the dish. You can buy a sat strength metre but if you have someone watching the TV its possible to do without one.

snaps

mike65 wrote: »

German FTA channels are 19 degrees east you need 28 east so you are not far away just loosen the clamp a little and turn it to the left a fraction (if you are behind the dish) or right if you are in front of the dish. You can buy a sat strength metre but if you have someone watching the TV its possible to do without one.

don't forget to lower the elevation a fraction to.

Peter Rhea

gomamochi1 wrote: »

Hi Folks, purchsed the Lidl sat dish the weekend as I want to ut 2 lnbs on her. One for the freesat humax box and the other for saorsat.

That reads as if you are going to use a separate box for Saorsat. Presumably you actually want to combine the UK & Irish channels on the Humax box & that's why you're going with Saorsat? (No TV3 or 3e.)

If you're in Dublin you should have no trouble getting Saorview, if you can point an aerial towards Three Rock.

And a Lidl 80cm dish aligned on 28 degrees east won't be much use for Saorsat (9 degrees east) on an offset LNB. Ideally, for reliable Saorsat reception, the dish would be aligned on 9 east, but reception of the UK channels would suffer, so you'd have to align somewhere in between. With that size dish, it might not be possible to get reliable all-weather reception of both services.

zg3409

Saorsat is not recommended, go for Saorview instead. If you want to get Saorsat a LIDL LNB will not work. Saorsat uses a different LNB on the dish.

dharn

you need a much bigger dish at least 90 cm in dublin, i have soarsat ans feesat on one dish 88 cm in the west but it was very difficult to set it up.
if any mods reading this .. another humax related question did not see my thread but if a sticky was created as i requested he would have gone straight to it and found out all he needed to know

Ronnie Raygun

Post a link to your thread if you think it's useful. IMO, the only worthwhile info. there at present is specific to setting up a Triax multiblock arrangement, so not relevant here.

There's very little about the Humax receiver & no in-service reports whatsoever.

gomamochi1

cheers for all the advice folks. Still stimied though as the dish is up and has a strong signal but when I go to search for the post code in the humax setup its no joy at finding any of the ones on here/ tvtrade.ie or else where. Is there a chance that I have it pointed at the wrong satellite. Cabling etc seems fine so no faulty lines. Would someone be mind knocking over and see where I am going wrong and I can pay them back with some chippying for time spent or a few quid otherwise as The OH is not impressed at the time spent!!
The Humax is displaying in the search options- freesat 28.2E - 12441mhs, 27500- No channels found'

Living in Churchtown, Dublin 14 if anyone is living nearby and fancies a quick nixer/ Job swop?

Cheers

Cantona's Collars

I reckon you still have the dish pointed at 19e, stand behind the dish & move it roughly 4 inches to the left slowly & down ever so slightly.You should be pretty much on the money there,remember when moving a dish,slow & steady is best.

gomamochi1

Trying the manual tune up now through the humax satellite setup. Lots of Arabic and Russian stations russia today, aljazera arabia etc so I presume that its a arabian satellite I am stuck to.
this is not as easy as I thought it was going to be. Going to try and realign to a new satellite now. Will feed back in a minute.

Cheers

Cantona's Collars

gomamochi1 wrote: »

Trying the manual tune up now through the humax satellite setup. Lots of Arabic and Russian stations russia today, aljazera arabia etc so I presume that its a arabian satellite I am stuck to.
this is not as easy as I thought it was going to be. Going to try and realign to a new satellite now. Will feed back in a minute.

Cheers

You could have it pointed at hotbird 13e,as I said in my previous post,move it to the left as you stand behind the dish & down slightly.

snaps

gomamochi1 wrote: »

Trying the manual tune up now through the humax satellite setup. Lots of Arabic and Russian stations russia today, aljazera arabia etc so I presume that its a arabian satellite I am stuck to.
this is not as easy as I thought it was going to be. Going to try and realign to a new satellite now. Will feed back in a minute.

Cheers

could be 26 east so. Your nearly there a slight nudge the way your going and your on 28 east.

gomamochi1

zerks wrote: »

I reckon you still have the dish pointed at 19e, stand behind the dish & move it roughly 4 inches to the left slowly & down ever so slightly.You should be pretty much on the money there,remember when moving a dish,slow & steady is best.

Cheers Zerks, I did this but it only seems to want to move about 2/3 inchs to the left before hitting the wall. Maybe my dud Lidl satellite dish wont work on our gaff but the other two house either side of me have the dish pointed in same direction and get sky etc so Maybe I have to move the dish further to the left i.e. perpendicular to the gaff / 90 degrees to the house but because it is too large for the bracket it is hitting off the wall at present. Maybe need a backing timber to shunt it out a bit. Doing another manual search on the humax now to see what satellite I am tuned to. Eurosport deutshland, Kinowelt TV- quick online searh says its on astra 19.2 uuughhhh!
Not sure where to go from here. will try and move her further east and down a bit as suggested however loosing it now!

dharn

use lyngsat to tell you what satellite you have found take note of a few of the stations and that will tell you what satellite you are on also if you have a smartphone there is a very handy free app called satfinder it will show you where the satellite is in the sky

dharn

Ronnie Raygun wrote: »

Post a link to your thread if you think it's useful. IMO, the only worthwhile info. there at present is specific to setting up a Triax multiblock arrangement, so not relevant here.

There's very little about the Humax receiver & no in-service reports whatsoever.

Hi Folks, purchsed the Lidl sat dish the weekend as I want to ut 2 lnbs on her that is to quote his first line,,
so ronnie i still think this chap is trying to use one dish and 2 lnbs, he is using a humax that makes his query have a lot in common with mine

dharn

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056812054 to the op thats your homework for the weekend !

gomamochi1

dharn wrote: »

Hi Folks, purchsed the Lidl sat dish the weekend as I want to ut 2 lnbs on her that is to quote his first line,,
so ronnie i still think this chap is trying to use one dish and 2 lnbs, he is using a humax that makes his query have a lot in common with mine

Sorry to mix things up guys re my original post is what I am after in the long run but just trying to set the basic set up now with a quad lnb and 2 cables going to the humax box. My main problem as previously outlined is the dish wont go around far enough to 28e. After the most recent manual search I have RTL lux, tv lux, eurosport cz, dajto. Presume its a german station!

HUmm What to do now!I cant seem why I would have to make a jig for the dish to stand further out from the wall as both neighbours seem to be able to get the reception. Hmmm, Will try her again!

dharn

so i was right ,anyway if you can see where your neighbours skydishes are pointing thats where you need to be

gomamochi1

dharn wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056812054 to the op thats your homework for the weekend !

Jasus I would be lucky to get her sorted for 28 e at this stage as slowly making way over. I am at astra 3 23 e at present watchin the likes of Noe tv now!

dharn

you are on 23.5 so need to turn more east just a little

Ronnie Raygun

dharn wrote: »

i still think this chap is trying to use one dish and 2 lnbs, he is using a humax that makes his query have a lot in common with mine

I don't dispute that (I'd be pretty dim not to notice the similarities). I just don't think there's much to be learned from your thread, as it stands.

gomamochi1

Shifted her over as much as possible and dropped her down a few degrees with still strong signal on the sat finder however on a manual tune now there is no channells showing so it looks like it is back to my original plan of bolting a block of timber on the side of the gaff to give enough clearance for the the dish to swivel around to the left! Talk about a muck up!

swoofer

read this thread, and trust me it has all the information that you need

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056812054&page=5

I dont know what you read but take it from me it was no good. I dont know how well versed you are on getting sats but it is only easy if you know how. And for you to get proper help on here we need to know, what type of lnb holder are you going to use. You can get 28east and 9east in a variety of ways.

1. You can make 9east your prime sat ie aim it direct at 9east and then offset 28east.

2. or, and the most usual way pick a reference sat, in your case 13east and then offset 9east and 28east.

and if you are lost, tell uswhat you want to achieve. also dont use a sat finder, waste of time, too many sats, are you using dishpointer com to find the elevation for the dish. the only sure way of finding a sat is... get a picture onscreen of a free to air channel.

3. For you it is going to be hard and may break your heart, why, simple that dish you have is a) no good b) too small for where you live.

but you want to have a go so we will help.
so have a read of the thread and you will get to the ones by watty. then post back with the information we require.

dharn

Ronnie Raygun wrote: »

I don't dispute that (I'd be pretty dim not to notice the similarities). I just don't think there's much to be learned from your thread, as it stands.

when my thread started i didnt have a clue, when it finished i had put up a dish (first time), mounted 2 lnbs ,set up a saorsat lnb and a free sat, set up 2 diseq switches and set up the humax, so i learned a lot !

Ronnie Raygun

gomamochi1 wrote: »

Shifted her over as much as possible and dropped her down a few degrees with still strong signal on the sat finder however on a manual tune now there is no channells showing so it looks like it is back to my original plan of bolting a block of timber on the side of the gaff to give enough clearance for the the dish to swivel around to the left!

If you're serious about fitting the 2nd lnb for Saorsat, you'll be realigning towards the west again, anyway.

80cm is the dish size recommended by RTENL for Saorsat reception, over most of the country. When you offset the lnb, you are effectively decreasing the dish size, but it's possible it could work fine for 99% of the time if the offset isn't too large (just enough to allow decent signal for the 28 east lnb).

What we need here are some longer term reports from those whose Saorsat setups may be less than optimal, rather than people getting all excited about putting up a dish, finding the signal etc. IMO, it's relatively easy for someone with a bit of cop-on, even a novice, to get up & running. Long term reliability prospects (i.e. doing the job well, as opposed to just playing around) are of far more interest.

zg3409

I did the maths on dish size before. I recommended minimum of 90cm for combined Saorsat and 28.2 with the Saorsat LNB very close to the centre. 80cm is only for Saorsat LNB at the prime and in that case 28.2 won't get enough signal, so I reckon 90cm is minimum size for reliable combined.

Maths is here:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056508099&page=5

Extinction

I have installed quite a few with the ka lnb centered on 80 cm smart dishes and have had no problems with signal from both 9e and 28.2. I have however had problems with triax 90 cm dishes where I couldn't centre the ka lnb because of the design of the multi lnb holder. The saorsat channels were fine with the triax 90 cm but the signal from 28.2 was unreliable and frequently dropped out in heavy rain.