New credit card style driving license

swimming in a sea

Hello,

Is the New credit card style driving license still on target for January 2013?

My old one has just expired and I'm not Ireland until February so just wondering should I hold on applying until the new year.

It would be nice to have the new one instead of the pink booklet

muff03

Yeah, January 19th on, but only for newly expired licenses and newly issued ones (as in as people pass) only. Anyone with a license that hasn't expired cant apply til it does.

€55 for 10 year, and €25 or so for others, I think. It's on the site, I was only looking at it yesterday so I'm fairly sure of what I've posted, but check it out.

Mr Simpson

There was a thread here two days ago about it, have a quick look. It has all the details, including a link to the rsa website.

CiniO

muff03 wrote: »

Yeah, January 19th on,

Once he appies after 1st January he will get a new one.

but only for newly expired licenses and newly issued ones (as in as people pass) only. Anyone with a license that hasn't expired cant apply til it does.

Also people can apply who wish to add category to the licence, change detail (address, name, etc), replace stolen or lost licence, etc...

anthony4335

I have been waiting for the new ones for the last year, my current one is been held together by good wishes at this stage. I have had an eyebrow or two raised when presented to the fuzz.

MrFrisp

muff03 wrote: »

Yeah, January 19th on, but only for newly expired licenses and newly issued ones (as in as people pass) only. Anyone with a license that hasn't expired cant apply til it does.

€55 for 10 year, and €25 or so for others, I think. It's on the site, I was only looking at it yesterday so I'm fairly sure of what I've posted, but check it out.

http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Licensed-Drivers/Driving-licence/Driving-Licence-Changes-January-2013/#cost


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ABajaninCork

E55 for a licence?? Damn!!!!! This government is soooo teef!

I've just renewed my UK licence for £20 and I wasn't happy about that. I'll never complain again!

Solair

So this means if my paper one, not due to expire until 2020, will be replace by another bloody enormous paper thing if it wears out / falls apart or has an accidental encounter with a washing a machine??

Our man in Havana

There will be a serious stock of the old paper licences to be used up. Makes sense to use them up first.

gustafo

MrFrisp wrote: »

http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Licensed-Drivers/Driving-licence/Driving-Licence-Changes-January-2013/#cost


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that's some hike in the price....nothing unusual in this joke of a country.

CiniO

Solair wrote: »

So this means if my paper one, not due to expire until 2020, will be replace by another bloody enormous paper thing if it wears out / falls apart or has an accidental encounter with a washing a machine??

No.
No paper licences will be issued after 19th January 2013 for any reason.

Mr Simpson

Solair wrote: »

So this means if my paper one, not due to expire until 2020, will be replace by another bloody enormous paper thing if it wears out / falls apart or has an accidental encounter with a washing a machine??

Unless you happened to lose it *ahem*

muff03

As all old paper licences are valid for a maximum of 10 years, so it follows that all old paper licences should be replaced with a plastic card licence by 2023 (i.e. Applications for replacement of a paper licence with a plastic card licence will not be accepted, unless that licence has expired).

They'll hardly stick to this?

CiniO

muff03 wrote: »

They'll hardly stick to this?

They just forgot to add the following to this text:

As all old paper licences are valid for a maximum of 10 years, so it follows that all old paper licences should be replaced with a plastic card licence by 2023 (i.e. Applications for replacement of a paper licence with a plastic card licence will not be accepted, unless that licence has expired, or was lost, stolen or damaged, any of details changes (name, address), extra category is to be added, etc...

Solair

They could actually make a lot of money out of a programme to optionally replace the licenses.

There are a LOT of people who find carrying around this huge papery thing a bit of a pain in the rear and would probably pay the renewal fee early to get a new one.

Even within the EU, there are a lot of countries that technically require you to carry ID with you and a driving license usually suffices and this would fit handily in your wallet.

It's a particularly big deal for people who travel abroad (outside the EU) and for younger people who need the license for ID purposes rather a lot to get into clubs/bars/etc

NewApproach

My old paper license is in tatters, held together by sellotape etc from years of being in the wallet.

I was told by a Garda to change it. Am I right in thinking he has no authority to make me change it until it expires?

CiniO

Solair wrote: »

They could actually make a lot of money out of a programme to optionally replace the licenses.

They will anyway as anyone who wish to exchange licence for new style will just report his current licence as lost, or possibly update address on it.

Even within the EU, there are a lot of countries that technically require you to carry ID with you and a driving license usually suffices and this would fit handily in your wallet.

Could you point out any single EU country which would require it's residents to carry ID at all times?:eek:

galwaytt

CiniO wrote: »

Could you point out any single EU country which would require it's residents to carry ID at all times?:eek:

I thought France did ?

Our man in Havana

Bulgaria does. You cannot stray outside your own front door without ID.

CiniO

galwaytt wrote: »

I thought France did ?

Our man in Havana wrote: »

Bulgaria does. You cannot stray outside your own front door without ID.

I must say I'm shocked.
I thought that obligatory carrying of your ID at all times was an invention of communist authorities, and since all communist countries in Europe were gone by early 90's this requirement was also gone.
Seems it's not as straight

Johnny Utah

This is what they will look like:

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2012/en/si/0330.html









What do ye think?

All i want to know is if it can take a trip through a washing machine

ABajaninCork

It's a standard EU design. My UK licence looks the same...

Our man in Havana

Johnny Utah wrote: »

This is what they will look like:

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2012/en/si/0330.html









What do ye think?

No tram or trolley bus licence?

Not giving my licence to drive trams away.

MagicSean

NewApproach wrote: »

My old paper license is in tatters, held together by sellotape etc from years of being in the wallet.

I was told by a Garda to change it. Am I right in thinking he has no authority to make me change it until it expires?

Tell him that and see what happens

Stheno

CiniO wrote: »

Could you point out any single EU country which would require it's residents to carry ID at all times?:eek:

Netherlands, Malta, Italy and irrc the Czech republic also require that you have id on you at all times.

CiniO

Stheno wrote: »

Netherlands, Malta, Italy and irrc the Czech republic also require that you have id on you at all times.

According to wikipedia Italy doesn't have such requirement.

All Italian citizens are entitled to request an identity card which would be issued by the municipality in which they live. The card lasts ten years and is a valid document to leave the country when travelling to another EU country.[29] It is not compulsory to carry the card itself, as the authorities only have the right to ask for the identity of a person, not for a specific document. However, if public-security officers are not convinced of the claimed identity, such as may be the case for a verbally provided identity claim, they may arrest the claimant until his/her identity is ascertained;[30] such an arrest is limited to the time necessary for identification and has no legal consequence.

Czech republic also doesn't seem to have it.

Anyway - I was really convinced no country have such requirement in Europe, but I was wrong.

Stheno

CiniO wrote: »

According to wikipedia Italy doesn't have such requirement.


Czech republic also doesn't seem to have it.

Anyway - I was really convinced no country have such requirement in Europe, but I was wrong.

Hmm Italy have changed that, last time I was there was a few years ago and everyone (I was staying with an Italian family) carried ID at all times and said it was required.

There are actually quite a few EU countries that have a requirement for id to be carried, far more than I'd have thought.

Some countries you just have to have an id card, others you have to carry it at all times.

Here of course we have no such national id card, unless you count the Garda age card

Our man in Havana

Here of course we have no such national id card, unless you count the Garda age card.

Which is not available to everyone. And is not recognised by any other country.

Solair

CiniO wrote: »

They will anyway as anyone who wish to exchange licence for new style will just report his current licence as lost, or possibly update address on it.



Could you point out any single EU country which would require it's residents to carry ID at all times?:eek:

Spain, France, Belgium.... Etc

You can be arrested for failing to produce an ID card or passport on demand to a police officer!

In France you can be arrested and detained for up to 4 hours while they verify your identity, for nothing other than a police officer decided you looked dodgy.

We don't know how free we are in Ireland!

CiniO

Stheno wrote: »

Hmm Italy have changed that, last time I was there was a few years ago and everyone (I was staying with an Italian family) carried ID at all times and said it was required.

There are actually quite a few EU countries that have a requirement for id to be carried, far more than I'd have thought.

Some countries you just have to have an id card, others you have to carry it at all times.

Here of course we have no such national id card, unless you count the Garda age card

Solair wrote: »

Spain, France, Belgium.... Etc

You can be arrested for failing to produce an ID card or passport on demand to a police officer!

In France you can be arrested and detained for up to 4 hours while they verify your identity, for nothing other than a police officer decided you looked dodgy.

We don't know how free we are in Ireland!

Hmmm OK.
I know in Poland before 1989 carrying your person ID was obligatory and if you were stopped by police and didn't have it, you would most likely be arrested.
However from then it was changed, and from begining of 90's it's not obligatory to carry your ID.
Obviously police still have a right to stop you are ask for ID. If you don't have it you might need to just give them your details, and if they have grounds to believe those details are false, they have right to arrest you to check your identity.
However I never heard about or know any person that would be arrested just for not having an ID.

I assume probably that's similar in other countries mentioned. Officially they can arrest you, but I assume this would be extreme rare case to happen.

Stheno

CiniO wrote: »

However I never heard about or know any person that would be arrested just for not having an ID.

I assume probably that's similar in other countries mentioned. Officially they can arrest you, but I assume this would be extreme rare case to happen.

In the Netherlands you can be fined for not carrying id! They had a case where an Orthodox Jew was fined €150 for not carrying id on the sabbath and he appealed it.

Our man in Havana

What was the outcome of this appeal?

L1011

The SI for introduction definitely suggests that any replacements for any reason will have to be plastic card, as it outright replaces the definition of the licence format.

FGR

In relation to the licences -

Has the Dept of Transport changed their minds as regards displaying an address on the new licence? Originally they decided against it being displayed as per this link from July.

Here's the RSA's page with part 8 of the licence clearly displaying an address.

Makes sense to have it on it imo.

Our man in Havana

The address field could be very vague indeed if they wanted.

On the Bulgarian licences they simply state the name of the village and nothing else.

who the fug

cisk wrote: »

All i want to know is if it can take a trip through a washing machine

The UK equivalent can, so does my debit card

PrettyBoy

MagicSean wrote: »

Tell him that and see what happens

What's that supposed to mean?

CiniO

who the fug wrote: »

The UK equivalent can, so does my debit card

How does the chip handle it on debit card?

PS - do you guys often wash your documents?
Because I though that would be really rare thing to have documents washed.
But from what people are saying in this thread, nearly every second person seems to wash his driving licence or regular basis

Stheno

CiniO wrote: »

How does the chip handle it on debit card?

PS - do you guys often wash your documents?
Because I though that would be really rare thing to have documents washed.
But from what people are saying in this thread, nearly every second person seems to wash his driving licence or regular basis

Sorry CiniO, you made me lol

It's essentially an excuse that you can use if you want to claim that you need replacement documents like a driving licence, as the paper one would be ruined if it went in the wash.

Some people do accidentally leave cards/documents in their jeans when they throw the clothes in the wash, but it's not deliberate

Our man in Havana wrote: »

What was the outcome of this appeal?

The fine was struck out.

who the fug

CiniO wrote: »

How does the chip handle it on debit card?

PS - do you guys often wash your documents?
Because I though that would be really rare thing to have documents washed.
But from what people are saying in this thread, nearly every second person seems to wash his driving licence or regular basis

No problem on the debit card, have now taken to emptying me pockets.

Big O **** moment looking for my debit card all over the house, wander into the kitchen to see it spinning round and round