Teaching Council

gozunda

This is a question in relation to the Application for Registration as a Teacher

- what exactly are the "Certified copy# qualification transcripts for each year of undergraduate and postgraduate qualification"

Is it necessary to supply all years for all such qualifications or just those that are approved for registration purposes?

Note: This is in relation to the Further Education Sector.

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TheBody

gozunda wrote: »

This is a question in relation to the Application for Registration as a Teacher

- what exactly are the "Certified copy# qualification transcripts for each year of undergraduate and postgraduate qualification"

Is it necessary to supply all years for all such qualifications or just those that are approved for registration purposes?

Note: This is in relation to the Further Education Sector.

LINK

If you go to the records office of the place you went to college, they will give you a copy of your transcripts. It's just a print-off of all your results while you were in college.

PaulieBoy

Hope you didn't go to DIT. Clearly states that they will NOT issue copies of transcripts at the bottom of said transcript. Most important that you do not loose them!
OP I would just send in all the transcripts that you have for that course. I sent in certificate and degree transcripts with my application. Giving them too much info is less of a problem than giving them too little!

gozunda

Thanks - it makes a bit more sense. Will pass it on

yoda2001

I sent in my transcripts, some of which had cost €22 to get from the college. I did not send certified copies as I would be mortified to ask the Gardai in a busy station like Blanchardstown to certify that photocopies were copies of the originals.

To cut a long story short - the teaching council or An Post lost my transcripts, when sending them back to me. The whole thing was so much hassle.

And I had already submitted all documentation to my employer on starting work.

Gee_G

So if I get my local Garda to stamp my photocopies of my certs and show him the original ones, that's what they mean by "certified copies"?


Sorry for dragging up an old thread but didn't think there was much Point starting a new one

Chris68

Many local garda stations have stopped certifying photocopies as they have no way of knowing if the originals are actually original. I sent the teaching council photocopies in the past but they insisted on the originals. So I sent them registered post, in a hard envelope. They returned them in a normal envelope, normal post. The post man had to scrunch them up to fit them through my letter box!

Gee_G

Chris68 wrote: »

Many local garda stations have stopped certifying photocopies as they have no way of knowing if the originals are actually original. I sent the teaching council photocopies in the past but they insisted on the originals. So I sent them registered post, in a hard envelope They returned them in a normal envelope, normal post. The post man had to scrunch them up to fit them through my letter box!

Yeah I've heard of that happening before or them being folded up. I think I will chance the Garda here. I know him very well, its only a small town I live in, so I'll chance it! If they look for the originals I'll just have to send them but will try this first!

Crazyteacher

Try anyway , my local Garda signed stuff for me in January. They were very willing .

mtoutlemonde

I got my transcripts certified in my Garda Station last year. I had to write 'I (Name) certify that this (number of pages) document are copies of the originals'. The Garda then checked them against the originals, stamped and signed the document under my signature. Hope this helps.

eire24

Has anyone ever taken the teaching council to the High Court after refusal to register under European Directive? I have QTS from the UK..25 years primary teaching experience, a masters in Education and a H-Dip , yet xannot be registered due to lack of a primary teaching qualification.

mtoutlemonde

eire24 wrote: »

Has anyone ever taken the teaching council to the High Court after refusal to register under European Directive? I have QTS from the UK..25 years primary teaching experience, a masters in Education and a H-Dip , yet xannot be registered due to lack of a primary teaching qualification.

I don't understand your post. Do you have a teaching qualification or not?

eire24

I have a secondary teaching qualification from Ireland but got recognised as a primary teacher in the Uk through on the job experience and via European Directive .

r93kaey5p2izun

The European directive still means they can require you to address any shortfalls in your qualifications. Usually this means having to become qualified to teach Irish and doing History of Irish Education exam. If you don't have a primary teaching qualification then that is a shortfall that needs to be addressed.

mtoutlemonde

eire24 wrote: »

I have a secondary teaching qualification from Ireland but got recognised as a primary teacher in the Uk through on the job experience and via European Directive .

OK I had never heard of this and it is probably the same with the Teaching Council. They are very strict on requirements for registration. I presume they have told you, you have to have a primary teaching qualification. I don't think you would have a case because you didn't become a primary school teacher as they prescribe so you would fighting a losing battle.

eire24

Thanks for the advice and it sounds like you may be right

eire24

I was not given the opportunity to address any shortfall. .bar paying huge fees to attend primary teacher training , I would have been happy to do a short course or attend irish classes

mirrorwall14

eire24 wrote: »

I was not given the opportunity to address any shortfall. .bar paying huge fees to attend primary teacher training , I would have been happy to do a short course or attend irish classes

But you were told the shortfall? You need to do the primary conversion course I imagine. The Teaching Council don't specify which course to do, they tell you where the shortfall exists. I'm sorry but frankly there is no such thing as a short course to qualify as a primary teacher and I'm glad there isn't. I don't think the Teaching Council are to blame here, a qualification is one of the requirements-you don't have it. Yes you have teaching experience but that is not a qualification.

I imagine you need this: https://hiberniacollege.com/course/professional-master-education-primary-education/

eire24

What I failed to mention earlier is that the dept of education recognised my qualifications in the early 90s and regrettably I didn't do the Irish bit then. Looking at hibernian course its over 12000! I have a first class masters in Education, spent 15 years as a primary headteacher and 15 years training teachers in a primary setting, surely that should compensate for not attending a training course just to enable me to tick a box ?

mtoutlemonde

eire24 wrote: »

What I failed to mention earlier is that the dept of education recognised my qualifications in the early 90s and regrettably I didn't do the Irish bit then. Looking at hibernian course its over 12000! I have a first class masters in Education, spent 15 years as a primary headteacher and 15 years training teachers in a primary setting, surely that should compensate for not attending a training course just to enable me to tick a box ?

The Teaching Council don't care what experience you have. You have to have it on paper. Do a search on boards and you will loads of threads about the TC and qualifications - my own included. It doesn't matter what the DOE recognised - that is history now. I was registered as a teacher with the VEC but I had no teacher qualification - that is another thing that changed with the birth of the TC. You have three options 1. Teach in Ireland in second level 2. Get your qualifications assessed and see where the shortfalls are (this could be an entire qualification) and contact the Mary I/Marino/St. Pat's/Hibernian with your queries and see if they can help you out. 3. Depending on where you are living/going to live in Ireland - maybe you could get a teaching post in the North/on the border.

I think the problem is with the qualification you gained or transfer from secondary to primary - this doesn't happen in Ireland and the Irish requirement to change sectors in Ireland would not happen in England.

eire24

I appreciate your efforts and input, equally frustrated ! Best of luck

mtoutlemonde

eire24 wrote: »

I appreciate your efforts and input, equally frustrated ! Best of luck

Thankfully I got my registration sorted but I had to return to university in the evening for two years.

You may still be able to apply for posts - you could check this - once you have a TC number you can be paid - now it may be the unqualified rate but I would definitely check that out - they will be probably tell you it is at the discretion of the prinicpal. I'm not sure about working in another sector though. Someone might be able to clarify here.

eire24

Thankfully I am recognised for secondary and got some sub work doing that .I have sent of over 50 applications to both sectors, including resource teachong and learning support work, not even 1 response or acknowledgement. .at this point I am looking beyond teaching.

mtoutlemonde

eire24 wrote: »

Thankfully I am recognised for secondary and got some sub work doing that .I have sent of over 50 applications to both sectors, including resource teachong and learning support work, not even 1 response or acknowledgement. .at this point I am looking beyond teaching.

I have applied for a good few jobs since June and havn't had one response yet - it's early yet - schools are closed for July. August will be busy. Best of luck.