was my car clocked??

readytosnap

I bought a 3 series from a authorised dealer in July 2012.
i was just taxing the car earlier and whilst getting the log book (you know the form i mean) i was looking through other paperwork related to the car the invoice states the car has a recorded mileage of 32000 km, ( this was one of the main reasons i bought the car) also have a "key data" sheet that they gave me the reading was done july 2012 and the mileage says 50938.
Can anyone tell me why they are different? which one is right (i would assume the key has to be right) ?.
and do i have any comeback if there is a difference? the car is an approved used BMW with a 2 year warranty, i only noticed this discrepancy 5 minutes ago :mad::mad:

I am the 2nd owner.

Bigus

readytosnap wrote: »

I bought a 3 series from a authorised dealer in July 2012.
i was just taxing the car earlier and whilst getting the log book (you know the form i mean) i was looking through other paperwork related to the car the invoice states the car has a recorded mileage of 32000 km, ( this was one of the main reasons i bought the car) also have a "key data" sheet that they gave me the reading was done july 2012 and the mileage says 50938.
Can anyone tell me why they are different? which one is right (i would assume the key has to be right) ?.
and do i have any comeback if there is a difference? the car is an approved used BMW with a 2 year warranty, i only noticed this discrepancy 5 minutes ago :mad::mad:

I am the 2nd owner.

Km to miles conversion ? Perhaps

ResearchWill

Bigus wrote: »

Km to miles conversion ? Perhaps

32000km is about 20000 miles, would possibly explain it if the mileage when he bought it was 32000 miles which would in fact be 51499km.

triple-M

unless the higher figure is km's and the lower one miles its quite likely it was clocked,I was caught out before

randy hickey

^What Bigus says.

32000 miles = 51499Km

mickdw

Bigus wrote: »

Km to miles conversion ? Perhaps

Yes the figures are very near the km / mileage conversion. If that was the case it should be pretty obvious where the error is. Does the dash perhaps show miles on the display?

If your car is showing 32k km for certain, I would be asking serious questions. Although you should have spotted this earlier I feel.

readytosnap

i was afraid someone would say that, the clock is in km (no mph)
I just realised that i have been conned so and i am f*cking going mental here over it, i must of asked several times is that right only 32000 km and was assured that was it they even told me that the previous owner only used the car once a week to go shopping and the odd local trip, i guess i have no comeback then, i do feel like going down there and smashing the guys face in tbh :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Nickindublin

readytosnap wrote: »

i was afraid someone would say that, the clock is in km (no mph)
I just realised that i have been conned so and i am f*cking going mental here over it, i must of asked several times is that right only 32000 km and was assured that was it they even told me that the previous owner only used the car once a week to go shopping and the odd local trip, i guess i have no comeback then, i do feel like going down there and smashing the guys face in tbh :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

I am no expert but I think clocking a cars mileage is illegal. I would be contacting the garage to ask them to clarify the mileage and then tell them that you are going to the gardai.

readytosnap

No i dont think it has been clocked now, i was told it had 32000 km on it when in fact (going by the key read figures) that it was in fact 32000 miles.
I am raging, i am sure it even said 32000km on the ad when it was on the website, obviously this is gone now, is there anyway i could find out from the old ad? some technical googleness maybe that lets me look back in time? :(:(

Kenny Logins

readytosnap wrote: »

No i dont think it has been clocked now, i was told it had 32000 km on it when in fact (going by the key read figures) that it was in fact 32000 miles.
I am raging, i am sure it even said 32000km on the ad when it was on the website, obviously this is gone now, is there anyway i could find out from the old ad? some technical googleness maybe that lets me look back in time? :(:(

Yeah, it might be in the Google cache.

Add cache:google.com to your search.

166man

I'd say you were readytosnap when you saw the readout...














Just bringing a bit of light-heartness to the situation on what has been anothe bad day for Irish motorists.. I don't think your car has been clocked OP.

Gary ITR

readytosnap wrote: »

No i dont think it has been clocked now, i was told it had 32000 km on it when in fact (going by the key read figures) that it was in fact 32000 miles.
I am raging, i am sure it even said 32000km on the ad when it was on the website, obviously this is gone now, is there anyway i could find out from the old ad? some technical googleness maybe that lets me look back in time? :(:(

What mileage is on the car now? Is it an import? Could the clocks ha e been changed from mph to kph?

CrowdedHouse

Even though its a Km clock it is possible to set the odo to miles

readytosnap

Kenny Logins wrote: »

Yeah, it might be in the Google cache.

Add cache:google.com to your search.

I am an idiot can you explain how i do that?

Kenny Logins

readytosnap wrote: »

I am an idiot can you explain how i do that?

Where was it advertised? I can have a look for you.

readytosnap

Gary ITR wrote: »

What mileage is on the car now? Is it an import? Could the clocks ha e been changed from mph to kph?

there are just under 55000 km yes the dial is in km but obviously the digital readout was set to miles (I think this was a sly bast8rd way to fool idiots like me) i have just been through the handbook and found out how to change it back to km, its not an import, i am bulling cos i have been conned I am not happy about it especially from a reputable (pfft) dealer and this is the 3rd car i have bought from them.
its looking like i have no one to blame but myself.

readytosnap

Kenny Logins wrote: »

Where was it advertised? I can have a look for you.

PM sent i don't want to name them on here if i am not 100% about the ad first,
i could just be a dopey boll0x (most likely)

Atlantic Dawn

Was the odometer reading not written on the receipt? Very odd if it wasn't and you bought from a main dealer.

readytosnap

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Was the odometer reading not written on the receipt? Very odd if it wasn't and you bought from a main dealer.

recorded mileage 32000 is what it says on the "vehicle order form"
the vehicle i traded also has a similar sheet called "used vehicle purchase invoice/settlement voucher" and under recorded mileage it has 37344.

the car i traded was in km also 37344 was the correct km reading.

readytosnap

imo if the car is km only then the "mileage" should be advertised as km, would you lot not agree?

different to older cars that have both km & miles on the speedo dial, i know we always dealt in mileage and like i have previously said it is probably my own fault but i still feel that they were underhanded in the way it was sold to me, i'll just have to bend over and take it up the arse i guess, but that doesn't take away the rage i am feeling:mad::(

keithsfleet

I run a service checking cars out for people that are looking to buy and honestly this wouldn't be the first time I've seen this.
If the dealer is caught out it is easily explained as a mistake before the purchase but after the purchase it's a bit trickier.
Always read what you are putting you're name to when you sign for the car.

George Dalton

I'd just like to make a few points regarding this matter.

First of all lots of BMWs display mileage in miles even though the speedo is in KM. There is nothing unusual about this. It also clearly displays either "Mls" or "Km" beside the mileage readout on the dash just in case you were in any doubt.

Secondly when dealers advertise cars on Carzone, Carsireland or Donedeal and enter the mileage in kilometers the website automatically converts this into miles. So when you search for a car on any of those sites the mileage shown in the list of search results will be in miles regardless of what year the car is or what units the dealer used when entering the mileage.

So overall it seems to me that you should have no grievance with the dealer. If you were to blame anyone for the situation you find yourself in it would have to be either Carzone/Carsireland/Donedeal, or, more realistically, yourself!

readytosnap

George Dalton wrote: »

So overall it seems to me that you should have no grievance with the dealer. If you were to blame anyone for the situation you find yourself in it would have to be either Carzone/Carsireland/Donedeal, or, more realistically, yourself!

yeah have said that it was my own fault but that doesnt change the fact that he told me there were 32000 km on the car not miles (more than once)
so i am entitled to have a grievance over that and i will let him & his boss know how i feel about it the next time i am passing.

mickdw

So car read 32k miles all along and this matches the key read out. The only issues here is that you were not quite sharp enough when buying. No clocking here.

readytosnap

mickdw wrote: »

So car read 32k miles all along and this matches the key read out. The only issues here is that you were not quite sharp enough when buying. No clocking here.

Yeah I said that in post number 9 about the clocking.
yeah i wasn't sharp enough to cop on that i was being deceived by one of the largest BMW dealers in the country, fool me and more power to him for conning me, does that sound better?

bucketybuck

readytosnap wrote: »

yeah have said that it was my own fault but that doesnt change the fact that he told me there were 32000 km on the car not miles (more than once)
so i am entitled to have a grievance over that and i will let him & his boss know how i feel about it the next time i am passing.

Before you run off screaming bloody murder, I would recommend taking another look at the paperwork involved.

Your OP isn't really clear to me, but are you saying that the tax office has paperwork that says your mileage is different to what is on the car? This begs the question, how do you know that figure is correct?

I have worked in various dealers. Generally the mileage is recorded on job cards. Its very common for the recorded mileage to be wrong, because the service advisor will just ask the customer what the current mileage is, and lo and behold people remember things wrong. Its human nature.

So who is to say that whomever filled out that tax form back in July got mixed up and put in the wrong mileage?

I don't know obviously, but I would bear it in mind when confronting the dealer, he very well may have not done a thing wrong.

readytosnap

bucketybuck wrote: »

Your OP isn't really clear to me, but are you saying that the tax office has paperwork that says your mileage is different to what is on the car?

sorry for the confusion, nothing to do with the tax office really, i was getting out the log book to bring to the tax office and i had all the bits of paper related to the car in a folder and was just looking through them and noticed the key reading was 50k+ and i distinctly remember the dealer telling me it had 32000km on it but it turns out this was 32000 miles i feel i was deceived and there is feck all i can do about it now anyway as has already been pointed out to me how dim i am by a few posters!!

bobin fudge

looks like confusion more than any clocking as has been posted. I dont think I would be too concerned about the 20k miles more than you thought if the service history is all intact etc. 50k miles is still low but I understand your initial point

challengemaster

readytosnap wrote: »

Yeah I said that in post number 9 about the clocking.
yeah i wasn't sharp enough to cop on that i was being deceived by one of the largest BMW dealers in the country, fool me and more power to him for conning me, does that sound better?

Not really, because you're still refusing to take the blame yourself. Far as I can see, nobody deceived or conned you, you just didn't pay attention when reading the milage, or specifically what came after it.

mickdw

readytosnap wrote: »

Yeah I said that in post number 9 about the clocking.
yeah i wasn't sharp enough to cop on that i was being deceived by one of the largest BMW dealers in the country, fool me and more power to him for conning me, does that sound better?

To be fair, the display in the car would clearly say miles so no need to be getting pissy with me.
Dealer are often gangsters. The bigger the dealer, the more likely they are to be gangsters. They will tell you what you want to hear. In this case they presented you with the car with its true mileage on show, a key read out with its true mileage and I'm guessing a service history with correct details and mileages. True he told you km but where is the proof of that. On the scale of the various deceptions pulled off by car sales people, this is at the lowest level.
Next serious question is to check how many owners the car has had. Common deception here too.

readytosnap

challengemaster wrote: »

Not really, because you're still refusing to take the blame yourself. Far as I can see, nobody deceived or conned you, you just didn't pay attention when reading the milage, or specifically what came after it.

what are you talking about?
I have said it is my own fault for not copping it was miles,
the dealer deceived me because he said there were 32000 km on the car but there was 32000 miles, how is that not deceiving me?

pred racer

challengemaster wrote: »

Not really, because you're still refusing to take the blame yourself. Far as I can see, nobody deceived or conned you, you just didn't pay attention when reading the milage, or specifically what came after it.

From what I understand he was sold a car that had had 30k ish km (from his own account he repeatedly questioned the figure and was assured by the dealer it was km) and it actually had 50k ish km on it. Thats a con in my book!
It would be different if he never bothered his arse asking then it could be a mistake.

What would be the difference in price of an extra 20k km?

readytosnap

mickdw wrote: »

To be fair, the display in the car would clearly say miles so no need to be getting pissy with me.

Next serious question is to check how many owners the car has had. Common deception here too.

not getting pissy sorry if you took it that way.
the log book (or whatever they call it ) says 1 previous owner i'm assuming that has to be correct? but having said that my previous assumptions were not great.

challengemaster

readytosnap wrote: »

the dealer deceived me because he said there were 32000 km on the car but there was 32000 miles, how is that not deceiving me?

pred racer wrote: »

From what I understand he was sold a car that had had 30k ish km (from his own account he repeatedly questioned the figure and was assured by the dealer it was km) and it actually had 50k ish km on it. Thats a con in my book!
It would be different if he never bothered his arse asking then it could be a mistake.

Milage clearly visible (and correct) on the odometer
Milage was written correctly on paperwork

No more than yourself, the person you were talking to could have had km/mi mixed up. It happens.

If they'd clocked the car, I'd agree they've deceived you, as the correct milage wouldn't be clearly available to you in multiple places. In this case, you just didn't pay enough attention.

readytosnap

challengemaster wrote: »

Milage clearly visible (and correct) on the odometer
Milage was written correctly on paperwork

No more than yourself, the person you were talking to could have had km/mi mixed up. It happens.

If they'd clocked the car, I'd agree they've deceived you, as the correct milage wouldn't be clearly available to you in multiple places. In this case, you just didn't pay enough attention.

in fairness the mileage to my trade in was wrote on the paperwork in km so the same should be used for both vehicles (especially as they are both km speedos)

yeah he could of had a mix up

I never checked the mileage on the digital readout (my own fault i know ) all that was on that was the trip i never flicked through the menu.

at the end of the day i have no comeback and as i have stated it is my own fault but i am still angry over the km / mile issue because he told me several times it was km. lesson learned.

bazz26

Op, I think you are making this out to be a bigger issue than it actually is. It looks like the salesman may or may not have made a mistake, is 32k miles instead of 32k km really a huge issue regarding the car? I really don't seen it as a big deception to be honest.

My 3 Series is a UK import, the dials are in mph/kph but I can switch the odometer from miles to kms. The UK service history is recorded in miles but the Irish service history including since I have owned it, is in km.

Guy:Incognito

Nickindublin wrote: »

I am no expert.

Exactly

Nickindublin wrote: »

but I think clocking a cars mileage is illegal. .

Its not