What wheels would you buy

Harrybelafonte

Looks like I'm racing next year, so I'd really like to upgrade from my Shimano r500's

So, my budget is basically 400euro. I'd really like to build them myself, so subtract 100 for a truing stand, what would you buy with 300 to build your own wheels.

Details: I'd need something stronger rather than lighter. I'll be hovering around the 90kg mark at 6'1" and would be more a sprinter than hill climber. I haven't raced before on the road so whether aero rims are of any use to me, I'm not sure. I may spend most of my time in the bunch.

Would I be better buying OTP wheels or maybe even trawling eBay?

Maybe these:

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=81846

RidleyRider

http://www.bike24.com/1.php?content=8;navigation=1;product=11695;page=8;menu=1000,4,123,30;mid=0;pgc=0;orderby=2 Quality wheel, quality price!

http://www.bike24.com/1.php?content=8;navigation=1;product=20513;page=9;menu=1000,4,123,30;mid=0;pgc=0;orderby=2 Bit heavy but still aero.

http://www.bike24.com/1.php?content=8;navigation=1;product=31000;page=11;menu=1000,4,123,30;mid=0;pgc=0;orderby=2 I just like them:P

easygoing39

the last set look good,Vision's,light and a bit of aero too.

ericzeking

http://jedi-sports.de/Wheelsets/Wheelsets-Road/Fulcrum-Racing-3-2012::3478.html

Here's the 2012 version for extra value... I got the 2013 model of these delivered for 407 quid, couldn't fault them, pulled off the decals and they look class. 30mm rim at the rear for a bit aero. I come in at ~84kg.

RidleyRider

Isn't putting tires on Fulcums supposed to be more difficult than rocket science?

Harrybelafonte

Thanks for all the suggestions guys. So no-one would go the self build route?

petethedrummer

I would if I could build wheels but I can't. I like shimano hubs, I'm not really sure why. They seem to roll well. So I'd get those ultegra wheels linked above or build something on a shimano hub.

C3PO

Hope Hubs with Mavic Open Pro rims. I got a set built by Expert Cycles in Rathfarnham for about €350. Really solid, reliable wheelset and easily serviceable!

ericzeking

RidleyRider wrote: »

Isn't putting tires on Fulcums supposed to be more difficult than rocket science?

I'll tell you Ridley, I upgraded from the stock Eastons (EA30) that were on my Cube Agree and the tyres I had at the time were Michelin pro3s which are notoriously tight, they were a right b!tch to get on and off the Eastons but I had absolutely no trouble getting them on the Fulcrums.

dave_o_brien

RidleyRider wrote: »

Isn't putting tires on Fulcums supposed to be more difficult than rocket science?

Depends on the complexity of the equations related to the rocket, really. Simple linear acceleration of a known mass at a known angle in ideal atmospheric conditions would be pretty straighforward. I'd still rather put tyres on my wheels, cause I hate algebra.

For what it's worth, I have 3 sets of Fulcrum Racing 7's and a set of Racing 3's, and have owned other Racing 7's in the past, and find them pretty easy to fit tyres to.

I find rocket science a poor and vague barometer of complexity. If you want to gauge complexity, I'd prefer if we all used wheel building as a factor of 100, where getting dressed is 1. On that scale, wheelbuilding is pretty tough...

dave_o_brien

Also, Fulcrum Racing 3's are great.

colm_gti

dave_o_brien wrote: »

If you want to gauge complexity, I'd prefer if we all used wheel building as a factor of 100, where getting dressed is 1. On that scale, wheelbuilding is pretty tough...

Getting dressed is quite vague also, do you mean getting dressed into a tracksuit, or getting dressed into lets say, a wetsuit?

Wheel wise, I'm having a never ending debate with myself, but having spoken to 2 separate wheel builders, I'm going down the handbuilt route, though not doing the work myself.

Harrybelafonte

Am I undersestimating the difficulty of wheel building?

kumate_champ07

for self build Id go with the new DT Swiss rr440, with the asymmetrical version for the rear. it doesnt seem to be available in Europe yet but should be very soon. sapim race/dt comp and ultegra/novatec hubs

http://www.dtswiss.com/Components/Rims-Road/RR-440

also you can get a truing stand for 40euro, most are equal in function untill you go over 150euro. the cheaper models are plasticy and seem flimsy but get the job done.

kumate_champ07

wheel building is pretty straight forward, just takes practice. your first wheel wont be great unless you get help with it. by wheel 4,5,6 you should have something that will give you no problems.

letape

If I was building a set of wheels I'd consider campagnolo record hubs (current ones are black and can be bought for about 170 stg in ribble) with open pro cd rims. I have a pair of these and love them.

These hubs are very highly regarded and are basically the same hubs used in all higher end campag wheels from Fulcrum 3 and Zondas upwards. Shimano freehubs are readily available.

There is a pair if these on ebay at the moment build on black DT rims for stg340.

Personally I wouldn't bother building myself - it costs about 30 a wheel to get them built, which I think is money well spent.

If I was going down the pre built route with what you want to spend I would buy a pair of campagnolo Zondas. These would be lighter and stiffer but the cost of replacement rims are expensive. These are effectively the same as Fulcrum 3s, with a different spiking pattern on the rear wheel.

letape

RidleyRider wrote: »

Isn't putting tires on Fulcums supposed to be more difficult than rocket science?

Definitely an exaggerated problem!

dave_o_brien

colm_gti wrote: »

Getting dressed is quite vague also, do you mean getting dressed into a tracksuit, or getting dressed into lets say, a wetsuit?

Wheel wise, I'm having a never ending debate with myself, but having spoken to 2 separate wheel builders, I'm going down the handbuilt route, though not doing the work myself.

I guess you're 100% correct. I suppose the quest for a simple, measurable scale of complexity is pointless so...

Harrybelafonte, if it was me, I'd buy factory built ones, or at the very least get them built by someone with experience.

I also still have that saddle for you. But that's totally unrelated.

Lusk Doyle

Somewhere in rural China or Taiwan a child is crying at the prospect of not being able to feed his family cos you took his job from him in an effort to say "Hey internet friends, look what I made!"

I bet that never entered the "equation"!

Brian?

What's the rationale behind building your own wheels?

colm_gti

Brian? wrote: »

What's the rationale behind building your own wheels?

Well handbuilt wheels have the benefit of being able to pick up replacement spokes off the shelf, as opposed to having to wait for shimano/mavic/fulcrum/etc to organise replacement parts, in the event that you do snap one.

Brian?

colm_gti wrote: »

Well handbuilt wheels have the benefit of being able to pick up replacement spokes off the shelf, as opposed to having to wait for shimano/mavic/fulcrum/etc to organise replacement parts, in the event that you do snap one.

I understand the rationale for hand built wheels. But why build them oneself?

kumate_champ07

Brian? wrote: »

I understand the rationale for hand built wheels. But why build them oneself?

for the same reason people like to do DIY around their own house, the satisfaction of making something functional yourself, tho DIY is also about saving money

kumate_champ07

handbuilt is better because machines* have yet to surpass the precision of the human hand+eye combination

*they are getting closer tho!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cLNNO-3bOM

Harrybelafonte

Brian? wrote: »

I understand the rationale for hand built wheels. But why build them oneself?

Learning a new skill is always a good thing.

lennymc

i have the shimano rs80s, they are fine. I was a little under your weight when I bought them, stiff, light and roll nice. I think they were in and around your budget. Ive had no problems sprinting with them either.

Harrybelafonte

dave_o_brien wrote: »

I also still have that saddle for you. But that's totally unrelated.

Haven't forgotten. I'll be back out hill climbing around your area in Jan, might sort something then.

Lusk Doyle wrote: »

Somewhere in rural China or Taiwan a child is crying at the prospect of not being able to feed his family cos you took his job from him in an effort to say "Hey internet friends, look what I made!"

I bet that never entered the "equation"!

He'll be busy working on my 100mm track wheels in a few months, right now I'm eating the garlic he sent over.

lennymc wrote: »

i have the shimano rs80s, they are fine. I was a little under your weight when I bought them, stiff, light and roll nice. I think they were in and around your budget. Ive had no problems sprinting with them either.

RS80s are on my list too. TBH, it's between them and the Pro-lite Bracciano's at the mo.

Lusk Doyle

Harrybelafonte wrote: »

Learning a new skill is always a good thing.

Try masturbating with your left hand. Much more rewarding once you get the hang of it!

cdaly_

Harrybelafonte wrote: »

I'd really like to build them myself, so subtract 100 for a truing stand

How about EUR10 for a truing stand? Well, maybe EUR20 if you include the bits and bobs required...

Lusk Doyle wrote: »

Try masturbating with your left hand. Much more rewarding once you get the hang of it!

*toddles off to practice*...

Harrybelafonte

Lusk Doyle wrote: »

Try masturbating with your left hand. Much more rewarding once you get the hang of it!

Y'see the whole DIY ethic I prescribe to is passed on the simple question of "Why pay someone to do something I could do yourself?" I've never paid someone to masturbate me, it's something I've always been able to do myself. Have you paid people to do this previously?

Anyway, if you really want to get into it, why change hands, just sit on your right hand until it goes dead and then... well you get the point, it's almost like paying someone else to do it.

So, I get the impression everyone thinks building your own wheels is folly. Guess I'll just buy the Pro-Lites or the RS80s

CaoimH_in

i've heard these are good'ons too: http://www.roseversand.com/article/shimano-ultegra-racing-cycle-wheelset-28--700-c-wh-6700-g/aid:516323

Lusk Doyle

Harrybelafonte wrote: »

Y'see the whole DIY ethic I prescribe to is passed on the simple question of "Why pay someone to do something I could do yourself?" I've never paid someone to masturbate me, it's something I've always been able to do myself. Have you paid people to do this previously?

I like the style of your question "Have you paid people to do this previously?" I appreciate what I interpret the implication to be!

The answer is no though. It's too crowded with any more than one person down there.

Harrybelafonte

Lusk Doyle wrote: »

The answer is no though. It's too crowded with any more than one person down there.

Crabs tend to do that.

I think this is my most stereotypical boards thread ever. Ask about buying wheels, get autoeroticism pointers.

Lusk Doyle

Happy to help

RO 06

Lusk Doyle wrote: »

Happy to help

You don't mind getting stuck in with a helping hand

The Big Lebowsky

Velocity A23 rims....Hope pro 3 hubs...Sapim race spokes,,
Built em myself 32 spokes front and rear...Bombproof:D

colm_gti

The Big Lebowsky wrote: »

Velocity A23 rims....Hope pro 3 hubs...Sapim race spokes,,
Built em myself 32 spokes front and rear...Bombproof:D

But what do they weigh?

Lusk Doyle

RO 06 wrote: »

You don't mind getting stuck in with a helping hand

You shut your face when you're talking to me.

RO 06

Lusk Doyle wrote: »

You shut your face when you're talking to me.

W%^KER:D

The Big Lebowsky

@ Colm Gti..No idea how much my hoops weigh..but they aren't weight weenie wheels. Just good solid getting the miles in kind of wheels.. Been a long time since I pinned a race number on my back..

mp31

colm_gti wrote: »

But what do they weigh?

I've been looking at A23's myself and doing something similar - where did you get your rims/hubs etc from?