A new philosophy

M.Veron

I have familiarized myself with a new philosophy called Alkuajatus (Finnish for The Original Thought)

According to it, we copy thoughts from our environment since childhood, regardless of what culture or country we are born into. These thoughts define strongly what life should be and how we should live, and therefore they are very restricting and controlling. In fact, they become outer "wills" to replace our own original will, our own original thought, which is pushed into the unconsciousness.

Alkuajatus also describes how you can undo this lowering of the level of consciousness, so that the own original will rises up to be the dominant thought in your life. Alkuajatus claims that the original thought also is the persons original and only purpose of life, and that the person feels purposelessness only because it has been forgotten and replaced by artificial purposes.

Alkuajatus provides solid and functional knowledge of the inner reality and the fundamental reasons of life, and I have really managed to gain inner clarity with the help of it, so I warmly recommend everyone to check it out.

Praeglacialis

I would be inclined to believe that without the influence of this 'thought copying' we would be empty shells, lacking what makes us human. It is what gives us our ethical capabilities and allows us to function in a world of extreme subjectivity. Can you give me an example of the sort of 'purpose' does this book would lead to?

M.Veron

The copying of thoughts is a natural function, and there is nothing wrong with thoughts as such, since we also copy practical thoughts about how things work etc. The problem is the outer thoughts that define what to do in life, what is correct to have as goals, the expectations from the environment and so on, and therefore the relation to such thoughts isn't free, i.e they work as outer wills.

This actually makes us less human, since that kind of thoughts very much remind of an outer programming, which the person follows like a robot, since he has been taught, and very often forced, to think that it's the "right thing to do".

When the outer thoughts, i.e the artificial purposes are canceled, the person starts to remember/be aware of what he originally wanted, his own purpose.

Praeglacialis

I don't think we can really have our 'own purpose'. They are given to us or we at least think we make our own. Purpose is entirely subjective I would say and I must point out that I do not believe in free will, I'm a determinist. Presumably your view is that we are born with a special purpose in life which is overshadowed by the static of others' opinions and influence? Or is it something we realise early on? I've had what I wanted to do in life in my mind since I was 5, and am working towards it now. I don't know where this seed stemmed from but I know it must have been implanted somewhere, by someone.

Black Swan

It's uncertain that Alkuajatus (Finnish for The Original Thought) is a new philosophy, rather a synthesis of two earlier perspectives.

M.Veron wrote: »

...we copy thoughts from our environment since childhood...

M.Veron wrote: »

...an outer programming, which the person follows like a robot, since he has been taught, and very often forced, to think that it's the "right thing to do".

To what extent is this "copy thoughts from our environment since childhood... which the person follows like a robot" different from the behaviourism of John B. Watson and "tabula rasa" (i.e., blank slate metaphor), or the operant conditioning and shaping of B.F. Skinner and his "Skinner Box?" In both cases environment determines behaviour, and free will was myth.

M.Veron wrote: »

In fact, they become outer "wills" to replace our own original will, our own original thought, which is pushed into the unconsciousness.

How is this different from the psychodynamic approach of Sigmund Freud, and the dichotomy of conscious and unconscious mind?

Is Alkuajatus a sythesis between behaviourism and psychoanalysis, which allows humanistic free will to emerge from the unconscious?

krd

M.Veron wrote: »

Alkuajatus also describes how you can undo this lowering of the level of consciousness, so that the own original will rises up to be the dominant thought in your life.

Alkuajatus claims that the original thought also is the persons original and only purpose of life, and that the person feels purposelessness only because it has been forgotten and replaced by artificial purposes.

I just sounds like a retelling of the biblical Fall of Man. Which has been retold many times in many philosophies - especially fundamentally weak ones.

It makes a lot of presuppositions. That there was a Garden of Eden state - a purity before the fall.

If we could just get back to The Garden, all would be perfect - but what if there never was a Garden.

Alkuajatus provides solid and functional knowledge of the inner reality and the fundamental reasons of life, and I have really managed to gain inner clarity with the help of it, so I warmly recommend everyone to check it out.

Some kind of meditation where you get in touch with the true reality within yourself.

Turn off your mind relax and float down stream
It is not dying, it is not dying

Lay down all thoughts, surrender to the void,
It is shining, it is shining.

Yet you may see the meaning of within
It is being, it is being

The Beatles. It may be relaxing, but what makes that reality any realer than any other reality.

Playboy

What evidence is there to support that we have an 'original' purpose? Sounds a bit new agey to me tbh. Philosophy should focus on challenging the assumptions and the foundations of knowledge and not inventing unsupported myths to justify a certain lifestyle. What kind of original purposes do people have? Are they complex or simple? The only original purpose people have is to a) survive and b) reproduce ... All thought and behaviour has developed as a consequence of these motivations

9959

krd wrote: »

I just sounds like a retelling of the biblical Fall of Man. Which has been retold many times in many philosophies - especially fundamentally weak ones.

It makes a lot of presuppositions. That there was a Garden of Eden state - a purity before the fall.

If we could just get back to The Garden, all would be perfect - but what if there never was a Garden.



Some kind of meditation where you get in touch with the true reality within yourself.

Turn off your mind relax and float down stream
It is not dying, it is not dying

Lay down all thoughts, surrender to the void,
It is shining, it is shining.

Yet you may see the meaning of within
It is being, it is being

The Beatles. It may be relaxing, but what makes that reality any realer than any other reality.

Agreed.
Apparently John Lennon was reading 'The Tibetan Book of the Dead' when he wrote those lyrics, just another case of plundering the past in search of 'new age' mumbo jumbo.

On the plus side, 'Tomorrow Never Knows' is reputedly the first rock song to contain a backward guitar solo, now there's forward thinking!