DOE on vw type 2 westfalia???

murfman53

Hi to all,

Went to the motor tax office this morning to tax vw type 2 westfalia, and was told that I would have to a DOE cert. before they would tax it.
I thought that a vintage vehicle would be DOE exempt. They maintain all campers have to have a DOE cert now, regardless of age.
I didn't think that rule applied to a 74 westfalia.
This is my first time to tax this camper. Bought the camper in March 2011, then went about restoring it. I insured it on my beetle renewal in October 2012 for an extra 50 euros. If I do decide to DOE it, then I'm leaving myself open to the camper rate of 88 euros, when as a vintage vehicle the cost would be 57 euros or there abouts.
Tried ringing shannon at 061 365 000 and 1890 411 412, but turns out to be the same contact, and couldn't get to talk to someone about the issue. No joy there.
I'm assuming because all things are done through computers now, there are some gaps left out on their systems, and this being one of them.
Or is it the case that because this is the first time to tax it under my name, that this rule applies. To be honest I'm not sure.
Any help on the matter would be appreciated. Thanks.
John.

Dades

I always thought the onus was on you to prove a van was a campervan to get camper tax.

Seems cynical that as soon as the vintage tax becomes an option they would insist on deeming it a camper. I bet if it was a 1983 van they wouldn't be so quick to do so.

murfman53

Hi,
Thanks for your reply,
My log book says it a camper. And the m plate which is the designated details of the manufactures details has it down as a 1974 westfalia model. All the info is there ok, but I think the computer system just doesn't connect to these details.
John.

shagman

I'm preety sure they're wrong when my '79 chevy campervan turned 30 I re-registered it as vintage and reduced my tax to €52. I pay tax online. Never done a DOE.

hi5

Tax it as vintage, its over 30 years old, if it really comes to it just take the cooker out then its no longer a camper:)

There seems to be a lot of confusion about this, I think the issue is, when a vehicle turns 30 years old, does the vehicles function change with its tax class?
In other words is the vehicle from a practicle point of view no longer a camper van and instead a vintage vehicle, so it can't be used as a camper.
A vintage vehicle is simply defined as a vehicle over 30 years old, but it doesn't say it cant be used as something else as well.

In the future we could be looking at something like the rules as apply to small commercials and crew cabs, where they can be taxed as either a commercial or a car depending on usage.

murfman53

shagman wrote: »

I'm preety sure they're wrong when my '79 chevy campervan turned 30 I re-registered it as vintage and reduced my tax to €52. I pay tax online. Never done a DOE.

I think that is where the problem lies. It just doesn't pick it up on the system.
Needs to be allocated on the system.
John.

murfman53

hi5 wrote: »

Tax it as vintage, its over 30 years old, if it really comes to it just take the cooker out then its no longer a camper:)

There seems to be a lot of confusion about this, I think the issue is, when a vehicle turns 30 years old, does the vehicles function change with its tax class?
In other words is the vehicle from a practicle point of view no longer a camper van and instead a vintage vehicle, so it can't be used as a camper.
A vintage vehicle is simply defined as a vehicle over 30 years old, but it doesn't say it cant be used as something else as well.

In the future we could be looking at something like the rules as apply to small commercials and crew cabs, where they can be taxed as either a commercial or a car depending on usage.

Good points. But from what I understand, once a vehicle is registered as a vintage, that in itself covers a whole range of types of vehicles, including campers. And once vintage is on the logbook the tax on that vehicle is 52 euros.
Thanks for your reply.

John.

murfman53

shagman wrote: »

I'm preety sure they're wrong when my '79 chevy campervan turned 30 I re-registered it as vintage and reduced my tax to €52. I pay tax online. Never done a DOE.

Thats exactly how I would read the situation.
Thats what I aiming for.
Thanks for you reply.

John.

w124man

Get on to T2 ireland and ask there. This DOE on campers is a new thing that came in this year and the rules got easier BUT now all campers need a DOE whether vintage or not.
I dont see what the issue is here as the tax only goes up by less than the price of a decent steak and you have to get off yer ass once a year and get it tested. Having owned one of these T2 campers in the past it is no bad thing to have them tested regularly. Most of the ones I come across are bodged beyond belief - yours might not be - and its for this reason that they need to be annually DOE'd.
This is one of those areas where if insured as a camper you are covered for 'camper accidents' whereas if you are insured as a vintage vehicle you are not.

pmg007

Ask in motor tax office for a form to change the classification from 'motor caravan' to 'vintage/vetern' . No doe needed then and cheaper tax.

murfman53

w124man wrote: »

Get on to T2 ireland and ask there. This DOE on campers is a new thing that came in this year and the rules got easier BUT now all campers need a DOE whether vintage or not.
I dont see what the issue is here as the tax only goes up by less than the price of a decent steak and you have to get off yer ass once a year and get it tested. Having owned one of these T2 campers in the past it is no bad thing to have them tested regularly. Most of the ones I come across are bodged beyond belief - yours might not be - and its for this reason that they need to be annually DOE'd.
This is one of those areas where if insured as a camper you are covered for 'camper accidents' whereas if you are insured as a vintage vehicle you are not.

Thanks for your reply. Alot of good points raised, but a vintage vehicle is a vintage vehicle. And the RSA document clearly states the situation. If the vehicle is 30yrs or more, then the test is not required. I have no issue really if the camper needs a doe, then so be it. Just like to know the road to take, if you know what I mean.
Thanks a million for your advice.

John.

murfman53

pmg007 wrote: »

Ask in motor tax office for a form to change the classification from 'motor caravan' to 'vintage/vetern' . No doe needed then and cheaper tax.

That is an alternative alright, but I think I have sorted out now. They are going to tax it as a vintage, and issue me with a vintage logbook. Exactly, as you have just pointed out. You must work in the motor tax office!!!
Thanks for your reply.
Much appreciated.
John.

kasper

hope everything goes well any chance of some pictures ?

murfman53

kasper wrote: »

hope everything goes well any chance of some pictures ?

Hi kasper.

I have pics alright, during its restoring stages. But I'm not too sure about how I place pics on this forum.

Any ideas???

I might give it a go and see how I get on.

John.

murfman53

http://s1214.beta.photobucket.com/user/murfman53/media/IMG_0069-1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=16

Not sure if this works.

John.

kasper

looks excellent nice work

murfman53

kasper wrote: »

looks excellent nice work

Thanks. Its the first time I've ever put pics up on internet. There is hope for me yet.

God loves a tryer.

John.:):):)

murfman53

They TAXED IT !!!!!

They changed the Motor Taxation Class from Motor Caravan to VINTAGE.
And stamped it.
I made them aware that there were people out there in the same situation.
Her reply was for them to ring their local tax office first, and make sure that they were aware of the new ruling, just avoid my plight.
So things look like being the same, for the time being.
My advice for anyone is to get it taxed as vintage, and the system might have a better chance of picking it up.
All I can say is, thanks for all your help, suggestions and advice in dealing with this issue, which to me at the moment is far from resolved.
Again, thanks to all.
PS. The first registration of vehicle, regardless of where registration took place, in my case england, is used. And not the first registration in ireland, in my case ireland 1990.
Evergrateful John.

mgbgt1978

w124man wrote: »

This is one of those areas where if insured as a camper you are covered for 'camper accidents' whereas if you are insured as a vintage vehicle you are not.

Is this an obscure Toilet reference ???? Seriously...

shagman

I presumed you meant accidents involving LPG cookers water heaters etc. Mine is registered as vintage and taxed and insured as such.Cheaper all round allthough camper insurance would give more coverage but I'm not gonna be needing spanish bail bond insurance methinks