Private tax, commercial tolls

Our man in Havana

Those highway men in Portlaoise insist on charging me commercial rates on my privately taxed van. Everywhere else I am paying private rates including the M50.

Back roads around Portlaoise from now on.

dgt

Our man in Havana wrote: »

Those highway men in Portlaoise insist on charging me commercial rates on my privately taxed van. Everywhere else I am paying private rates including the M50.

Back roads around Portlaoise from now on.

Was in the same boat as you, private taxed van, commercial rate. Same every toll I went to, even on automatic barriers.

Once I got through on the private rate, the look of disappointment on the cashiers face was worth more than the discount

R.O.R

So, you are being undercharged on most of the tolls expect the Portlaoise one.

Can you find the details to get that corrected, or would you like some assistance finding the correct department to report it to?

Our man in Havana

When I changed to private the rates dropped everywhere except Portlaoise.

corktina

only on automated systems I assume where the Private Tax would show up. On manual barriers, vehicles are charged according to type.

navara man

corktina wrote: »

only on automated systems I assume where the Private Tax would show up. On manual barriers, vehicles are charged according to type.

don t think so it done by the camara read the number plates that how did know what to charge .so the system in portlaoise need to be up dated

Our man in Havana

From what I have seen, the ANPR is overridden by the booth person.

If you can sneak through the auto lanes there are no issues as it relies on the tax database.

Theanswers

Is it not done by laser? I know when I took the panels of the windows on my golf van I get charged car rate. Sure it's only fair. Big motorhome in front of me gets the cheap rate. Here I come in my small golf van and get charged nearly twice the rate.

No thanks.
Plus there's much better visibility with windows for changing lanes, reversing etc etc.

eFlow: Reps

Hi guys,

eFlow on the M50 charges tolls according to the vehicle classification with the Driver and Vehicle Computer Services Division of the Dept Transport.

If a van is classed as a private vehicle as opposed to a commercial, our Video recognition system charges the toll as per DVCSD. Other toll operators do not have this system (to the best of my knowledge)

Having an eFlow Tag will ensure the correct tolls are charged for the vehicle. If the tolls at by other toll operators are not correct, we can liaise with them on your behalf. You can use the express lanes with a tag and you won't have to root in the pocket or bag for change.

If any further info is required, please let me know,

Regards,

John

Theanswers

Hello John,
Why is it that what I removed the panels on my golf van that I get charged the lower rate?
Not that I've a problem with that! Just Curious? thanks

CiniO

Does that mean that tolls should be charged according to vehicle tax class, and not to vehicle type?

If so, that means that for years we've been overcharged on out 50 seater coach, which is taxed privately.
We paid bus rate while in fact we should have paid private rate.

eFlow: Reps

Hi again,

Toll rates depend on the toll operator. eFlow M50 Toll goes by official vehicle classification.

If you check out the other toll operators websites, they should give their toll rate system.

Ours is here: http://www.eflow.ie/tolls/

Regards,

John

mloc123

My OH has a 3 door Megane. The M4 toll is always convinced it is a commercial...

CiniO

eFlow: Reps wrote: »

Hi again,

Toll rates depend on the toll operator. eFlow M50 Toll goes by official vehicle classification.

If you check out the other toll operators websites, they should give their toll rate system.

Ours is here: http://www.eflow.ie/tolls/

Regards,

John

So it means that if someone has a small van (f.e. berlingo) it will always be classed as a light goods vehicle (with charge 3.80 on M50 for unregistered users) no matter if vehicle is taxed as private or commercial.
Am I right?

eFlow: Reps

Hi again guys,

CiniO wrote: »

So it means that if someone has a small van (f.e. berlingo) it will always be classed as a light goods vehicle (with charge 3.80 on M50 for unregistered users) no matter if vehicle is taxed as private or commercial.
Am I right?

Any vehicle registered as a private vehicle will be charged as a private vehicle. So, with your Berlingo, registered as a private vehicle, the charge is €3.00 unregistered, €2.50 with a Video A/c and €2.00 with a Tag A/c.

Regards,

John

Theanswers

eFlow: Reps wrote: »

Hi again guys,



Any vehicle registered as a private vehicle will be charged as a private vehicle. So, with your Berlingo, registered as a private vehicle, the charge is €3.00 unregistered, €2.50 with a Video A/c and €2.00 with a Tag A/c.

Regards,

John

Yes, but all car vans are classed as a lights goods vehicle even if they are taxed private.

In regards to my other question does it not have something to do with a laser going through the windows? Because when I had panels I got charged Full Van rate. When I had windows I get charged car rate.

Our man in Havana

CRG use a combination of ANPR and the mark 1 eyeball.

If your vehicle is small enough to get through the coin bucket lanes and has private tax you only pay the private rate as ANPR shows it as a car.

Rock up to a manned window and the person will override the ANPR and collect the commercial rate. No lasers or any star wars stuff.

HellFireClub

eFlow: Reps wrote: »

Hi again guys,



Any vehicle registered as a private vehicle will be charged as a private vehicle. So, with your Berlingo, registered as a private vehicle, the charge is €3.00 unregistered, €2.50 with a Video A/c and €2.00 with a Tag A/c.

Regards,

John

Absolute rubbish. I have a Peugeot 206 carvan that is charged as a commercial van rate for tolling purposes even though until recently it was taxed as a private vehicle. I have tried showing the tax disc to the person telling me this at the toll before, a waste of time, regardless of how your vehicle is taxed, if it doesn't have seats in the back or windows in the back, it is classed as a van for toll purposes and charged as a van. Everyone driving a van knows that, how on earth have we a company rep on here from E-Flow claiming otherwise???

Our man in Havana

I am only paying eflow car rates.

I think in the olden days of toll booths on the M50 things may have been different.

eFlow: Reps

HellFireClub wrote: »

Absolute rubbish. I have a Peugeot 206 carvan that is charged as a commercial van rate for tolling purposes even though until recently it was taxed as a private vehicle. I have tried showing the tax disc to the person telling me this at the toll before, a waste of time, regardless of how your vehicle is taxed, if it doesn't have seats in the back or windows in the back, it is classed as a van for toll purposes and charged as a van. Everyone driving a van knows that, how on earth have we a company rep on here from E-Flow claiming otherwise???

Hi Hellfire,

eFlow operates the M50 Toll only. If your vehicle is taxed as a private car, the M50 Toll charges are as per private car. I cannot and do not speak for other toll operators.

If you would like me to check the details of your vehicle, I would be happy to do so, just PM me.

If you are having difficulties with other toll operators, you need to contact them to have the issues resolved.

Regards,

John

HellFireClub

eFlow: Reps wrote: »

Hi Hellfire,

eFlow operates the M50 Toll only. If your vehicle is taxed as a private car, the M50 Toll charges are as per private car. I cannot and do not speak for other toll operators.

If you would like me to check the details of your vehicle, I would be happy to do so, just PM me.

If you are having difficulties with other toll operators, you need to contact them to have the issues resolved.

Regards,

John

Hi John, maybe the policy has changed, but I recall having many an argument with a toll booth staff member back in the day on the M50, they even had A4 notices up on the booths stating that regardless of the taxation status of the vehicle, if it was a carvan type vehicle (had only 2 seats or no rear windows), it was charged a toll rate for a van.

galwaytt

...the M50 is the only one that is 'accurate' afaik.

I use my car tag on my non-car on the others (non M50), in the express lane, and there is no issue.

Queried upon it once, and I was told the cameras would be validating as you went through: nope, nonsense. Have used the car tag on, say, a caddy. The reg isn't even the same. It has worked on M6, M4, M18 and M1.

Like all computers, they operate on the SISO principle: Sh!t In, Sh!t Out

I see absolutely no reason why a small Caddy has to pay €3.30 and a Toyota Amazon, or RR Sport, both much bigger and heavier gets away with €1.80. It's supposed to reflect wear'n'tear on the road, after all, and last time I checked lighter vehicles wear roads less.

M50 is the only one that it doesn't.

HellFireClub

galwaytt wrote: »

...the M50 is the only one that is 'accurate' afaik.

I use my car tag on my non-car on the others (non M50), in the express lane, and there is no issue.

Queried upon it once, and I was told the cameras would be validating as you went through: nope, nonsense. Have used the car tag on, say, a caddy. The reg isn't even the same. It has worked on M6, M4, M18 and M1.

Like all computers, they operate on the SISO principle: Sh!t In, Sh!t Out

I see absolutely no reason why a small Caddy has to pay €3.30 and a Toyota Amazon, or RR Sport, both much bigger and heavier gets away with €1.80. It's supposed to reflect wear'n'tear on the road, after all, and last time I checked lighter vehicles wear roads less.

M50 is the only one that it doesn't.

It's the same fúcked up doctrine that has the country in bits. The defective logic in operation here is that if you have a van, you are in business, and if you are in business, you should be charged approximately twice of what private citizens get charged to use a road. The same public sector "cow milking" mentality operates in the very same way for businesses when it comes to local authority rates, the working assumption is, "it's a business, MILK IT DRY!"...

Our man in Havana

So the way to go is get a tag and keep away from manned lanes?

HellFireClub

Our man in Havana wrote: »

So the way to go is get a tag and keep away from manned lanes?

I have a Peugeot 206 carvan that was recently taxed as a private vehicle (at a rate of I think it was around 600 Euro a year). When I went to get it NCT'd, it had been NCT'd before without any issue whatsoever, I was informed that this vehicle could no longer be NCT'd, it had to be DOE'd. I argued that it was a private vehicle with 2 seats as opposed to 4, and it was to be NCT'd.

I eventually came to my senses and changed the tax status of the vehicle to a commercial light vehicle, saving me a small fortune in tax alone. For the purposes of using toll roads, I have a tag that is registered as just a normal Peugeot 206 type car. I use the automated lanes and the tag picks it up and I pay the cheaper car rate. If I EVER used a toll road with a person in the booth, (before I recently got the tag & before I changed the tax status of the vehicle), I was ALWAYS charged the higher commercial rate.

I'm, lucky that I have a car-van type vehicle that can be passed off as a car for toll purposes, I don't think you can do that with a VW Caddy which is clearly a van type vehicle and not a car.

Best of luck with it.

HellFireClub

eFlow: Reps wrote: »

Hi Hellfire,

eFlow operates the M50 Toll only. If your vehicle is taxed as a private car, the M50 Toll charges are as per private car. I cannot and do not speak for other toll operators.

If you would like me to check the details of your vehicle, I would be happy to do so, just PM me.

If you are having difficulties with other toll operators, you need to contact them to have the issues resolved.

Regards,

John

Further to what I've just stated, ^^^, 2 chances of that John, Bob Hope & No Hope!!! :D:D

Our man in Havana

If you can get under the height restrictions I can't see a problem.