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mens middle and distance records

  • 27-11-2012 5:33pm
    #1
    M cebee
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    are any of these records going to be broken in the next 5-10yrs or will they be like the womens records are now-out of range
    most of them are insane 3-26, 7-20, 7-58, 12-36, 26-16

    the records from 100-800 are under threat unlike the womens where almost every record 100-10,000 is now out of sight after 20yrs


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  • #2
    shels4ever
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    M cebee wrote: »
    are any of these records going to be broken in the next 5-10yrs or will they be like the womens records are now-out of range
    most of them are insane 3-26, 7-20, 7-58, 12-36, 26-16

    the records from 100-800 are under threat unlike the womens where almost every record 100-10,000 is now out of sight after 20yrs
    Very hard to say what will happen or who will come along over the next 10 years, but for the next 2-3 years I cant see any of them going, Kiprop would need almost a 3 second improvement.


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    walshb
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    As superb as Hicham's 1500 is I think these distances will be bettered within 10 years. Drugs free? Who knows.

    Komen's 3 K is a hell of a record. Not sure, but is the next best 3 k time about 2-3 seconds off this mark?

    I assume the 7 mins 58 is the two mile record. Komen holds this too, doesn't he?


  • #4
    M cebee
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    walshb wrote: »
    As superb as Hicham's 1500 is I think these distances will be bettered within 10 years. Drugs free? Who knows.

    Komen's 3 K is a hell of a record. Not sure, but is the next best 3 k time about 2-3 seconds off this mark?

    I assume the 7 mins 58 is the two mile record. Komen holds this too, doesn't he?
    yes
    i'd say 26-16 won't be beaten drug-free for years considering its seldom run now
    in all the years of 10,000 track no one had run sub 27 until 1993


  • #5
    M cebee
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    shels4ever wrote: »
    Very hard to say what will happen or who will come along over the next 10 years, but for the next 2-3 years I cant see any of them going, Kiprop would need almost a 3 second improvement.
    yes
    I think theres a light year between 3-28-xx and 3-26 dead


  • #6
    walshb
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    With the perfect conditions and the right money I think all the records are there for the taking.


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  • #7
    walshb
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    A runner from the past, Noah Nygeny could have done the trick at 1500. He had wicked 1 K speed, and he proved in 1999 that he had the endurance when he ran Hicham ever so close over 1609 metres!

    Who knows what times, some young kid today, will be running in ten years time with the right training.


  • #8
    shels4ever
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    walshb wrote: »
    A runner from the past, Noah Nygeny could have done the trick at 1500. He had wicked 1 K speed, and he proved in 1999 that he had the endurance when he ran Hicham ever so close over 1609 metres!

    Who knows what times, some young kid today, will be running in ten years time with the right training.

    were due a class miler :) as Gerry would say "Rudisha should move up" :)


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    M cebee
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    walshb wrote: »
    A runner from the past, Noah Nygeny could have done the trick at 1500. He had wicked 1 K speed, and he proved in 1999 that he had the endurance when he ran Hicham ever so close over 1609 metres!

    Who knows what times, some young kid today, will be running in ten years time with the right training.
    2000 sydney
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnApto_H1iM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    99 seville spain most insane 1500 final of all-time


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    M cebee
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    shels4ever wrote: »

    were due a class miler :) as Gerry would say "Rudisha should move up" :)
    would he make any impact at 1500/mile


  • #11
    shels4ever
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    M cebee wrote: »
    would he make any impact at 1500/mile

    Doubt it, he's more of a 400m running 800, than a 1500 running down. But you never know i'd say he'd run a very good 1k anyway.


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  • #12
    M cebee
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    shels4ever wrote: »

    Doubt it, he's more of a 400m running 800, than a 1500 running down. But you never know i'd say he'd run a very good 1k anyway.
    i'd say 1000m is his upper limit to be world beating


  • #13
    walshb
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    shels4ever wrote: »
    Doubt it, he's more of a 400m running 800, than a 1500 running down. But you never know i'd say he'd run a very good 1k anyway.

    Yeah, I think I agree with that. He is a 600-1200 kind of guy.


  • #14
    walshb
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    M cebee wrote: »
    2000 sydney
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnApto_H1iM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    99 seville spain most insane 1500 final of all-time

    I love that race in Sydney. Was so rooting for Noah!


  • #15
    endswell
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    walshb wrote: »

    Yeah, I think I agree with that. He is a 600-1200 kind of guy.
    how do we know which kind of athlete he is?


  • #16
    ecoli
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    endswell wrote: »
    how do we know which kind of athlete he is?

    I dunno about 600 to 1200 but he is coming from a sprinting background with 45.5 second 400m speed and his ability to front run these 800m times would seem to indicate good strength to perhaps push him to 1000m at a world class level after this who knows.


  • #17
    M cebee
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    endswell wrote: »
    how do we know which kind of athlete he is?
    well he started out as a 400m runner
    45.5pb and moved up to 800


  • #18
    walshb
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    endswell wrote: »
    how do we know which kind of athlete he is?

    Hard to know what exact distance he would be best at. Looks like right now the 800 is where he is best at. 1 K not being an international event would not see him dedicate himself to this. I would say his frame and size would not be conducive to him being a great miler.


  • #19
    Pisco Sour
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    walshb wrote: »
    As superb as Hicham's 1500 is I think these distances will be bettered within 10 years. Drugs free? Who knows.

    You are off your rocker if you think that record is going anywhere anytime soon!


  • #20
    walshb
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    Pisco Sour wrote: »
    You are off your rocker if you think that record is going anywhere anytime soon!

    Ten years is not really anytime soon. Think about all the kids that nobody knows about. No chance that some 10/11/12 year old today won't be threatening any of the records in ten years time?


  • #21
    Pisco Sour
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    walshb wrote: »
    Ten years is not really anytime soon. Think about all the kids that nobody knows about. No chance that some 10/11/12 year old today won't be threatening any of the records in ten years time?

    http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_1500ok.htm

    The clue is in the all-time list. Notice how after around 2001 the times start dropping off significantly!


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  • #22
    walshb
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    Pisco Sour wrote: »
    http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_1500ok.htm

    The clue is in the all-time list. Notice how after around 2001 the times start dropping off significantly!

    I am well aware of the lists and all time best times. So there has been a drop off. That doesn't at all mean that progress and improvement isn't due in the future.

    I just think it's a little silly to be so sure, as you are, that the record will NOT be broken in ten years. I am not sure, but I wouldn't at all be surprised. Records are there to be broken. That is what makes us who we are. It is a hell of a record. I am not saying otherwise.


  • #23
    Pisco Sour
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    walshb wrote: »
    I am well aware of the lists and all time best times. So ther has been a drop off. That doesn't at all mean that progress and improvement isn't due in the future.

    I just think it's a little silly to be so sure, as you are, that the record will NOT be broken in ten years. I am not sure, but I wouldn't at all be surprised. Records are there to be broke. That is what makes us who we are. It is a hell of a record. I am not saying otherwise.

    Judging by the fact that the latest crop of talent can't get remotely close to the times run during the EPO era I would hazzard a guess that it will be quite some time before we see 3:26 again.


  • #24
    walshb
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    I also said that if the money is right, and the conditions are right then the setting could be set. See you in ten years.


  • #25
    shels4ever
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    Pisco Sour wrote: »
    Judging by the fact that the latest crop of talent can't get remotely close to the times run during the EPO era I would hazzard a guess that it will be quite some time before we see 3:26 again.

    we are still in the epo era..... :)


  • #26
    walshb
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    shels4ever wrote: »
    we are still in the epo era..... :)

    And EPO was in Hicham's era too.


  • #27
    walshb
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    And, assuming, for arguments sake that Hicham was a freak of nature, isn't really possible that another freak comes along?

    And, as freaky as he may have been, he was not unbeatable. There were men that pushed him ever so close, and at times they got the better of him.

    Coe's 1.41.73 record was a monster of a time and stood for 15 plus years. I bet in the 80s and early 90s folks were saying that it may never be broken; then Kipketer came along. Rudisha after him.


  • #28
    M cebee
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    Pisco Sour wrote: »

    http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_1500ok.htm

    The clue is in the all-time list. Notice how after around 2001 the times start dropping off significantly!
    top 45 times on all time list all pre-date 2005


  • #29
    YFlyer
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    So many athletes got PBs because of El G.


  • #30
    M cebee
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    the most insane 1500m of alltime
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6jrqsbD3Pc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
    woah they dont race like that anymore
    and all drug free apparently


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  • #31
    walshb
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    Damn shame Noah's career was cut short. He had serious potential to be a WR holder at the mile and 1500.


  • #32
    YFlyer
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    Pisco Sour wrote: »
    http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_1500ok.htm

    The clue is in the all-time list. Notice how after around 2001 the times start dropping off significantly!

    Haile Gebrselassie times in the 1500m and 3000m outdoors and indoors are quite mind blowing.


  • #33
    YFlyer
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    walshb wrote: »
    Damn shame Noah's career was cut short. He had serious potential to be a WR holder at the mile and 1500.

    That was an amazing race where El G broke the mile WR and Ngeny was inside the old record.


  • #34
    walshb
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    YFlyer wrote: »
    That was an amazing race where El G broke the mile WR and Ngeny was inside the old record.

    Unreal. Turned into a proper race as opposed to a pace setting WR exercise. I think El was maybe 25 then, and Noah about 21 or so. Noah may well have improved and may well have peaked at around 24/25 had it not been for the car accident.


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