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Solo guitarist playing in a pub the other night, what was the laptop controlling?

  • 26-11-2012 11:59pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,283 ✭✭✭


    Hi, I am new to the guitar. I can play a few songs at the moment nothing hectic but i cant get enough of the guitar at the moment. I never want to put it down :-)

    So, i was in a pub the other night and there was a really good guitarist playing on his own. I was just watching him to see if i could pick up anything but he was so far beyond me its scary.

    He had two amplifiers on stands and he had a laptop on a rig in front of him that he was doing something with between songs. He was playing an electro-acoustic guitar, two songs he did that i remember were And a bang on the ear by the waterboys and Screamager by Therapy.

    My question is what was the laptop used for? Was that controlling the drum parts of the songs and all the other parts of the songs? Could anyone show me an example of the set up he was using based on the above.

    My ultimate goal as a guitar player is to be anywhere near as good as that guy and maybe be able do a gig like him. Or even just one song.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭Jambo221


    It sounds like it was just used for playing backing tracks and displaying lyrics, but a laptop can be used for a lot of things live.

    Once saw a band playing and a laptop was used with a USB keyboard and a projector, the laptop providing both keyboard sounds and visualisations.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,283 ✭✭✭Deedsie


    Jambo221 wrote: »
    It sounds like it was just used for playing backing tracks and displaying lyrics, but a laptop can be used for a lot of things live.

    Once saw a band playing and a laptop was used with a USB keyboard and a projector, the laptop providing both keyboard sounds and visualisations.

    Thanks for the reply Jambo,

    What else can you do with a laptop in relation to guitar? What are some of the most commonly used software guitarists use? I realise that's a very broad question! But as I said I am curious.

    Actually, for someone playing a solo gig in a busy bar what equipment is usually used? Amplifier, microphone etc?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭Jambo221


    No problem :)

    Over the years I've used various notation software like Powertab and Guitar Pro, but in the last while I've been using Tuxguitar, great for just loading up songs and playing along, I'd definitely recommend it for anyone learning as you can adjust the tempo of the song and slow it down a bit if you need to.

    As for performance software, I wouldn't know too much about that. I once saw a guitarist playing through a netbook and it sounded terrible, I could see from the screen that he was using some software effects or something.

    If you wanted to replicate what the guy in the bar was doing, you could get away with an MP3 player with backing music on it plugged into a small PA. Most pubs with regular live music will have a PA system of some kind. Aside from that it really depends on your own guitar, if it's electric you will need an amplifier, an electro-acoustic guitar could be plugged straight into a PA I think, hopefully someone else can answer that, I've never actually played an acoustic live.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,283 ✭✭✭Deedsie


    Jambo221 wrote: »
    No problem :)

    Over the years I've used various notation software like Powertab and Guitar Pro, but in the last while I've been using Tuxguitar, great for just loading up songs and playing along, I'd definitely recommend it for anyone learning as you can adjust the tempo of the song and slow it down a bit if you need to.

    As for performance software, I wouldn't know too much about that. I once saw a guitarist playing through a netbook and it sounded terrible, I could see from the screen that he was using some software effects or something.

    If you wanted to replicate what the guy in the bar was doing, you could get away with an MP3 player with backing music on it plugged into a small PA. Most pubs with regular live music will have a PA system of some kind. Aside from that it really depends on your own guitar, if it's electric you will need an amplifier, an electro-acoustic guitar could be plugged straight into a PA I think, hopefully someone else can answer that, I've never actually played an acoustic live.

    I never realised how complex it is to do gigs in pubs and places. I play an electro-acoustic guitar as in an acoustic with a pick up built into it! I have never connected it to an amp as I don't know the difference yet between electric amps and acoustic amps!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 206 ✭✭Elysian


    Deedsie wrote: »
    I never realised how complex it is to do gigs in pubs and places. I play an electro-acoustic guitar as in an acoustic with a pick up built into it! I have never connected it to an amp as I don't know the difference yet between electric amps and acoustic amps!

    An acoustic amp can be thought of as a PA in a combo box. The idea here is that it should sound just like your acoustic, only louder.

    An electric guitar amp is designed to amplify frequencies in a narrower range than an acoustic amp. Unlike an acoustic amp which tries to add as little coloring to the sound as possible, an electric guitar amp is part of the sound of an electric guitar.
    Deedsie wrote: »
    My question is what was the laptop used for?

    There are a lot of possibilities of what you can do as a solo artist with a laptop or computer.

    As your most basic level you can use it to play mp3 backing tracks. You can take this a level further if you have a multiple output sound-card which would allow you to hear the backing track and a click track through some kind of in ear monitor while the crowd only hears the backing track.

    Moving beyond backing tracks you can setup a computer/laptop as a looper so you can accompany yourself live. Like this:



    or this:



    You can also use your laptop/computer/tablet as a virtual guitar amp:





    There's loads more you can do but hopefully that gives you an idea of the potential.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,283 ✭✭✭Deedsie


    Elysian wrote: »
    An acoustic amp can be thought of as a PA in a combo box. The idea here is that it should sound just like your acoustic, only louder.

    An electric guitar amp is designed to amplify frequencies in a narrower range than an acoustic amp. Unlike an acoustic amp which tries to add as little coloring to the sound as possible, an electric guitar amp is part of the sound of an electric guitar.



    There are a lot of possibilities of what you can do as a solo artist with a laptop or computer.

    As your most basic level you can use it to play mp3 backing tracks. You can take this a level further if you have a multiple output sound-card which would allow you to hear the backing track and a click track through some kind of in ear monitor while the crowd only hears the backing track.

    Moving beyond backing tracks you can setup a computer/laptop as a looper so you can accompany yourself live. Like this:



    or this:



    You can also use your laptop/computer/tablet as a virtual guitar amp:





    There's loads more you can do but hopefully that gives you an idea of the potential.

    Whoa, that's an awful lot of information. Thanks for taking the time to compose such a reply! Very interesting.


    When you say "multiple output sound-card" is this something that can be retrofitted to a laptop? I know laptops are different, but to a newish laptop would it be more likely to be able to fit this?

    This is the guitar I am playing at the moment!

    http://www.waltons.ie/Product/View.aspx?id=1303


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,283 ✭✭✭Deedsie


    Elysian wrote: »
    An acoustic amp can be thought of as a PA in a combo box. The idea here is that it should sound just like your acoustic, only louder.

    An electric guitar amp is designed to amplify frequencies in a narrower range than an acoustic amp. Unlike an acoustic amp which tries to add as little coloring to the sound as possible, an electric guitar amp is part of the sound of an electric guitar.



    There are a lot of possibilities of what you can do as a solo artist with a laptop or computer.

    As your most basic level you can use it to play mp3 backing tracks. You can take this a level further if you have a multiple output sound-card which would allow you to hear the backing track and a click track through some kind of in ear monitor while the crowd only hears the backing track.

    Moving beyond backing tracks you can setup a computer/laptop as a looper so you can accompany yourself live. Like this:



    or this:



    You can also use your laptop/computer/tablet as a virtual guitar amp:





    There's loads more you can do but hopefully that gives you an idea of the potential.

    Whoa, that's an awful lot of information. Thanks for taking the time to compose such a reply! Very interesting.


    When you say "multiple output sound-card" is this something that can be retrofitted to a laptop? I know laptops are different, but to a newish laptop would it be more likely to be able to fit this?

    This is the guitar I am playing at the moment!

    http://www.waltons.ie/Product/View.aspx?id=1303

    Would anyone be familiar with this model? Personally I like it, nice to play and that but I suppose eventually I would like to upgrade to another electo-acoustic guitar!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 206 ✭✭Elysian


    Deedsie wrote: »
    When you say "multiple output sound-card" is this something that can be retrofitted to a laptop? I know laptops are different, but to a newish laptop would it be more likely to be able to fit this?

    No laptop or computer would come with one as stock. Something like http://www.thomann.de/ie/tc_electronic_desktop_konnekt_6.htm would do the job fine since it has two outputs. The first would be plugged into the pa system and output a mix of your guitar and the backing tracks for the crowd to hear, the second output would be connected to a set of in ear monitors and provide extra sounds that only you can hear like a click track.

    Most people would find a setup like this overkill, esp for playing in a pub, but I think it works great and allows you to open yourself up to ideas you couldn't do properly otherwise.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    Maybe he was browing the web.. I know I get bored out of my tree playin the same stuff over and over.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,863 ✭✭✭seachto7


    I still don't get or agree with lads using backing tracks and charging full band money for covers gigs..... ???


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭population


    They don't. I did bands for years and then solo backing tracks for years and essentially the venue payed me more or less the same that I would have gotten in a band. But the venue didn't have to fork out for two or three other lads.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,283 ✭✭✭Deedsie


    What knd of money do pubs in rural Ireland pay musicians to play? Just a ball park figure, just curious!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,863 ✭✭✭seachto7


    I'm talking about "one man bands" charging the same as a full band. Half the time the publicans haven't a clue about music, and just think it's a "band".....


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