Do you see Gatso vans/Speed Vans as a necessity or a revenue stream

sfwcork

I had this discussion with a good mate of mine who is a guard over the weekend. My point was that I see vans in zones which are not notorious black spots and now more in areas where it would be considered an "Easy catch"Im all for any measure which will actually save lives but not all for a hidden revenue streamwhats the opinion?

Jesus Wept

I don't see them, I'm driving too fast.

Melion

They are a joke, i passed 2 on Saturday afternoon on the same stretch of road within 2 miles of each other. Everyone knows where they are on that particular road.

Shenshen

I'm for them as a necessary instrument to enforce adherence to the rules of the road.
I honestly don't care where they place them. If, as you say, they are placed where they are likely to generate the most revenue, they must be placed somewhere where people are more liable to speed.
Therefore a good spot.

I don't see them as a "revenue stream" so much. After all, it's completely up to each individual driver if they want to speed, and therefore potentially end up paying.

sfwcork

wrote:

Andy Carroll
Unplayable
driving too fast.

hey andy hows life at the hammers

you can afford to pay them with the 70K a week you earn.Drive on lad

Casillas

You may be on to something OP;

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/100m-car-tax-dodgers-to-be-caught-by-speed-cameras-3243034.html

Stinicker

They represent nothing less than the typical corrupt politics which has ruined Ireland. They are ran by Go-Safe a consortium led by Xavier McAuliffe a big Fianna Fail supporter.

If I am ever caught speeding I would go to jail before I'd pay a brown cent to them shower.

snubbleste

If people did not commit the offences then there would be no need for them.

bluecode

There are two kinds of speed vans. The go safe vans which heavily marked and whose locations are well known. You can even get a phone app which warns you when you enter a camera zone. I actually live in one so I can't switch it on in the house.:D So there's no excuse for getting caught by one of those.

Then there's the Garda vans which can be anywhere. The only time I've seen them has been on motorways which I find ridiculous. When I see that I suspect it's a moneymaking scam because so many people go faster on the motorway. Yet it's far less dangerous than doing the same thing on an ordinary road.

garv123

On a 30mile stretch of 80km/h road there used always be speed checks.. Since the gatso vans came in that road was deemed unsafe to position vans and there hasn't been a speed check since.. There are people killed on the road every year..
Further in the road near the town where they can put the van has never had deaths on the stretch of road its on.

sfwcork

wrote:

snubbleste



If people did not commit the offences then there would be no need for them.

thats correct but there is also a % of roads where the speed limit is not fair and needs to reviewed.Even the government are admitting that

do you really think all gatso vans are in "Fair" Places where the speed limit is fair

UCDVet

snubbleste wrote: »

If people did not commit the offences then there would be no need for them.

In theory - maybe.
In practice - no.

People have spent a lot of time monitoring traffic patterns. The vast majority of people will drive at a reasonable speed, regardless of the posted limit. Some small percentage of people will speed, regardless of the posted limit.

Speeding tickets are rarely an effective deterrent... but whatever. That's fair enough, let speeders pay for their offences, right?

Except, people are greedy, crooked, bastards. And it doesn't take long before the people in power want more power. They use the guise of 'safety' but it's really about money and power. Since things like Speed Vans turn a profit and that profit is controlled by the people running the Vans - well, they have a monetary incentive to ticket people. The goal isn't maintaining safety, the goal is generating revenue.

And then you see things change. Things like speed limits being artificially lowered such that most reasonable drivers are now speeding, so that they have more people to ticket. Things like 'Pay the ticket now and it's only X euros, but if you want to defend yourself, you have to pay 2X euro!' start to happen. No justice, a company says you did a crime, so you have to pay; because lord knows you won't win if you fight it. So you pay the 1/2 now instead of the full-price later and bitch and moan about it.

Even when it puts people's lives at risk - governments are happy enough to let their citizens die for increased revenue. Red-light camera's have been installed in places as a source of revenue, cities start spending that revenue, but it quickly tappers off as people realize 100% of violations result in a ticket and they learn where they are places. So the cities reduce the amount of time the light is yellow, so that drivers who aren't doing anything wrong will get tickets too. Then drivers get so paranoid, the slam on their brakes rather than risk going through the intersection and the guy behind them crashes into them.

L.Jenkins

Revenue stream all the way. The cunts nabbed me once, when they were hidden down a side road in the dark of night. Won't happen again, that I can guarentee.

MagicSean

Melion wrote: »

They are a joke, i passed 2 on Saturday afternoon on the same stretch of road within 2 miles of each other. Everyone knows where they are on that particular road.

And do they drive slower?

8k2q1gfcz9s5d4

Mainly a revenue stream. If they are supposed to make our roads safer then..

1. Why are they not painted in an high visability colour, so people will see them, and slow down? lots of them are painted black and hidden to try and catch the driver out. Thats not really making our roads safer.
2. why are they put in wide safe stretchs of road, where there has never been a crash

Shenshen

garv123 wrote: »

On a 30mile stretch of 80km/h road there used always be speed checks.. Since the gatso vans came in that road was deemed unsafe to position vans and there hasn't been a speed check since.. There are people killed on the road every year..
Further in the road near the town where they can put the van has never had deaths on the stretch of road its on.

In fairness to them, I had been asking my hubby recently on a particularly dangerous stretch of road where there never are any speed vans why there weren't any. He replied saying that usually, whenever a car driver spots one of these vans, they will drop whatever speed they were doing before, legal or not, and crawl by the van at around 30 kph.
On a bendy, dangerous road, this behaviour would result in the road becoming even more dangerous than it already is, as people would not necessarily see the cars in front of them breaking in time.

And I have to say I would agree with him there. As long as the average Irish driver has no idea what the legal limit is on whatever stretch of road he might be on at any given time, they will start acting as a serious danger to other drivers the moment they spot a van.

Shenshen

sfwcork wrote: »

thats correct but there is also a % of roads where the speed limit is not fair and needs to reviewed.Even the government are admitting that

do you really think all gatso vans are in "Fair" Places where the speed limit is fair

Such as a number of regional roads having a limit of 80 kph despite them being so narrow and in such a bad state, they've got grass growing down their middle...

There's no point enforcing a speed limit that in itself is nothing short of suicidal.

highdef

Itzy wrote: »

Revenue stream all the way. The cunts nabbed me once, when they were hidden down a side road in the dark of night. Won't happen again, that I can guarentee.

Excellent, great to hear. I assume by saying that, you mean that you learnt your lesson and no longer make a conscious decision to break the law by speeding. One less speeder on the roads. If only there were more like you

MagicSean

Roman Square Sinner wrote: »

Mainly a revenue stream. If they are supposed to make our roads safer then..

1. Why are they not painted in an high visability colour, so people will see them, and slow down? lots of them are painted black and hidden to try and catch the driver out. Thats not really making our roads safer.
2. why are they put in wide safe stretchs of road, where there has never been a crash

All the new ones have high visibility markings.

They are parked on straight stretches so they have the propler angle and they are not a traffic hazard.

8k2q1gfcz9s5d4

MagicSean wrote: »

All the new ones have high visibility markings.

They are parked on straight stretches so they have the propler angle and they are not a traffic hazard.

30/40% of the ones I see are black. making them very hard to spot at night

I seen one in castlebaldwin in sligo, parked on the open stretch of road on the sligo town side of the village. The guy left his full beams on, anybody driving towards him had no idea it was a speed van. How is this going to slow drivers down

MagicSean

Roman Square Sinner wrote: »

30/40% of the ones I see are black. making them very hard to spot at night

I seen one in castlebaldwin in sligo, parked on the open stretch of road on the sligo town side of the village. The guy left his full beams on, anybody driving towards him had no idea it was a speed van. How is this going to slow drivers down

The private ones are high vis. They also have survey vans which are not. The Garda ones are large transits. Some are high vis, some are not.

SeaFields

Shenshen wrote: »

whenever a car driver spots one of these vans, they will drop whatever speed they were doing before, legal or not, and crawl by the van at around 30 kph.

This sort of behaviour is beyond stupid.

I see it all the time. For example yesterday travelling from Cork to Mallow fairly, poor visibility because of the rain. Most cars doing 70-80kph on a 100kph road. There was a car behind me almost came to a stop because we passed one of these vans. He was behind me one minute and a dot in the rearview mirror the next and yet no where near breaking the limit. Idiot.

Shenshen

SeaFields wrote: »

This sort of behaviour is beyond stupid.

I see it all the time. Yesterday travelling from Cork to Mallow fairly poor visibility because of the rain. Most cars doing 70-80kph on a 100kph road. There was a car behind me almost came to a stop because we passed one of these vans. He was behind me one minute and a dot in the rearview mirror the next and yet no where near breaking the limit. Idiot.

I couldn't agree more, I've seen it more than once myself.
As I'm sure have the guards and the authorities.
So for them to put a van on a stretch of road with poor visibility would be utter madness.

The obvious downside is, of course, that this means that traffic on these roads is not monitored and controlled, and bad accidents will continue to happen.
Bit of a catch 22, really.

keithclancy

Not really since they brought in Penalty points.

Fines in Ireland are wicked low anyway, only 80 euro for 'speeding'

Heres an example of fines within City limits in the Netherlands:

http://www.tehardgereden.nl/boetes.php?intHoofdcategorieID=1&intMainID=5&intSubID=57&intOverzichtID=209

Category 1: motor vehicles, mopeds, disabled motor vehicles, microcars, agricultural tractors and motor vehicles with limited speed.

Category 2: trucks, buses and vehicles with trailers.
Category 1 2
exceeded to 4 km / h € 22.00 € 36.00
exceeded by 5 km / h € 27.00 € 42.00
exceeding 6 km / h € 32.00 € 49.00
exceeding 7 km / h € 37.00 € 57.00
excess of 8 km / h € 42.00 € 65.00
exceeded by 9 km / h € 48.00 € 73.00
exceeded by 10 km / h € 54.00 € 81.00
exceeded by 11 km / h € 61.00 € 89.00
exceeded by 12 km / h € 68.00 € 98.00
exceeded by 13 km / h € 75.00 € 108.00
exceeded by 14 km / h € 82.00 € 117.00
exceeded by 15 km / h € 89.00 € 127.00
exceeded by 16 km / h € 97.00 € 137.00
exceeded by 17 km / h € 105.00 € 148.00
exceeded by 18 km / h € 114.00 € 159.00
exceeded by 19 km / h € 123.00 € 170.00
exceeded by 20 km / h € 132.00 € 170.00
exceeded by 21 km / h € 142.00 € 194.00
exceeded by 22 km / h € 152.00 € 207.00
exceeded by 23 km / h € 162.00 € 218.00
exceeded by 24 km / h € 171.00 € 231.00
exceeded by 25 km / h € 183.00 € 245.00
exceeded by 26 km / h € 194.00 € 260.00
exceeded by 27 km / h € 206.00 € 274.00
exceeded by 28 km / h € 217.00 € 288.00
exceeded by 29 km / h € 228.00 € 302.00
exceeding 30 km / h € 241.00 € 318.00
overrun of 31 or more:
The penalty amount is determined on the basis of an individual decision of the Public Prosecutor.

On this page are the fines for speed on the road as at 01-01-2011 funds. Above amounts is still there? 6 - administration.

ScumLord

Melion wrote: »

Everyone knows where they are on that particular road.

I thought that was the point though, they're not necessarily out to catch people but to get them to slow down. If you know a stretch of road is going to have a speed camera on it you'll at least do the speed limit on that stretch of road. In the UK you just can't speed, they're watching you everywhere you go so people don't speed as much as here.

I went down to Cork recently and couldn't get over the amount of speed cameras, I was speeding past all of them but somehow didn't get a ticket, I thought I was going to lose my license. I wasn't much over the limit though as they'd positioned the camera on hills with over taking lanes (presumably to catch people trying to over take trucks with the limited overtaking opportunity).

Speeding vans should be very obvious and in areas were accidents happen. I think they should even put signs up to say there's a speeding van ahead so that traffic does the speed limit on that bad piece of road.

MagicSean

keithclancy wrote: »

Not really since they brought in Penalty points.

Fines in Ireland are wicked low anyway, only 80 euro for 'speeding'

Heres an example of fines within City limits in the Netherlands:

http://www.tehardgereden.nl/boetes.php?intHoofdcategorieID=1&intMainID=5&intSubID=57&intOverzichtID=209

I understand that there are a lot of irish getting quite a shock when they start driving in Oz. Our system is mild in comparison.

Bummer1234

MagicSean wrote: »

And do they drive slower?

Always parked when I see them!!

kowloon

Couldn't find it but there was a priceless video of some announcement about changes to speeding laws and when whatever minister it was at the time said it wasn't a revenue stream a senior guard standing to the side did the :rolleyes: expression.

I know it's not much to go on, but does anyone remember this video doing the rounds?

Death and Taxes

MagicSean wrote: »

All the new ones have high visibility markings.

They are parked on straight stretches so they have the propler angle and they are not a traffic hazard.

Some of the older vans are still not in the bright new colours, and despite of the crap being peddled by the GS press office they are not just placed on stretches of roads which have a history of bad accidents.

When was the last time there was a bad accident on Mount Argus Road, or the road between Gormanstown and Julianstown. Truth is they are a revenue stream for the Government, whats worse they dont even make the roads safer as they dont detect dangerous/careless driving, use of mobiles, lack of lights etc.
I have no issue with the Traffic Corps enforcing all the rules , but these vans are just a money machine.:mad:

dj jarvis

kowloon wrote: »

Couldn't find it but there was a priceless video of some announcement about changes to speeding laws and when whatever minister it was at the time said it wasn't a revenue stream a senior guard standing to the side did the :rolleyes: expression.

I know it's not much to go on, but does anyone remember this video doing the rounds?

i also remember that clip , two FF blastards , and one says its not a revenue stram and the y look at each other and smirk like only a thieving FF blastard can
and these f2ckwits are going back up in the polls !!!! :mad:

anyone that thinks that these vans are not SOLELY for cash collection , then they are deluded
as they were introduced, we were informed that they would be placed in area where people have died before , well i have seen them regularly placed on the SAFEST part of the road , but they know there is more of a chance to catch someone going a few k over the limit

so is that saving lives or being complete blastrds ? i know which one it is

im going to look for that clip on you tube , if i find it , ill post the link

dj jarvis

here ya go , i have no idea how to set this up , but here is the link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e5FjUuAGi8

MagicSean

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Some of the older vans are still not in the bright new colours, and despite of the crap being peddled by the GS press office they are not just placed on stretches of roads which have a history of bad accidents.

When was the last time there was a bad accident on Mount Argus Road, or the road between Gormanstown and Julianstown. Truth is they are a revenue stream for the Government, whats worse they dont even make the roads safer as they dont detect dangerous/careless driving, use of mobiles, lack of lights etc.
I have no issue with the Traffic Corps enforcing all the rules , but these vans are just a money machine.:mad:

Don't know those areas. All I know is the ones around where I live are on roads that have a history of accidents, bad accidents too. I remember many of them. Same goes for the town near me. Five routes out of it are monitored, all of which have had fatal accidents in the past few years. I'm talking about the new private ones here.

I don't know what way the Garda locations are chosen. I don't think the decision goes very far up the line though so i can't see what benefit it would be to create a revenue stream for the person who makes the decision.

I.S.T.

sfwcork wrote: »

I had this discussion with a good mate of mine who is a guard over the weekend. My point was that I see vans in zones which are not notorious black spots and now more in areas where it would be considered an "Easy catch"Im all for any measure which will actually save lives but not all for a hidden revenue streamwhats the opinion?

If it's not about revenue generation, they would abolish the fine aspect of the offense and just give penalty points.

Dravokivich

Roman Square Sinner wrote: »

Mainly a revenue stream. If they are supposed to make our roads safer then..

[*]Why are they not painted in an high visability colour, so people will see them, and slow down? lots of them are painted black and hidden to try and catch the driver out. Thats not really making our roads safer.
[*]why are they put in wide safe stretchs of road, where there has never been a crash

I have never understood this. Why do they have to be visible? Same for the cameras mounted on poles (actual poles, not Polish people).

Death and Taxes

MagicSean wrote: »

Don't know those areas. All I know is the ones around where I live are on roads that have a history of accidents, bad accidents too. I remember many of them. Same goes for the town near me. Five routes out of it are monitored, all of which have had fatal accidents in the past few years. I'm talking about the new private ones here.

I don't know what way the Garda locations are chosen. I don't think the decision goes very far up the line though so i can't see what benefit it would be to create a revenue stream for the person who makes the decision.

Well Sean in most cases its not the Garda who make the revenue, there is a private company involved!
this is a lesson on why we should not privatise law enforcement, reform and strengte what we have, but handing law enforcement to the private sector, as in this case, is a recipe for disaster.

opti0nal

Shenshen wrote: »

He replied saying that usually, whenever a car driver spots one of these vans, they will drop whatever speed they were doing before, legal or not, and crawl by the van at around 30 ...As long as the average Irish driver has no idea what the legal limit is on whatever stretch of road he might be on at any given time, they will start acting as a serious danger to other drivers the moment they spot a van.

The answer to this problem is to conceal the cameras and not have prominent vans.

The 'revenue generator' argument is one of a number of cognitive distortions employed by offenders to justify their behaviour. Others include: 'driving fast is safer', 'the speed limits are wrong', 'confident/competant drivers should be allowed speed' and 'slow drivers cause accidents'.

78% of drivers exceed speed limits. that's too much.

ScumLord

Dravokivich wrote: »

I have never understood this. Why do they have to be visible? Same for the cameras mounted on poles (actual poles, not Polish people).

Because they're supposed to be discouraging you from speeding. Stopping someone from speeding is more beneficial than catching someone speeding.

dj jarvis

MagicSean wrote: »

Don't know those areas. All I know is the ones around where I live are on roads that have a history of accidents, bad accidents too. I remember many of them. Same goes for the town near me. Five routes out of it are monitored, all of which have had fatal accidents in the past few years. I'm talking about the new private ones here.

I don't know what way the Garda locations are chosen. I don't think the decision goes very far up the line though so i can't see what benefit it would be to create a revenue stream for the person who makes the decision.

ah sean , really ???

look , its in EVERY government employee's benefit to gather as much cash from the public as they can ,better public purse , more chance of a rise and better benefits - full stop , end of - if you don't see that then all hope is lost for you.

and to prove the point - i got arrested 25 odd years ago on a motorbike with a English reg , had it in the state over 6 months avoiding the VRT
got DRAGGED off the bike by a pr1ck of a cop , thrown into the squad car with 3 other cops , while being squeezed to death in the back with 3 of them , one looked over and squealed " you would not have gotten a 1/4 of this attention if you had mugged a old lady , you are robbing from the state by not paying VRT , so in turn you are robbing from me and my children , and for that we will f"ck you up every time "

so , not revenue collection ??? my feckin arse

The Maverick

dj jarvis wrote: »

ah sean , really ???

look , its in EVERY government employee's benefit to gather as much cash from the public as they can ,better public purse , more chance of a rise and better benefits - full stop , end of - if you don't see that then all hope is lost for you.

and to prove the point - i got arrested 25 odd years ago on a motorbike with a English reg , had it in the state over 6 months avoiding the VRT
got DRAGGED off the bike by a pr1ck of a cop , thrown into the squad car with 3 other cops , while being squeezed to death in the back with 3 of them , one looked over and squealed " you would not have gotten a 1/4 of this attention if you had mugged a old lady , you are robbing from the state by not paying VRT , so in turn you are robbing from me and my children , and for that we will f"ck you up every time "

so , not revenue collection ??? my feckin arse

Any guard who can figure out exactly how many tickets they need to issue so that by the time the money has gone all the way back into the central pot and been divided out again, they receive a pay rise, is being wasted on traffic duty.

If that quote from the garda arresting you happened, how you or the other guards could keep a straight face at the cheesy action movie qualities of that line is very impressive.

Some speeding vans are useful but I think everyone knows a long,straight stretch of road where they are positioned purely to generate revenue. There's a stretch near me that's 60 km/h, even though before it was bypassed it was apparently capable of 100 km/h. How is it less safe and in need of more enforcement now that there is less traffic on it before?

MagicSean

dj jarvis wrote: »

look , its in EVERY government employee's benefit to gather as much cash from the public as they can ,better public purse , more chance of a rise and better benefits - full stop , end of - if you don't see that then all hope is lost for you.

No person thinks like that. It's too grand a scale for an individual to consider.

dj jarvis wrote: »

and to prove the point - i got arrested 25 odd years ago on a motorbike with a English reg , had it in the state over 6 months avoiding the VRT
got DRAGGED off the bike by a pr1ck of a cop , thrown into the squad car with 3 other cops , while being squeezed to death in the back with 3 of them , one looked over and squealed " you would not have gotten a 1/4 of this attention if you had mugged a old lady , you are robbing from the state by not paying VRT , so in turn you are robbing from me and my children , and for that we will f"ck you up every time "

Back then I think Gardaí got a portion of VRT once it was paid on a vehcile they seized. Something like 10%. There is no such reward anymore.

The Maverick

MagicSean wrote: »

Back then I think Gardaí got a portion of VRT once it was paid on a vehcile they seized. Something like 10%. There is no such reward anymore.

Jesus that can't be true? How in the name of god would that ever be considered a good idea.

mikom

A money racket that lowers peoples respect for those in law enforcement.

repsol

MagicSean wrote: »

No person thinks like that. It's too grand a scale for an individual to consider.



Back then I think Gardaí got a portion of VRT once it was paid on a vehcile they seized. Something like 10%. There is no such reward anymore.

That is nonsense. Gardai never got commission. The vans operated by the Gardai are however a huge cash cow.There is a road in North Dublin and I have it on good authority that a 5 figure sum for fines can be achieved in a couple of hours no problem as the limit is low but the road is good quality with loads of traffic

keith16

I don't care because I always obey the speed limit.

It's not like speeding in this country makes any difference in any case. You can get to Belfast, Cork, Galway and Limerick from Dublin in the guts of two hours or so.

I often will see people flying past me on the N11 only to pull up beside them at traffic lights 30 seconds later. I don't get it at all.

dj jarvis

MagicSean wrote: »

No person thinks like that. It's too grand a scale for an individual to consider.



Back then I think Gardaí got a portion of VRT once it was paid on a vehcile they seized. Something like 10%. There is no such reward anymore.

you are joking are you not?

Rodin

Specs cameras are the way to go.

dj jarvis

The Maverick wrote: »

Any guard who can figure out exactly how many tickets they need to issue so that by the time the money has gone all the way back into the central pot and been divided out again, they receive a pay rise, is being wasted on traffic duty.

If that quote from the garda arresting you happened, how you or the other guards could keep a straight face at the cheesy action movie qualities of that line is very impressive.

Some speeding vans are useful but I think everyone knows a long,straight stretch of road where they are positioned purely to generate revenue. There's a stretch near me that's 60 km/h, even though before it was bypassed it was apparently capable of 100 km/h. How is it less safe and in need of more enforcement now that there is less traffic on it before?

verbatim, from one of Corks finest, round red faced ignorant ****ehawks.
And how do you know i was not laughing ? - And how is a sweaty fat cop squeezed into a ford on the Inchicore rd the qualities of ANY action movie ?
what films do you watch

so if tax collection and revenue enforcement is not so important to the garda , why oh why are there soooooo many tax traffic stops ? public safety ? civic concern ? ehhhh no - why so many checkpoints with the customs ? dipping for diesel ? checking VRT ? again revenue collection

the speed vans DO serve a duel purpose - but the main reason is for your cash - Dublin city is the safest city for road deaths in Europe , yet every feckin bush has a cop with a speed gun , normally on stretches of road like the stillorgan duel carriage way , easy pickings , again for safety ?
i would say no , if they wanted to really focus on safety, why not focus on dangerous roads instead on the roads with the easy pickings - you see it everyday - as the majority of posters have also voiced

keith16

dj jarvis wrote: »

verbatim, from one of Corks finest, round red faced ignorant ****ehawks.
And how do you know i was not laughing ? - And how is a sweaty fat cop squeezed into a ford on the Inchicore rd the qualities of ANY action movie ?
what films do you watch

so if tax collection and revenue enforcement is not so important to the garda , why oh why are there soooooo many tax traffic stops ? public safety ? civic concern ? ehhhh no - why so many checkpoints with the customs ? dipping for diesel ? checking VRT ? again revenue collection

the speed vans DO serve a duel purpose - but the main reason is for your cash - Dublin city is the safest city for road deaths in Europe , yet every feckin bush has a cop with a speed gun , normally on stretches of road like the stillorgan duel carriage way , easy pickings , again for safety ?
i would say no , if they wanted to really focus on safety, why not focus on dangerous roads instead on the roads with the easy pickings - you see it everyday - as the majority of posters have also voiced

I've been stopped, once, maybe twice in the last two years to tax checks.

And why shouldn't they check for VRT? Why would I even bother paying my motor tax if people don't pay VRT?

Why do people have such a big chip on their shoulder when it comes to speeding and some perception they are being "caught out"? How about you just obey the rules of the road.

Please Kill Me

They have NOTHING to do with safety! They are revenue earners all the way. Fish in a barrel, easy targets, easy money...call it what you will, that's all they are.

keith16 wrote: »

How about you just obey the rules of the road.

How about speed limits be more realistic?? I've been on roads with an 100kph limit and you'd be lucky if you could get more than 60kph without rattling your car to bits or killing yourself on a hairpin bend! Then there are stretches where you could comfortably do 100kph and has a 60 limit. Why? To make it easier to catch people unaware!! Tossers!!

dj jarvis

keith16 wrote: »

I've been stopped, once, maybe twice in the last two years to tax checks.

And why shouldn't they check for VRT? Why would I even bother paying my motor tax if people don't pay VRT?

Why do people have such a big chip on their shoulder when it comes to speeding and some perception they are being "caught out"? How about you just obey the rules of the road.

you are picking up what i am trying to say wrong,
i did not say it was wrong - i said that is the reason they are doing it

i have no chip on any of my shoulders - i just can seen the reason why they do it

as for the obey the rules of the road comment, you are aware that driving a bike with the vrt lapsed is a revenue problem , not a road traffic issue ?
and where oh where did i say i was speeding ?

and your personal experience of the amount of road traffic stops and mine do not count as a true reflection on the amount of ACTUAL road check points , so really my evaluation is as valid as yours - but to forward your argument your is more valid than mine ?

yes i was caught - for waiting 3 months over the limit while i earned enough to pay for the VRT , and in taking the bike off me they killed all chance of that - while also having to be abused by a Pr1ck of a garda for this lapse.

oooohhh , real al capone i am

even al was caught for taxes - you believe what you want, and ride off on your high horse - i guess you have NEVER EVER broken the speed limit :eek:

opti0nal

Please Kill Me wrote: »

They have NOTHING to do with safety! They are revenue earners all the way. Fish in a barrel, easy targets, easy money...call it what you will, that's all they are.

If this is true, how much net profit is made by the state from speeding fines, once operational costs have been deducted? Back up your argument.

Please Kill Me wrote: »

How about speed limits be more realistic??..Then there are stretches where you could comfortably do 100kph and has a 60 limit. Why?

Because you care more about your own comfort than the safety of those who live along or use those roads?