sv-9360 indoor ariel wont work

futurefarmer

Just back from being away and cant get above ariel to work with saorview reciever, is it something im doing ? Sorry for the general Q im in cork near midleton just moved in2 a new place no points in the room and cant start drilling holes im afraid

Peter Rhea

How long were you away & what part of the country are you in? Some areas needed retunes this month.

coylemj

OP, it's possible that the signal in your new place is too weak to be picked up by an indoor aerial. Have you done a retune in case you're served by a different transmitter?

futurefarmer

coylemj wrote: »

OP, it's possible that the signal in your new place is too weak to be picked up by an indoor aerial. Have you done a retune in case you're served by a different transmitter?

Just got the reciever today and tried to tune automatically but picked up no stations, doesnt even seem to see the ariel! Got reciever in soundstore

coylemj

Can you see aerials on nearby rooftops? If a lot of your neighbours have aerials (disregard anyone with a dish, they're probably getting RTE from Sky) then it's a sign that the local signal is too weak for an indoor aerial.

If you want to test the receiver (I assume you mean a Saorview set top box), see if you can test it in a neighbour's house connected to a rooftop aerial.

The Saoview coverage checker says that Midleton is served by Spur Hill which is 25 kms away. Unless you're at an elevated position you will probably need a rooftop aerial.

Extinction

You are very unlikely to get an indoor aerial to work for digital in Middleton. If you are up by Broomfield or somewhere elevated like that you might get a signal but majority of houses in Middleton have external rooftop aerials.

winston_1

futurefarmer wrote: »

Just back from being away and cant get above ariel to work with saorview receiver,

It is because ariel is washing powder.

The TV network is designed for outdoor aerials 10 metres high and that is what you should use. Only around 10% of people can use indoor aerials.

coylemj

winston_1 wrote: »

It is because ariel is washing powder.

The TV network is designed for outdoor aerials 10 metres high and that is what you should use. Only around 10% of people can use indoor aerials.

So 10% of the population can use an indoor aerial and the other 90% need to erect an external aerial that's exactly 10m off the ground?

I already told you in a recent similar thread on Terrestrial that a poster here not long said that he can pick up a perfect picture from Cairn Hill in Co. Longford from an indoor aerial in Athlone and my sister who lives in a bungalow can get an excellent picture from Mt. Leinster using a grid aerial that's no more than 5m off the ground and she's 65 kms from the transmitter.

Why do you keep repeating this rubbish?

Extinction

It is possible to pick up perfect signal with an indoor aerial over vast distances in some circumstances. I delivered a tv to a customer earlier this year who had perfect saorview reception with a vhf rabbits ears, the customer lives in Doneraille Co Cork and the mast is mullaghanish, have a look at the distance from mast that is. I am an instaler and I checked the signal with my meter, it was a perfect signal even with a vhf.
The op is going to be very fortunate though if an indoor aerial works at that distance from Spur Hill or any of the other transmitters around.

winston_1

coylemj wrote: »

So 10% of the population can use an indoor aerial and the other 90% need to erect an external aerial that's exactly 10m off the ground?

I already told you in a recent similar thread on Terrestrial that a poster here not long said that he can pick up a perfect picture from Cairn Hill in Co. Longford from an indoor aerial in Athlone and my sister who lives in a bungalow can get an excellent picture from Mt. Leinster using a grid aerial that's no more than 5m off the ground and she's 65 kms from the transmitter.

Why do you keep repeating this rubbish?

What a stupid response. The fact of the matter is that the TV network is designed for outdoor aerials. An aerial on an average 2 story house will be at around 10 metres high. Of course they will work higher up, ever seen an aerial on a tower block, and on an estate of bungalows lower down. As I said only around 10% will be able to use an indoor aerial and you seem to have highlighted one of those 10%, and a bungalow owner at 5 metres.

The majority of people posting on this and other forums with reception problems is because they are trying to run their 3 figure euro TV's off a €2 indoor aerial or an old VHF indoor aerial. Absolute madness.

Peter Rhea

Extinction wrote: »

I delivered a tv to a customer earlier this year who had perfect saorview reception with a vhf rabbits ears, the customer lives in Doneraille Co Cork and the mast is mullaghanish, have a look at the distance from mast that is.

The only Doneraile (one 'l') I can find in Cork is less than 5 miles from Mullaghanish. You must be referring to a different place?

Extinction

Yeah its nort of mallow.

Peter Rhea

Ah, see it now, more like 30 miles.

Extinction

Yes, quite a distance for an indoor vhf but it is an exception, all other houses I installed in the area needed either an outdoor or attic installed aerial.

coylemj

winston_1 wrote: »

What a stupid response. The fact of the matter is that the TV network is designed for outdoor aerials.

A TV transmitter is not 'designed' for outdoor aerials, it's designed to cover a given territory and how high your aerial needs to be is a factor of how far you are from the transmitter, your altitude and the power of the transmitter.

The percentage of the population that can use an indoor aerial is down to the topography of the land close to the transmitter and how many people live there. Baldly stating that 10% of the population can use an indoor aerial and those who can't need a 10m high aerial is downright stupid.

winston_1

I never said a TV transmitter is designed for outdoor aerials, I said the TV network was.

You said quite correctly, "The percentage of the population that can use an indoor aerial is down to the topography of the land close to the transmitter and how many people live there." It just happens that that works out around 10%.

watty

If you exclude those on Cable.

Antenna

futurefarmer wrote: »

Just got the reciever today and tried to tune automatically but picked up no stations, doesnt even seem to see the ariel! Got reciever in soundstore

Try the aerial at a west-facing window (from where you are)

And an upstairs window would be a better chance than downstairs.

STB

winston_1 wrote: »

I never said a TV transmitter is designed for outdoor aerials, I said the TV network was.

You said quite correctly, "The percentage of the population that can use an indoor aerial is down to the topography of the land close to the transmitter and how many people live there." It just happens that that works out around 10%.

Given that a third of the country live in Dublin 10% is simply untrue.

I am 57km from Mt Leinster. My BER is 0 10e-8. Solid.

watty

Yes, but the 1/3rd in Dublin are the most cabled people in Europe.

But basically start with a cheap indoor aerial, if it doesn't work on window sill then try it in attic, then investigate real aerials for attic or on chimney/gable pole.

The fact is that RTE NL has never published proper specifications and their coverage map doesn't indicate where an indoor aerial will work, the coverage map is assuming a "normal" aerial (I forget what gain), 10m above local ground.

winston_1

STB wrote: »

Given that a third of the country live in Dublin 10% is simply untrue.

I am 57km from Mt Leinster. My BER is 0 10e-8. Solid.

Are you suggestion everyone in Dublin can use an indoor aerial? Well they can't.

STB

winston_1 wrote: »

Are you suggestion everyone in Dublin can use an indoor aerial? Well they can't.

No. I didnt say everyone. I said more than 10% in Ireland Winston. And certainly a lot more than 10% in Dublin. I said that Dublins population is a third of the country. Its all maths after that and I am not going to number crunch.

I did live and work in Dublin. And I tried it in a lot of places in Dublin going back as far the start in August 2008 (and even prior to that during the trials over a year earlier). There were not many places I couldn't get watchable TV with an indoor aerial including the city.

I live in the South East now. Like I said I am 57km from Mt Leinster now and am using an indoor aerial. This is the reality.

Improper positioning and the type of indoor aerial used are key and many peoples mistakes.

winston_1

STB wrote: »

I live in the South East now. Like I said I am 57km from Mt Leinster now and am using an indoor aerial. This is the reality.

Well you are one of the 10%, maybe 11% or 9%, I'm not prepared to argue over the exact figures. But the fact is the TV broadcast network is designed for outdoor aerials for continued reliable reception. Why anyone would spend maybe
400 Euro on a TV and try to run it on a 2 Euro crummy indoor aerial is beyond comprehension.

bmaxi

winston_1 wrote: »

Well you are one of the 10%, maybe 11% or 9%, I'm not prepared to argue over the exact figures. But the fact is the TV broadcast network is designed for outdoor aerials for continued reliable reception. Why anyone would spend maybe
400 Euro on a TV and try to run it on a 2 Euro crummy indoor aerial is beyond comprehension.

I've hidden my indoor tv aerial from my tv so it doesn't know.

Carawaystick

watty wrote: »

If you exclude those on Cable.

And on satellite

watty

Satellite users more likely to use TV also. Cable more easily feeds all the TVs. Also the FTA satellite need aerial for Irish TV. Also Cable users are often in better reception areas. e.g. Three Rock