audi a5 question.

Amprodude

Can you get the 2.0l tdi 170bhp diesel Audi A5 with quattro? 2008-2011 models.

dmc17

Amprodude wrote: »

Can you get the 2.0l tdi 170bhp diesel Audi A5 with quattro? 2008-2011 models.

http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/audi/a5/audi-a5-2-0-tdi-quattro-s-line-sportback-satnav-quattro/929568

Computer says yes

bbsrs

Amprodude wrote: »

Can you get the 2.0l tdi 170bhp diesel Audi A5 with quattro? 2008-2011 models.

yes ,http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055331865

Amprodude

bbsrs wrote: »

yes ,http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055331865

Are they hard to get here in Ireland? Havent seen too many with my searches.

AugustusMinimus

Amprodude wrote: »

Are they hard to get here in Ireland? Havent seen too many with my searches.

You won't find many people who bought a 2.0 TDi in Ireland and picked Quattro as an option.

I agree with you though. Can't understand the point of buying a car like an A5 in the knowledge that it's FWD.

bazz26

The majority of owners are probably not concerned with which axle drives them.

anthony4335

Just bite the bullit and get the 3.0, you will not regret it.

Amprodude

anthony4335 wrote: »

Just bite the bullit and get the 3.0, you will not regret it.

in that case I'd be better off buying a petrol model. 3.0 i think would cost too much to insure at my age (27). The mpg economy wouldn't be great either for a
person doing 40+ miles commute two ways a day to and from work. 2.0 would be ideal but you can't have everything I guess unless I get one in from the uk?

AugustusMinimus

bazz26 wrote: »

The majority of owners are probably not concerned with which axle drives them.

They will when they press the accelerator and the front wheels start hopping. Supposed to be particularly bad on the 1.8 Turbo Petrol model.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

They will win they press the accelerator and the front wheels start hopping. Supposed to be particularly bad on the 1.8 Turbo Petrol model.

I got a a5 fwd for a loaner when my car was being serviced. I asked returning it if the tyres were bald or the traction control was broken, the dealer told me thats the way they drive. The front spins at the slightest provocation, absolutely shocking un drivable in warm dry conditions.

mickdw

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

They will when they press the accelerator and the front wheels start hopping. Supposed to be particularly bad on the 1.8 Turbo Petrol model.

Monica Wonderful Arsonist wrote: »

I got a a5 fwd for a loaner when my car was being serviced. I asked returning it if the tyres were bald or the traction control was broken, the dealer told me thats the way they drive. The front spins at the slightest provocation, absolutely shocking un drivable in warm dry conditions.

Yes, I can confirm that this is how they drive. A front seat passenger is a good cure though.
The 2.0 tdi was available in quattro but very rare here.

Turtle-TM

Quattro as an option over here is very rare, as is adaptive air suspension on the Q7. My advice, don't go under 2.0, and only go with a Quattro. My A8 saved me a lot of head aches during the bad weather 2 years ago. Source from the uk, or maybe one of the Audi dealers will have an ex fleet that was spec'd up a bit. But don't write off a 3.0 Tdi for insurance, if your commute is mainly motorway it's a no brainier, mine sits at 2,000 rpm all the way at 120kph

My insurance isn't too bad, 1200 first year down to 630 with a 5 year ncb this year. And that's with 2 points at 29.

Amprodude

Turtle-TM wrote: »

Quattro as an option over here is very rare, as is adaptive air suspension on the Q7. My advice, don't go under 2.0, and only go with a Quattro. My A8 saved me a lot of head aches during the bad weather 2 years ago. Source from the uk, or maybe one of the Audi dealers will have an ex fleet that was spec'd up a bit. But don't write off a 3.0 Tdi for insurance, if your commute is mainly motorway it's a no brainier, mine sits at 2,000 rpm all the way at 120kph

My insurance isn't too bad, 1200 first year down to 630 with a 5 year ncb this year. And that's with 2 points at 29.

What is the mpg for a 3.0l diesel with quattro as a matter of interest?
Im hoping to get a 2010 model A5 in the new year, I cant see my insurance being cheap with a 3.0l. It wont be motorways il be driving unfortunetely.

Turtle-TM

I get between 7.4 and 7.9l/100km on the motorway. Stop start city driving is far worse though.

Like I said, I find the Quattro to be a great addition with the bad weather, ice snow etc, and I feel very safe in wet conditions, I'd never go back to a front wheel drive. As for insurance, shop around, I've my license 7 years, 5 years ncb and 2 points, going up to 4 at renewal time and its 630 with no nonsense. Was with Aviva for my first year at 1200.

I sincerely hope you're going for the coupe and not the 4 door, it just looks like an A4! Keep a look out for ex fleet in the uk, will be much higher spec and a lot have Quattro.

Turtle-TM

It does really hurt my brain when you see a 1.6 Tdi A5 in silver, with cloth interior, smallest alloys and absolutely no spec in it. I imagine if you could still specify a cassette instead of cd to save some cash people would. We really don't get the "add some spec to help the resale value" thing over here. The guy from the uk who fitted my ami iPod kit was shocked at the low spec levels, a lot of Q7's were bought up over here and imported to the uk to sell super cheap cause they had no sat Nav and no air suspension.

Amprodude

Turtle-TM wrote: »

I get between 7.4 and 7.9l/100km on the motorway. Stop start city driving is far worse though.

Like I said, I find the Quattro to be a great addition with the bad weather, ice snow etc, and I feel very safe in wet conditions, I'd never go back to a front wheel drive. As for insurance, shop around, I've my license 7 years, 5 years ncb and 2 points, going up to 4 at renewal time and its 630 with no nonsense. Was with Aviva for my first year at 1200.

I sincerely hope you're going for the coupe and not the 4 door, it just looks like an A4! Keep a look out for ex fleet in the uk, will be much higher spec and a lot have Quattro.

Coupe it will be. I want Quattro as i drive on roads with hills so it would be safer on icy conditions. I also want all extras so it will probably have to come in from the uk. I know with VW they have , comfort-line, Highline etc. to distinguish the cars with most and least spec. Do Audi do this? Would I get all extras with S-line A5 or are there other options with S-lines? Another question can Quattro be turned off if needed like 4x4 in jeeps? I've driven many Audis but none with Quattro.

Turtle-TM

Quattro is all wheel drive all the time, can't be turned off.

As far as I know (open to correction) s line spec will give you upgraded interior and interior details, different alloys and some exterior detailing. As for equipment your pretty much paying for everything.

If it has sat Nav then the entertainment system will be the Audi mmi, which you can then add the iPod integration and tv/DVD etc. otherwise you'll get the basic Audi cd/radio that can't have iPod integration. Depending on the mmi generation the sat Nav either runs off DVD or with the 3rd gen mmi it uses sd card and can connect to google maps via a SIM card plugged into the car.

That's just going from what I've seen flicking through the spec lists in Audi while I've been waiting! The bigger cars like A6,A7,A8 can have various other comfort and safety packages added some pointless like night vision head up display and some useful like remote boot open.

Amprodude

Turtle-TM wrote: »

It does really hurt my brain when you see a 1.6 Tdi A5 in silver,

Agree with 1.6 tdi option in an A5, Ridiculous.

Is silver a bad colour to get? Thought it would be the easiest to keep clean?

I refuse to get an A5 in black, and my only exceptions are white, bright red, silver and dark metallic blue.

Turtle-TM

I don't mind silver at all, but its just the default colour people get over here. Silver or navy.

Amprodude

Turtle-TM wrote: »

Quattro is all wheel drive all the time, can't be turned off.

As far as I know (open to correction) s line spec will give you upgraded interior and interior details, different alloys and some exterior detailing. As for equipment your pretty much paying for everything.

If it has sat Nav then the entertainment system will be the Audi mmi, which you can then add the iPod integration and tv/DVD etc. otherwise you'll get the basic Audi cd/radio that can't have iPod integration. Depending on the mmi generation the sat Nav either runs off DVD or with the 3rd gen mmi it uses sd card and can connect to google maps via a SIM card plugged into the car.

That's just going from what I've seen flicking through the spec lists in Audi while I've been waiting! The bigger cars like A6,A7,A8 can have various other comfort and safety packages added some pointless like night vision head up display and some useful like remote boot open.

Basically I want one with sat nav, usb, Bluetooth, climate control, cruise control heated seats , iPod integration, reverse parking sensors and alloy wheels. Sunroof would be nice but we don't get the weather to even warrant having it as an extra.

Turtle-TM

Amprodude wrote: »

Basically I want one with sat nav, usb, Bluetooth, climate control, cruise control heated seats , iPod integration, reverse parking sensors and alloy wheels. Sunroof would be nice but we don't get the weather to even warrant having it as an extra.

Bluetooth phone prep should be easy to fund in a 2010, heated seats will be the winter package, cruise control and parking sensors are part of the comfort driving package ( or something to that affect) the only problem there is USB, basically the only way to get iPod connection is to get the Audi ami unit, it fits in the glove box beside the cd changer and allows you to connect an iPod and control it with the mmi controls, it's far quicker and easier to use than the Denison units. You can buy different connection cables, for iPod, aux in, USB for a hard disk or a Bluetooth dongle that lets you stream from iPhone. But you can only use one cable at a time.

If the ami isn't installed there's no one over here that does it, I got a guy from the uk to do it when he was over here on holiday! It's an easy d.i.y though and costs about €500.

Any way, hope my insomniac ramblings give you something to go on!

Basically if it were me, I'd make sure it was s line, heated leather seats, mfsw, ami for iPod, sat Nav, Bluetooth, and was at least the 2.0l if not the 3.0l Tdi.

colm_mcm

Turtle-TM wrote: »

It does really hurt my brain when you see a 1.6 Tdi A5 in silver, with cloth interior, smallest alloys and absolutely no spec in it. I imagine if you could still specify a cassette instead of cd to save some cash people would. We really don't get the "add some spec to help the resale value" thing over here. The guy from the uk who fitted my ami iPod kit was shocked at the low spec levels, a lot of Q7's were bought up over here and imported to the uk to sell super cheap cause they had no sat Nav and no air suspension.

I've never seen a 1.6 TDI A5, or heard of one, I don't think Audi has either

Also on most cars, spec helps resale but not resale value.

sunnysoutheast

Amprodude wrote: »

Coupe it will be. I want Quattro as i drive on roads with hills so it would be safer on icy conditions. I also want all extras so it will probably have to come in from the uk. I know with VW they have , comfort-line, Highline etc. to distinguish the cars with most and least spec. Do Audi do this? Would I get all extras with S-line A5 or are there other options with S-lines? Another question can Quattro be turned off if needed like 4x4 in jeeps? I've driven many Audis but none with Quattro.

Quattro is permanent 4WD and varies the drive front to rear depending on the available grip. I think the default balance is somewhat to the rear on the longitudinal engine Audis at least. You'll be well-advised to get proper winter tyres on cheap steel wheels too!

The multifarious different specs on current Audis make it a nightmare to properly price them. The general levels seem to be SE, Technik (adds leather and satnav), S-line (adds xenon lights and bigger wheels) and Black (adds alcantara and even bigger wheels), but there are so many special editions, variations and options it's a minefield. I think pretty much every A5 I've seen is S-line or Black edition so I don't know if the lower specs are available on them.

A guy at work has a steel grey A5 3.0 V6 TDI S-line DSG Quattro and she's a beauty. He has had a couple of engine issues fixed under warranty though so I'm not sure about the long-term ownership potential.

veetwin

Turtle-TM wrote: »

It does really hurt my brain when you see a 1.6 Tdi A5 in silver, with cloth interior, smallest alloys and absolutely no spec in it. I imagine if you could still specify a cassette instead of cd to save some cash people would. We really don't get the "add some spec to help the resale value" thing over here. The guy from the uk who fitted my ami iPod kit was shocked at the low spec levels, a lot of Q7's were bought up over here and imported to the uk to sell super cheap cause they had no sat Nav and no air suspension.

When did the Audi A5 become available with 1.6tdi engine? Also exporting low spec (if there is such a thing) Q7s to the UK does not make sense. The Q7 is much cheaper over there because they don't pay VRT.

AugustusMinimus

veetwin wrote: »

When did the Audi A5 become available with 1.6tdi engine?

It never has.

glynf

Amprodude wrote: »

What is the mpg for a 3.0l diesel with quattro as a matter of interest?
Im hoping to get a 2010 model A5 in the new year, I cant see my insurance being cheap with a 3.0l. It wont be motorways il be driving unfortunately.

I have an 07 A5 3.0 Tdi quattro, getting about 8.1l/100km combined, and on long runs it sits around the 7.3l/100 at about 120-40kph.

Run a mile from FWD wheel Audi's, horrible, horrible cars to drive especially the 5 door abomination of a thing.

I am also not convinced about the life span of a 2.0 if you are knocking 177hp out of it. 3.0 is the way to go, have to sell mine as 2 doors just is not enough-room wise any more. For my next car I'm on the look out for 2009> A4 estate, and it will most definitely be a a 3.0 quattro again.

Thing is its slim pickings here, as there seems to be nothing but bog standard 2.0l's on the market here and not much better up the north, so it will have to be a UK car.

veetwin

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

It never has.

I know. I was just wondering how Turtle TM's brain got hurt every time he sees a 1.6 A5!

Amprodude

veetwin wrote: »

I know. I was just wondering how Turtle TM's brain got hurt every time he sees a 1.6 A5!

Skodas and VWs have 1.6 TDIs.

Amprodude

glynf wrote: »

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I am also not convinced about the life span of a 2.0 if you are knocking 177hp out of it. 3.0 is the way to go, have to sell mine as 2 doors just is not enough-room wise any more.

What about people that have bought 1.8 TFSI or especially 2.0 TFSI models that are banging out more power than a 2.0 TDI? The same could be said about people that mod tdi engines from 105hp tp 140hp. At least from factory the 2.0 l litre engine 170bhp was built to their specifications so it is built to last. If its modified then that's a different story.

Also maybe I'm wrong here and dont jump down my throat but surely fuel economy is still going to be better in a 2.0l tdi than a 3.0l tdi. 2.0l doesn't have a V6. As much as I love a 3.0 litre and have the cash now to buy an A5. I would be spending too much on maintaining a 3.0 litre long term and my insurance is already expensive on an 1.9 tdi. I can't imagine what it would be on a 3.0 tdi. I only have 3 years no claims bonus and I do shop around each year.

Amprodude

Hope this doesn't sound silly but, can I ask how people here buy cars in the uk?

Do you go over and look at car and buy or do you get a reputable garage in Ireland to watch out for one and they notify you when one becomes available in their garage? Or in my case Ask an Audi garage in Ireland to look out for one?

Never bought a car outside of Ireland so don't know what the right thing is to do.

colm_mcm

Amprodude wrote: »

Skodas and VWs have 1.6 TDIs.

Audi a1 and a3 do too

glynf

Amprodude wrote: »

What about people that have bought 1.8 TFSI or especially 2.0 TFSI models that are banging out more power than a 2.0 TDI? The same could be said about people that mod tdi engines from 105hp tp 140hp. At least from factory the 2.0 l litre engine 170bhp was built to their specifications so it is built to last. If its modified then that's a different story.

Well I just think that even though an engine can be factory remapped from 120hp to 170hp to put out more power, it will ultimately cause it to wear out quicker, also I'm not convinced about VAG's implementation of same, Golf GT 1.4TSI anyone?

Amprodude wrote: »

Also maybe I'm wrong here and dont jump down my throat but surely fuel economy is still going to be better in a 2.0l tdi than a 3.0l tdi. 2.0l doesn't have a V6. As much as I love a 3.0 litre and have the cash now to buy an A5. I would be spending too much on maintaining a 3.0 litre long term and my insurance is already expensive on an 1.9 tdi. I can't imagine what it would be on a 3.0 tdi. I only have 3 years no claims bonus and I do shop around each year.

Obviously fuel consumption and service costs would be way less on the 2.0, not sure about insurance as I have full NCB, IIRC it was a bit extra to insure mine but nothing major, again it will vary person to person.

But I would suggest to hold out for a 2.0 quattro (give a look on Audi UK-especially Wales as its handy for the Holyhead to Dublin ferry f you do go for one) or maybe look at a well specced 320d coupe instead, way nicer car to handle & drive than a fwd audi.

RedorDead

Turtle-TM wrote: »

It does really hurt my brain when you see a 1.6 Tdi A5 in silver, with cloth interior, smallest alloys and absolutely no spec in it. I imagine if you could still specify a cassette instead of cd to save some cash people would. We really don't get the "add some spec to help the resale value" thing over here. The guy from the uk who fitted my ami iPod kit was shocked at the low spec levels, a lot of Q7's were bought up over here and imported to the uk to sell super cheap cause they had no sat Nav and no air suspension.

This is just attention seeking to be honest. Please do some research before you come on spouting ****e about cars and brands. Particularly the bold part. If you actually did some research you would find irish standard equipment for A5's is higher than that in the UK.

You are right in saying that customers and dealers typically dont add more options due to excessive cost though.

Turtle-TM

RedorDead wrote: »

This is just attention seeking to be honest. Please do some research before you come on spouting ****e about cars and brands. Particularly the bold part. If you actually did some research you would find irish standard equipment for A5's is higher than that in the UK.

You are right in saying that customers and dealers typically dont add more options due to excessive cost though.

Whoa there tiger. Who pissed in your cornflakes?! Yes, I put 1.6 rather than 1.8, but I still maintain Irish people can't spec a car to save their lives. Basic is the favoured trim and equipment level over here.

mickdw

Turtle-TM wrote: »

Whoa there tiger. Who pissed in your cornflakes?! Yes, I put 1.6 rather than 1.8, but I still maintain Irish people can't spec a car to save their lives. Basic is the favoured trim and equipment level over here.

You say you put 1.6 instead of 1.8 but it seems you were referring to diesels, in which case there is no 1.6 1.8 or 1.9 tdi.

RedorDead

Turtle-TM wrote: »

Whoa there tiger. Who pissed in your cornflakes?! Yes, I put 1.6 rather than 1.8, but I still maintain Irish people can't spec a car to save their lives. Basic is the favoured trim and equipment level over here.

In writing 1.6TDI you meant 1.6TDI - there is no 1.8TDI, just 1.8TFSI so i dont see how you claim to have confused them. My gripe with you was you came on criticising something you clearly couldnt be bothered researching.

I actually agree with you about Irish people specing cars if you look at the second part of my post. Unfortunately they dont spec their cars to as high a level as the UK.

SE and S Line actually account for over 90% of the A5 sales in Ireland FYI.

166man

Turtle-TM wrote: »

Whoa there tiger. Who pissed in your cornflakes?! Yes, I put 1.6 rather than 1.8, but I still maintain Irish people can't spec a car to save their lives. Basic is the favoured trim and equipment level over here.

Because of this thing called VRT... It's an easy task to spec an Audi A5 with €30k of options without breaking a sweat. That's ludicrous money.

An A5 needs leather and decent wheels and not much else. :cool:

JJJJNR

Amprodude wrote: »

Coupe it will be. I want Quattro as i drive on roads with hills so it would be safer on icy conditions. I also want all extras so it will probably have to come in from the uk. I know with VW they have , comfort-line, Highline etc. to distinguish the cars with most and least spec. Do Audi do this? Would I get all extras with S-line A5 or are there other options with S-lines? Another question can Quattro be turned off if needed like 4x4 in jeeps? I've driven many Audis but none with Quattro.

Stop press - you want to drive a quattro because it would be safer on icy conditions. It dosen't work on icy roads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COC5x42vYnQ

high horse

JJJJNR wrote: »

Stop press - you want to drive a quattro because it would be safer on icy conditions. It dosen't work on icy roads.

That guy is a terrible driver. Way too heavy on the throttle for ice driving

rocky

And probably on summer tyres...

tossy

JJJJNR wrote: »

Stop press - you want to drive a quattro because it would be safer on icy conditions. It dosen't work on icy roads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

Stop press - idiot tries something with the skills of an idiot and fails hence it is impossible? Since when did we apply that rationale to everything.

I can confirm quattro works amazingly well on Icey and snowy hills when you are in fact not an idiot with cavity blocks for feet

Amprodude

JJJJNR wrote: »

Stop press - you want to drive a quattro because it would be safer on icy conditions. It dosen't work on icy roads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COC5x42vYnQ

Better than FWD or RWD though.

pippip

Looks like great craic though!!!:D