US school RFID tracker project prompts court row.

Run_to_da_hills

RFID tagging in schools seem to be becoming widespread right across America at the moment as the country develops itself into a totalitarian track and trace communist state. What a better way to introduce such a system than through the schools, yes, brainwash them while they are young..

If this was my daughter I would place this device in the microwave for twenty seconds and then let her wear it.

Unfortunately you will not be able to do this with Obamacare implants. :eek:

"A court challenge has delayed plans to expel a Texan student for refusing to wear a radio tag that tracked her movements."

'Mark of the beast'

Ms Hernandez refused to wear the tag because it conflicted with her religious beliefs, according to court papers. Wearing such a barcoded tag can be seen as a mark of the beast as described in Revelation 13 in the Bible, Ms Hernandez's father told Wired magazine in an interview".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20461752

Monty Burnz

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

RFID tagging in schools seem to be becoming widespread right across America at the moment as the country develops itself into a totalitarian track and trace communist state.

To be frank, I remember a time when people used to know what 'communist' actually meant - perhaps not in the USA, but certainly in Ireland.

Oddly little concern about actual (rather than the always 'coming') totalitarianism in Belarus, Iran, North Korea, etc.

Run_to_da_hills

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Unfortunately you will not be able to do this with Obamacare implants. :eek:

And luckily, the Obamacare implants are complete fiction, as you know.

Many parents foist ridiculous believes on their children and try to hide behind freedoms rather than justify their nonsense.

Also Rtdhs, I thought you didn't believe that the mark of beast was going to be a barcode. Why does this girl claim it is?

Run_to_da_hills

King Mob wrote: »

And luckily, the Obamacare implants are complete fiction, as you know.

I wouldn't say that, It looks like Obamacare is certainly heading down that direction with biometric recognition. An interesting article in the New York Times recently. Also you must remember Obama has already considered microchipping his troops. Because of the above evidence we can now refer to Barack Obama as the "Microchip Implant man". .

King Mob wrote: »

Many parents foist ridiculous believes on their children and try to hide behind freedoms rather than justify their nonsense.

Also Rtdhs, I thought you didn't believe that the mark of beast was going to be a barcode. Why does this girl claim it is?

I don't however it is just another form branding that will progress on to e_tagging.

Run_to_da_hills

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I wouldn't say that, It looks like Obamacare is certainly heading down that direction with biometric recognition. An interesting article in the New York Times recently. Also you must remember Obama has already considered microchipping his troops. Because of the above evidence we can now refer to Barack Obama as the "Microchip Implant man". .

Yes but you also claimed that he was going to declare martial law. You also continue to maintain you claims about the dreaded hollow point bullets dispite the fact that you have been repeatedly shown again and again what you claim is false.

Similarly this mircochip claim is based on exactly the same poor evidence and reasoning you used to reach your previous failures.
Yet you claim it as fact.

It's as if you don;t actually read other people's posts.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I don't however it is just another form branding that will progress on to e_tagging.

So why does she claim it is the mark of the beast?
Is she wrong?

Run_to_da_hills

King Mob wrote: »

So why does she claim it is the mark of the beast?
Is she wrong?

She is obviously wrong.

You seem to have a good idea of my interpretation of the mark of the beast.

weisses

King Mob wrote: »

Yes but you also claimed that he was going to declare martial law. You also continue to maintain you claims about the dreaded hollow point bullets dispite the fact that you have been repeatedly shown again and again what you claim is false.

I looked through this thread and couldn't find anything on martial law and hollow point bullets

King Mob wrote: »

Similarly this mircochip claim is based on exactly the same poor evidence and reasoning you used to reach your previous failures.

What is exactly wrong with this article ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20461752

Is that article using poor evidence? is it using flawed reasoning ? ... If so then what is according to you the correct story ?

King Mob wrote: »

Yet you claim it as fact.

Where is that claim ?

King Mob wrote: »

It's as if you don;t actually read other people's posts.

Talking about that .. I also have about halve a dozen questions on other threads that you fail or couldn't be arsed to answer ... maybe it is just easier to disappear from thread when exposed

Monty Burnz

weisses wrote: »

What is exactly wrong with this article ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20461752

Is that article using poor evidence? is it using flawed reasoning ? ... If so then what is according to you the correct story ?

I don't think he is claiming that the reporting of the story is based on flawed reasoning, rather that the notion that:

1. Christianity is the one true faith
2. A particular apocalyptic/evangelical version of Christianity is the true version of the one true faith
3. The Book of Revelations is a reliable prediction of future events
4. The one particular interpretation of the BOR that suggests that the 'mark of the beast' will be related to commerce/anything to do with identifying individuals is the correct interpretation.
5. Whatever the latest means of identifying people (and this will change with technology like everything else) is always this 'mark of the beast'.

I think this is the faulty chain of reasoning that is being referred to.

weisses

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I don't think he is claiming that the reporting of the story is based on flawed reasoning, rather that the notion that:

1. Christianity is the one true faith
2. A particular apocalyptic/evangelical version of Christianity is the true version of the one true faith
3. The Book of Revelations is a reliable prediction of future events
4. The one particular interpretation of the BOR that suggests that the 'mark of the beast' will be related to commerce/anything to do with identifying individuals is the correct interpretation.
5. Whatever the latest means of identifying people (and this will change with technology like everything else) is always this 'mark of the beast'.

I think this is the faulty chain of reasoning that is being referred to.

King Mob wrote: »

Similarly this mircochip claim is based on exactly the same poor evidence and reasoning you used to reach your previous failures.
Yet you claim it as fact.

relates to this

https://www.rutherford.org/files_images/general/11-21-2012_TRO-Petition_Hernandez.pdf

Monty Burnz

weisses wrote: »

relates to this

https://www.rutherford.org/files_images/general/11-21-2012_TRO-Petition_Hernandez.pdf

Isn't this part of RTDH's wider campaign to convince us that everyone in the US will be given the 'mark of the beast' by the Anti-Christ Obama?

Or is he just pointing out the silliness of the religious freedom element of the lawsuit?

weisses

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Isn't this part of RTDH's wider campaign to convince us that everyone in the US will be given the 'mark of the beast' by the Anti-Christ Obama?

That was not what i was referring to KM said "this mircochip claim"

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Or is he just pointing out the silliness of the religious freedom element of the lawsuit?

Who knows ... but it has nothing to do with RTDH using poor evidence and reasoning regarding this article as claimed by KM.

Monty Burnz

weisses wrote: »

That was not what i was referring to KM said "this mircochip claim"

The claim appears to be that everyone is going to be be tagged as America becomes a totalitarian communist state:

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

RFID tagging in schools seem to be becoming widespread right across America at the moment as the country develops itself into a totalitarian track and trace communist state. What a better way to introduce such a system than through the schools, yes, brainwash them while they are young..

He has been banging this drum for a while, and still no sign of the Anti-Christ Obama...

weisses

Monty Burnz wrote: »

The claim appears to be that everyone is going to be be tagged as America becomes a totalitarian communist state:

No sorry Monty you reffering to RTDH now My point is that KM said in post 5

King Mob wrote: »

Similarly this mircochip claim is based on exactly the same poor evidence and reasoning you used to reach your previous failures.
Yet you claim it as fact.

all i asked is what was is wrong with the evidence and reasoning relating to the this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20461752 microchip claim in the OP

Monty Burnz wrote: »

He has been banging this drum for a while, and still no sign of the Anti-Christ Obama...

I know ............

Run_to_da_hills

Monty Burnz wrote: »

The claim appears to be that everyone is going to be be tagged as America becomes a totalitarian communist state:


He has been banging this drum for a while, and still no sign of the Anti-Christ Obama...

No, he will turn Antichrist after he receives that renowned mortal wound to the head.

Mocha Joe

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

No, he will turn Antichrist after he receives that renowned mortal wound to the head.

You shouldn't be allowed leave the house. Call me Antichrist, communist, totalitarian whatever. But you have serious issues. Believe everything you read kind of issues.

Monty Burnz

Mocha Joe wrote: »

You shouldn't be allowed leave the house. Call me Antichrist, communist, totalitarian whatever. But you have serious issues. Believe everything you read kind of issues.

He doesn't believe everything he reads to be fair - it's just anything reported by the mainstream media or in reference/academic books that he does not believe (or at least distrusts).

Anything by unaccredited sources, the propaganda organs of repressive state regimes, or far-right paranoid bloggers in the the US are considered trustworthy. Oh, and the Book of Revelations.

Edit: I should clarify that this is just an impression I have from his posts here.

weisses

weisses wrote: »

all i asked is what was is wrong with the evidence and reasoning relating to the this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20461752 microchip claim in the OP

I was referring to the claim that Obamacare is going to bring in mandatory chipping.

Again, why are you asking me all these questions an not Rtdhs?

Brown Bomber

King Mob wrote: »

Also Rtdhs, I thought you didn't believe that the mark of beast was going to be a barcode. Why does this girl claim it is?

What kind of stupid question is this? And in what way is it relevant to the topic?

Brown Bomber

Brown Bomber wrote: »

What kind of stupid question is this? And in what way is it relevant to the topic?

The girl's claim in incompatible with the other claims Rtdhs makes.
This fact is conveniently ignored and glossed over so the story can be spun into a conspiracy
This is similar to how you and wiesses don't tackle Rtdhs spreading conspiracies that you know are false and that discredit "real" conspiracy theories, cause doing so would highlight the flaws and poor reasoning common to both your and his conspiracies.

Asking the question highlights this fact.

And it is a point I made in addition to other points you conveniently ignore so you can take a personal swipe yet again.

Brown Bomber

King Mob wrote: »

The girl's claim in incompatible with the other claims Rtdhs makes..

And again, how is that relevant to the topic?

At the heart of this is actually an interesting topic. I for one would appreciate it if you didn't spoil the thread with your usual inane, unanswerable and irrelevant questions.

Brown Bomber

Brown Bomber wrote: »

And again, how is that relevant to the topic?

Because it undermines the entire basis of Rtdh's conspiracy.
If this girl can be wrong on her interpretation of the bible, so can he.
Every reason he can use to reject her version can be used to reject his, making his position self contradictory and inconsistent.

The question leads to and highlights this point as well as showing the inherent hypocrisy.

That, mixed with his repeated insistence in using claims that have been thoroughly debunked as if they were fact (for example, that Obamacare will lead to chipping people or that the recent purchase of hollow point bullets is sinister), leaves this new topic with several large gaping holes.
Hence why I asked these questions.

So do you believe that Obamacare will lead to people being chipped?
Or are you going to avoid answering this question for fear of disagreeing with Rtdhs?

Brown Bomber wrote: »

At the heart of this is actually an interesting topic. I for one would appreciate it if you didn't spoil the thread with your usual inane, unanswerable and irrelevant questions.

So rather than address any of the other points I have made beside this one side point, you are going to once again, bitch and take swipes.
Yup, I'm the one ruining the topic... :rolleyes:

Brown Bomber

King Mob wrote: »

Because it undermines the entire basis of Rtdh's conspiracy.
If this girl can be wrong on her interpretation of the bible, so can he.
Every reason he can use to reject her version can be used to reject his, making his position self contradictory and inconsistent.

The question leads to and highlights this point as well as showing the inherent hypocrisy.

That, mixed with his repeated insistence in using claims that have been thoroughly debunked as if they were fact (for example, that Obamacare will lead to chipping people or that the recent purchase of hollow point bullets is sinister), leaves this new topic with several large gaping holes.
Hence why I asked these questions.

So do you believe that Obamacare will lead to people being chipped?
Or are you going to avoid answering this question for fear of disagreeing with Rtdhs?

So rather than address any of the other points I have made beside this one side point, you are going to once again, bitch and take swipes.
Yup, I'm the one ruining the topic... :rolleyes:

You sure are. The topic

A subject of discussion or conversation.

is about a girl in Texas who has been expelled from school for refusing to wear an RFID tracking device. It's an interesting topic and one I am interested in discussing but it's never going to have a chance to get off the ground if you keep waffling on about hollow point bullets and all the other bollocks you bring up in every single ****ing thread. Any chance you might give it a rest?

Run_to_da_hills

King Mob wrote: »

Yes but you also claimed that he was going to declare martial law. You also continue to maintain you claims about the dreaded hollow point bullets dispite the fact that you have been repeatedly shown again and again what you claim is false.

Similarly this mircochip claim is based on exactly the same poor evidence and reasoning you used to reach your previous failures.
Yet you claim it as fact.

You seem to now have a habit of trying to derail all my threads by dragging up irrelevant topics from previous posts.

This is getting very frustrating now and it should be brought up in feedback.

What the hell has hollow point bullets got to do with a girl refusing to wear an RFID tracker necklace at a school in America?

Brown Bomber

Brown Bomber wrote: »

You sure are. The topic

is about a girl in Texas who has been expelled from school for refusing to wear an RFID tracking device. It's an interesting topic and one I am interested in discussing but it's never going to have a chance to get off the ground if you keep waffling on about hollow point bullets and all the other bollocks you bring up in every single ****ing thread. Any chance you might give it a rest?

And I have made several other points besides that one, so if you are just going to ignore my explanation for why it's on topic, then you have those to address.
But you are more interested in taking swipes at me than actually discussing the topic.

You seem to now have a habit of trying to derail all my threads by dragging up irrelevant topics from previous posts.

This is getting very frustrating now and it should be brought up in feedback.

This assumes that you threads are any more than random disjointed blog posts.

What the hell has hollow point bullets got to do with a girl refusing to wear an RFID tracker necklace at a school in America?

I have explained twice.
What has Rfid chips to do with it?
What does Obamacare have to do with it?
Or this: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/11/technology/biometric-data-gathering-sets-off-a-privacy-debate.html?_r=1&
Or this: http://www.mobiledia.com/news/134354.html

Again I only brought up the hollow point bullets as an example of something that has been thoroughly debunked, but you state as fact despite knowing you can't address the points made against the claim.
Just as you are doing with your similarly nonsense, indefensible claim that Obamacare is going to result in people being chipped, which you brought up.
If you don't like people point out the fact you're doing this, stop.
If you don't like people comparing your new theories to the ones that have failed so miserably, perhaps answer the points and explain what you are doing differently this time that makes your conclusion correct.

Fortunately for you, it's easier to feign outrage than defend a theory or a claim you know you can't defend honestly.

weisses

King Mob wrote: »

And I have made several other points besides that one, so if you are just going to ignore my explanation for why it's on topic, then you have those to address.
But you are more interested in taking swipes at me than actually discussing the topic.


This assumes that you threads are any more than random disjointed blog posts.

I have explained twice.
What has Rfid chips to do with it?
What does Obamacare have to do with it?
Or this: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/11/technology/biometric-data-gathering-sets-off-a-privacy-debate.html?_r=1&
Or this: http://www.mobiledia.com/news/134354.html

Again I only brought up the hollow point bullets as an example of something that has been thoroughly debunked, but you state as fact despite knowing you can't address the points made against the claim.
Just as you are doing with your similarly nonsense, indefensible claim that Obamacare is going to result in people being chipped, which you brought up.
If you don't like people point out the fact you're doing this, stop.
If you don't like people comparing your new theories to the ones that have failed so miserably, perhaps answer the points and explain what you are doing differently this time that makes your conclusion correct.

Fortunately for you, it's easier to feign outrage than defend a theory or a claim you know you can't defend honestly.

Besides all your usual off topic personal swipes .... What is exactly your view/position on this topic ??

All you have done so far is trying to tackle RTDH

What is so difficult to understand that from a conspiracy theorist point of view the leap from wearing microchips to being implanted with one is a very small step

Even nightclubs are offering implants now for the customers convenience

Run_to_da_hills

King Mob wrote: »

This assumes that you threads are any more than random disjointed blog posts.

I have explained twice.
What has Rfid chips to do with it?
What does Obamacare have to do with it?
Or this: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/11/technology/biometric-data-gathering-sets-off-a-privacy-debate.html?_r=1&
Or this: http://www.mobiledia.com/news/134354.html

I already made it quite clear the connection between Obamacare and Biometric identity from that NY Times article in the OP.

No doubt all this will soon progress on to similar type tracker tags as used in schools right across America and then of course on to the microchip implant.

The only possible connection between hollow point rounds and RFID implants may be during the transition periods of mass civil unrest when all this stuff will be enforced on the US public and those that don't comply are shot or else dragged off to FEMA "re educational" camps.

Monty Burnz

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

No doubt all this will soon progress on to similar type tracker tags as used in schools right across America and then of course on to the microchip implant.

Yes, no doubt at all...and you wonder why your earlier predictions are dragged into these threads?

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The only possible connection between hollow point rounds and RFID implants may be during the transition periods of mass civil unrest when all this stuff will be enforced on the US public and those that don't comply are shot or else dragged off to FEMA "re educational" camps.

This would be the mass civil unrest you predicted would happen before the presidential election, or different mass civil unrest?

If you keep making wild predictions on these threads, then your earlier wild predictions surely speak to the credibility of your predictions?

humanji

Mocha Joe wrote: »

You shouldn't be allowed leave the house. Call me Antichrist, communist, totalitarian whatever. But you have serious issues. Believe everything you read kind of issues.

Banned.

Everyone else, this is a conspiracy theory forum, not a theology forum. Stick to the topic and stop derailing it.

Tzar Chasm

Loathe as I would be to use a religious argument, thas a really decent loophole against these RFID things, Fredom of religion is an important thing to the Americans, and seing as the religion in question is fundamental christianity it would raise some serious issues for them to oppose this girls rights.

do we have anyhope of something simmilar here.

the only argument to oppose RFID is the same as the argument to oppose All the EU ID projects as i restricts my freedom of movement within the Union, something that I as a citizen am Entitled to.

Torakx

I believe its too early to push the RFID tag on a majority.
Like so many other ideas have been pushed on people,it will be slow and painless.
Similar to the boiling a frog analogy.

Its got to become "cool" or essential before a majorities privacy can be invaded.
I could imagine if things carry on as is, without drastic changes in global politics and bussiness, that a majority might be chipped in 50-100 years.
to do it before that would need a drastic change.
So i dont worry about RFID as much as i would consider the threat of a global government headed by private groups in the background.

We already have governments run by corperations and rich families.
If they manage to unify globally, we are really screwed when it comes to saying no to legislation.
It is then we can start to see a real threat to gobal RFID chips i think.And also a global currency would make sense, if the chipping is possible.

How many people in this country for example voted for water charges and tax on housing?
If a majority really did vote for water charges, then never mind the fact we might not have a choice as a majority, if we already sell ourselves out.

I know i didnt get a vote on that decision.If i had heard about a vote on water charges i might have considered even registering to vote!
And thats a big step for me lol

Monty Burnz

Torakx wrote: »

How many people in this country for example voted for water charges and tax on housing?
If a majority really did vote for water charges, then never mind the fact we might not have a choice as a majority, if we already sell ourselves out.

People will rarely vote to tax themselves, but they still expect all the services and facilities that those taxes are needed to pay for.

But that's perhaps taking the thread in a rather different direction.