Moscow 2013 standards

dna_leri

The IAAF have published the standards for Moscow 2013 and there are a few changes

https://iaafmedia.s3.amazonaws.com/competitioninfo/9a9eb54c-0f1e-4958-871d-bc9ae2a0b302.pdf

Men's 100m A standard risen to 10.15, 200m to 20.52, 400m to 45.28, 800m to 1:45.30, 1500m to 3:35.00, 5K to 13:15, long jump 8.25


Also IAAF will recognize that the first fifteen in the World Cross Country senior races will be considered to have reached the 10,000m standard for Moscow 2013.

Dan man

Maybe I'm blind but I can't see anywhere that states the opening date of the qualifying window.
If it's similar to Daegu 2011 then the 10,000m, marathon, race walks (and I think combined events) has qualifying window starting on January the year before the championships (so it would be Jan. 1st 2012 in this case) and the other events were October 1st the previous year.... but I don't know if it's the same this year as there have been some changes to qualifying this time round.

Can anyone give me any info on this?

myflipflops

I love some of these standards.

8.25 is the A standard for the long jump. That would have won silver in London. Would Ankrom and the brains trust really not send a long jumper that 'only' jumped a B standard of 8.22??

woodchopper

myflipflops wrote: »

I love some of these standards.

8.25 is the A standard for the long jump. That would have won silver in London. Would Ankrom and the brains trust really not send a long jumper that 'only' jumped a B standard of 8.22??

2.43 for the marathon????????????

That is just silly, 26 minutes off the official womens world record! Imagine if guys running 2.30 been sent to the worlds. 2.17 is great news for the marathon mission.

myflipflops

woodchopper wrote: »

2.43 for the marathon????????????

That is just silly, 26 minutes off the official womens world record! Imagine if guys running 2.30 been sent to the worlds. 2.17 is great news for the marathon mission.

I presume AAI will tick that down to 2.15 though? I actually think 2.15 is a more than fair standard. Guys like Pollock can run that.

Had not spotted the 2.43, wow. You cannot be sending 2.42 marathon runners to a World Champs. 9.43 steeple standard is pretty weak too.

TJC

myflipflops wrote: »

I love some of these standards.

8.25 is the A standard for the long jump. That would have won silver in London. Would Ankrom and the brains trust really not send a long jumper that 'only' jumped a B standard of 8.22??

....Defo would not...especially if that person was only 18 years of age!!!

TJC

myflipflops wrote: »

I presume AAI will tick that down to 2.15 though? I actually think 2.15 is a more than fair standard. Guys like Pollock can run that.

Had not spotted the 2.43, wow. You cannot be sending 2.42 marathon runners to a World Champs. 9.43 steeple standard is pretty weak too.

2.43 a bit mad...whats that all about??
2.17 very achievable....but 2.15 was only got by keneally last time round. Be nice to see a a few lads qualify this time. Hope they leave the mens time

tang1

Potentially you could have Keneally, Pollock, Hehir & Minnock pushing for the team in 2013 for marathon. All well capable of running sub 2.17.

myflipflops

TJC wrote: »

2.17 very achievable....but 2.15 was only got by keneally last time round. Be nice to see a a few lads qualify this time. Hope they leave the mens time

What surprised me about last year was how few of our top male distance runners focused on the marathon. It was the softest qualifying time by a distance but only Kenneally and Sean Connolly of the best 10km guys stepped up to try it. Barry Minnock obviously ran very well and got close too.

Pollock and Hehir made very encouraging debuts to join Kenneally, Connolly and Minnock as good sub 2.20 athletes. Hopefully guys like Joe Sweeney, Alan McCormack and others can follow in the next year and the standard should keep rising.

I think 2.15 is a very reasonable time for all these guys to aim for and I hope they set that as a mark. I don't think 2.17 should get you to a World Champs to be honest.

Pisco Sour

Those standards are all over the place. No consistency at all. I know the marathon can support bigger numbers but 2:43? Come on!

The one good thing is that as it is the World Championships, and not the Olympics, the OCI won't get their dirty destructive hands on this one and B-Standards will be sent, like they were in Daegu.

ecoli

I presume the marathon standards are due to the fact that unlike the Olympics there is a team event with 3 to score

Pherekydes

ecoli wrote: »

I presume the marathon standards are due to the fact that unlike the Olympics there is a team event with 3 to score

Six can be entered and five can start, but the World Marathon Cup team competition has been discontinued.

As mentioned above, does anyone know the qualifying window? It's not in that document. I find it strange that they issued the standards without the dates.

• In the Marathon a maximum of six athletes may be entered but no more than five will
be allowed to start. The reigning World Outdoor Champion may also compete if
entered by his Federation, but he must be within the five. Please be reminded that the
World Marathon Cup team event has been discontinued.

woodchopper

myflipflops wrote: »

What surprised me about last year was how few of our top male distance runners focused on the marathon. It was the softest qualifying time by a distance but only Kenneally and Sean Connolly of the best 10km guys stepped up to try it. Barry Minnock obviously ran very well and got close too.

Pollock and Hehir made very encouraging debuts to join Kenneally, Connolly and Minnock as good sub 2.20 athletes. Hopefully guys like Joe Sweeney, Alan McCormack and others can follow in the next year and the standard should keep rising.

I think 2.15 is a very reasonable time for all these guys to aim for and I hope they set that as a mark. I don't think 2.17 should get you to a World Champs to be honest.

A couple of things.

The world marathon is a pretty neglected event by the top marathon runners with the exception of Kirui. You will not see Mosop, Mutai, Meb as they will wait until the fall for an appearance fee. Pollock with his 2.16 should be sent instead of him running another marathon in the Spring even when he has the standard. The standard used to be sub 2.16 the last I remember and arguments can be made that it should have stayed the same.

4.02 for the 50 walk is again nonsense. Thats about 16 minutes slower than Rob Hefferan's Irish record. Its like sending someone who runs about a 2.22 marathon.

Also finally not every 10k athlete will excel in the marathon. It is not just a case of oh I can break 30 minutes for 10k so I should be able to run 2.16. Energy systems are completely different. Take Brian Maher and Sean Hehir as examples. Brian defeated Sean well over 5k and 10k this Summer but the longer the race goes the gap closes until an event like the marathon where Sean would beat Brian. Again Bazman is in a similiar boat to Sean

Pisco Sour

woodchopper wrote: »

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4.02 for the 50 walk is again nonsense. Thats about 16 minutes slower than Rob Hefferan's Irish record. Its like sending someone who runs about a 2.22 marathon.

25 mins more like it

YFlyer

Looks like women can get their qualifying times in mixed races in both 5000 and 10000m on the track. Also indoor times from 200m upwards are been accepted as well.

Hard Worker

ecoli wrote: »

I presume the marathon standards are due to the fact that unlike the Olympics there is a team event with 3 to score

From what I read on the entry standards, the team event is gone. That seems strange, considering you can still have 5 athletes in the event.

Dan man

Looks like the IAAF have updated the document now with the qualification window included below the table of qualifying standards:

https://iaafmedia.s3.amazonaws.com/competitioninfo/61574a3d-a96c-415e-8d4f-3e2bdd5aa39d.pdf

• 10,000m, Marathon, Race Walks, Combined Events and Relays (1st Jan. 2012 - 29th July 2013)
• All other events (1st Oct. 2012 - 29th July 2013)

Current list of Irish qualifiers with the A standard (based of course on IAAF qualifying standards and not taking into account that the AAI could modify some of the standards):

Men:

Marathon (2):
Paul Pollock (2:16:30 hrs - 29th Oct. 2012)
Sean Connolly (2:16:42 hrs - 15th April 2012)

20km Walk (1):
Robert Heffernan (1:20:18hrs - 4th Aug. 2012)

50km Walk (3):
Robert Heffernan (3:37:54hrs - 11th Aug. 2012)
Colin Griffin (3:52:55 hrs - 13th May 2012)
Brendan Boyce (3:55:01 hrs - 11th Aug. 2012)

Women:

10,000m (1):
Fionnuala Britton (31:29.22mins - 29th April 2012)

Marathon: (any 5 of the following)
Maria McCambridge (3:35:28 hrs - 29th Oct. 2012)
Ava Hutchinson (2:35:33 hrs - 15th Jan. 2012)
Catriona Jennings (2:36:17 hrs - 15th April 2012)
Linda Byrne (2:37:13 hrs - 5th Aug. 2012)
Breege Connolly (2:40:25 hrs - 15th April 2012)
Gladys Ganiel-O'Neill (2:40:56 hrs - 15th Jan. 2012)
Barbara Sanchez (I think she's eligible??... 2:41:17 hrs 2012)

20km Walk (2):
Olive Loughnane (1:29:39 hrs - 11th Aug. 2012)
Laura Reynolds (1:31:02 hrs - 11th Aug. 2012)

Women's 4x400m Relay (4-6) (up to 6 members can be sent in the relay squad)

So already we have a potential team of at least 17 athletes based solely on the IAAF standards and 19 if two non-qualified relay reserves are sent.
But of course it's all speculation at this stage and the AAI will likely make some changes particularly to the marathon standards, but still great to see a lot of athletes eligible for selection at this very early stage.

Pisco Sour

Dan man wrote: »

\Olive Loughnane obviously had the standard as well but I think she has since retired from the sport after the London Olympics.

Hadn't heard this. Have you got a link to it?

Any news on some of the others. Derval? (She hasn't updated her blog since London). Hesh? Cuddihy?

I think 2013 will be the year of our young guns. The Barrs, English etc and hopefully a return to form of Ciara Mageean.

Obviously Rob has a serious shot of a medal, though with the championships in the Moscow August heat this could favour the Russians. They'll be more up for this post Olympic Championships than previous editions.

Dan man

Pisco Sour wrote: »

Hadn't heard this. Have you got a link to it?

I heard it not long after the Olympics.... I'm not sure now though as when looking for a link there is scarcely anything online reporting that it's true .

Here is a link to an article that reports her retirement after her 4th Olympics...
http://www.galwaynews.ie/27308-olive-hangs-her-shoes

Although it is a little confusing...the first line says this...

Loughnane retires after fourth Olympics

But the rest of the article keeps emphasising that London was her last Olympics and that she ruled out Rio 2016. Doesn't specifically mention whether or not she will continue for another season or two. Not sure at all though and the lack of any other sources reporting her retirement makes me sceptical. I'll add her onto the list for now anyway as I'm now inclined that I'd prematurely retired her .

Dan man

Pisco Sour wrote: »

Any news on some of the others. Derval? (She hasn't updated her blog since London). Hesh? Cuddihy?

Not sure about the other two but Derval's certainly in the middle of hard winter training anyway... follow her on twitter, she tweets regularly on what she's up to in training and in life in general.
https://twitter.com/DervalORourke

locteau

Just in case you did not get the new selection criteria :
http://hp.athleticsireland.ie/

A bit mad to ask women runners to get 10min faster in 16 weeks if you were close to the 2.42 recommended by IAA. France and Spain are even not that fast.

Well some serious work to do :-)

thirstywork2

In Seville in Spain Barbara Sanchez showed a return to her best form finishing 5th in the marathon in 2.37.14, just over a minute shy of the AAI 'B' standard for the event at the World championships in Moscow later this year and a new club record. The previous record which Barbara set in the 2010 Dublin Marathon was 2.39.36.

She was doing this just to run to 20miles but felt good and continued.

locteau

I would be Interesting on how they went from 2.42 to 2.36 or 2.32 selection to be honest.

I would understand if they say to the Elites : "get 4min quicker each year if you want to go to Rio" it will put them under pressure along with the coaches to achieve this. This is a big drop for a small country.

I understand the reason, but not the way it was delivered