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New boiler EHE 25 opinons please

  • 22-11-2012 5:01pm
    #1
    dawn run
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    I would appreciate advice in relation to my issue.

    My boiler needs replacement. A pipe burst above the boiler and caused so much damage to the boiler it needs to be replaced. Its totally knackered.

    I had a lad out and I got a quote and description of work.
    It states the following.

    Remove boiler and supply & fit vokera 25EHE. (semi sealed system)
    Cleanse heating system and commision.
    New time clock fitted to boiler.
    Total €1800.00

    Or if somebody would like to give myself an alternative quote. Im bassed in skerries.

    Does this quotation seem ok. Im not a plumbing expert. Id like advice before I give the lad the go ahead.


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  • #2
    [Deleted User]
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    PM Johnnyk he's in Ballbriggen.

    If it were me I'd get a few quotes, I'd want at least a 5 year warranty on the boiler, I'd want the boiler commissioned properly, I'd want the system powerflushed, I'd want a filter on the system to protect the boiler from sludge, I'd want a outdoor sensor, I'd want the best heating controls that I could afford, I'd want the most efficient boiler I could afford(there are more efficient boilers than the EHE) I'd want the system balanced, I'm sure there's more but I'm boring myself now, a good installer will talk you through this anyway, Gary.


  • #3
    dawn run
    Closed Accounts Posts: 50 ✭✭dawn run


    gary71 wrote: »
    PM Johnnyk he's in Ballbriggen.

    If it were me I'd get a few quotes, I'd want at least a 5 year warranty on the boiler, I'd want the boiler commissioned properly, I'd want the most efficient boiler I could afford(there are more efficient boilers than the EHE) I'd want the system balanced, I'm sure there's more but I'm boring myself now, a good installer will talk you through this anyway, Gary.

    Is warranty 5 years on only some boilers?
    Who commisions boiler the manufacturer or plumber?
    Is this boiler, not efficient enough for the price quoted?
    Is system balanced additional?


  • #4
    dawn run
    Closed Accounts Posts: 50 ✭✭dawn run


    gary71 wrote: »
    PM Johnnyk he's in Ballbriggen.

    If it were me I'd get a few quotes, I'd want the system powerflushed, I'd want a filter on the system to protect the boiler from sludge, I'd want a outdoor sensor, I'd want the best heating controls that I could afford, Gary.

    In fairness I declined the offer of additional controls and sensor. the lad that quoted stated he would not power flush the sysyem. he would manually cleanse. As it may create leaks.

    He never mentioned filter for sludge. Would the cost of this be expensive?

    thanks for your response


  • #5
    shane0007
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,677 ✭✭✭shane0007


    The EHE is a discontinued Band B boiler. Modern gas boiler are far more efficient with much greater modulation than their counter-part Band B boilers. He has probably got hold of a supplier stuck with old stock that nobody wants and is selling it off for a song.
    The warranty on this will be very limited and maximum 2 years.
    You cannot successfully "manually" cleanse a heating system and it is absolute nonsense that Powerflushing causes leaks. In older gun barrel systems, it can remove sludge that was holding the pipe from showing the leak but this would be imminent anyhow. If your system is copper or qualpex, there is no issue.


  • #6
    [Deleted User]
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    dawn run wrote: »
    Is warranty 5 years on only some boilers?
    yes

    dawn run wrote: »
    Who commisions boiler the manufacturer or plumber?
    good installers do it as a given, gangsters wouldn't have a clue

    dawn run wrote: »
    Is this boiler, not efficient enough for the price quoted?
    nope

    dawn run wrote: »
    Is system balanced additional?
    all system should be balanced as a given, few systems are balanced leaving householders with crap heating systems, a good installer will balance a system as a given.


    dawn run wrote: »
    In fairness I declined the offer of additional controls and sensor
    . The choice is yours, the more controllability you have over your heating the better your ability to save money.
    dawn run wrote: »
    the lad that quoted stated he would not power flush the sysyem. he would manually cleanse. As it may create leaks.
    :pac::pac: nope
    dawn run wrote: »
    He never mentioned filter for sludge. Would the cost of this be expensive?
    I would fit a filter as a given, it protects your boiler and a boiler needs all the love it can get, there are different filters and over the counter you could be talking €100ish as a guess.


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  • #7
    dawn run
    Closed Accounts Posts: 50 ✭✭dawn run


    shane0007 wrote: »
    The EHE is a discontinued Band B boiler. Modern gas boiler are far more efficient with much greater modulation than their counter-part Band B boilers. He has probably got hold of a supplier stuck with old stock that nobody wants and is selling it off for a song.
    The warranty on this will be very limited and maximum 2 years.
    You cannot successfully "manually" cleanse a heating system and it is absolute nonsense that Powerflushing causes leaks. In older gun barrel systems, it can remove sludge that was holding the pipe from showing the leak but this would be imminent anyhow. If your system is copper or qualpex, there is no issue.

    Some of the system is gun barrel. Thats why he said he would semi seal and manually cleanse. its open system at present he said.

    Would this be the norm. ?

    He also told me. He can get deals on that boiler. He gets them for 700, Hense the price €1800. Thats really why im asking the question. Is it a reasonable price. price is inclusive of vat.


  • #8
    shane0007
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,677 ✭✭✭shane0007


    If there is gun barrel and you are not going to upgrade it, I would not be fitting a system boiler of any type. The crap on the system will just destroy the heat exchanger.
    I would be fitting an open vented gas boiler with much larger heat exchanger passage ways, such as in the Worchester Bosch.
    I would also chance a powerflush but with a less aggressive chemical such as Fernox F3. If it leaks, trace and fix. Then put in a good quality inhibitor.
    Have you had previous leaks in the GB?
    At some point in the not so distant future you will have to upgrade it. You do not want to have to change a destroyed gas boiler a second time also!


  • #9
    dawn run
    Closed Accounts Posts: 50 ✭✭dawn run


    gary71 wrote: »


    The choice is yours, the more controllability you have over your heating the better your ability to save money.


    I would fit a filter as a given, it protects your boiler and a boiler needs all the love it can get, there are different filters and over the counter you could be talking €100ish as a guess.

    Thanks Gary, I will definitley seek the filter as an extra. The controls for the radiators is not a simple task, due to GB pipework. I declined this due to cost.I know I will in the near future have to repipe system. I will then have stats fitted. However at the moment , funds are low and really just need heating back working.

    But I really appreciate your advice and time to reply.


  • #10
    [Deleted User]
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    dawn run wrote: »
    Some of the system is gun barrel. Thats why he said he would semi seal and manually cleanse. its open system at present he said.

    Would this be the norm. ?

    He also told me. He can get deals on that boiler. He gets them for 700, Hense the price €1800. Thats really why im asking the question. Is it a reasonable price. price is inclusive of vat.

    If you have a semi sealed system then it can mask leaks leading to a new boiled in 4/5 years which is far more common than it should be, as for your gun barrel it can either hold water or not, if you have gun barrel with holes blocked by sludge then it will end in tears epically if a inhibitor is added, any boiler you have fitted requires the system water to be spotless for a boilers longevity.

    As for the price of the boiler get a few quotes till you get a feel of what suits you.


  • #11
    dawn run
    Closed Accounts Posts: 50 ✭✭dawn run


    shane0007 wrote: »
    I would be fitting an open vented gas boiler with much larger heat exchanger passage ways, such as in the Worchester Bosch.
    I would also chance a powerflush but with a less aggressive chemical such as Fernox F3. If it leaks, trace and fix. Then put in a good quality inhibitor.
    Have you had previous leaks in the GB?
    At some point in the not so distant future you will have to upgrade it. You do not want to have to change a destroyed gas boiler a second time also!
    Yes he said. The boiler can be open vented also. But I take your point about the Worchester Bosch. Would they be much more expensive than €700?

    he did say he was using inhibitors. One during and one after. As far as I can remember. I think ill take a risk with the power flush. After reading your advice. There is 9 rads in the house. Would it be much more expensive for the power flush?

    I know I might come across as penny pinching. But to be honest i really dont have much funds. This is a nessessity more than anything. Ive 3 young kids. need the heat on for them. But im on a very small budget. If money was no option. Id have the system as Gary and yourself have advised.

    Thanks for your advice. you have been Really helpful.


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    dawn run wrote: »
    Yes he said. The boiler can be open vented also. But I take your point about the Worchester Bosch. Would they be much more expensive than €700?

    he did say he was using inhibitors. One during and one after. As far as I can remember. I think ill take a risk with the power flush. After reading your advice. There is 9 rads in the house. Would it be much more expensive for the power flush?

    I know I might come across as penny pinching. But to be honest i really dont have much funds. This is a nessessity more than anything. Ive 3 young kids. need the heat on for them. But im on a very small budget. If money was no option. Id have the system as Gary and yourself have advised.

    Thanks for your advice. you have been Really helpful.

    Talk to JohnnyK (without me sounding like his cheerleader:o) he flushes as given and would be on the same wavelength as Shane and myself.


  • #13
    shane0007
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,677 ✭✭✭shane0007


    dawn run wrote: »
    Yes he said. The boiler can be open vented also. But I take your point about the Worchester Bosch. Would they be much more expensive than €700?

    The EHE is a system boiler and therefore cannot be set up as an open vented boiler unless certain manufacturer installed safety devices are disabled! This is against the law and the next RGI who comes to service it will shut it down and isolate the appliance.
    dawn run wrote: »
    he did say he was using inhibitors. One during and one after. As far as I can remember. I think ill take a risk with the power flush. After reading your advice. There is 9 rads in the house. Would it be much more expensive for the power flush?.

    A proper powerflush is the guts of a full days work. A quick whizz on the machine before the boiler is swapped over is not a powerflush. Generally, a cost of €400 - €450 is typical for a proper flush.
    dawn run wrote: »
    I know I might come across as penny pinching. But to be honest i really dont have much funds. This is a nessessity more than anything. Ive 3 young kids. need the heat on for them. But im on a very small budget. If money was no option. Id have the system as Gary and yourself have advised.

    Not at all, i completely understand where you are coming from. I would just hate to see your funds misused and have to do it all over again. Do it right and do it once.


  • #14
    dawn run
    Closed Accounts Posts: 50 ✭✭dawn run


    shane0007 wrote: »
    The EHE is a system boiler and therefore cannot be set up as an open vented boiler unless certain manufacturer installed safety devices are disabled! This is against the law and the next RGI who comes to service it will shut it down and isolate the appliance.



    A proper powerflush is the guts of a full days work. A quick whizz on the machine before the boiler is swapped over is not a powerflush. Generally, a cost of €400 - €450 is typical for a proper flush.



    Not at all, i completely understand where you are coming from. I would just hate to see your funds misused and have to do it all over again. Do it right and do it once.

    I think he did mention. That about the open system. Thats why he was semi sealing the system. Great advice anyhow, thanks.
    I take your point about the power flush. That theres only one way to do it and thats the right way. The cost factor is due to the time involved. Again, thanks.
    Would I be right to say . A powerflush, boiler change over to a Worchester Bosch and a filter fitted on the system. Will set me back approx. €2500.

    What would be a ball park figure? I will seek another two quotes and ask Jonniek if he can quote myself. But in the meantime. I think it would be only fair . To ask the guy , who originally quoted. To quote for the additionals as you and Gary Adviced. But id like to have an idea. What would be standard for the repairs needed.

    Once again. Thanks again. You dont know how much i ts appreciated. I feel a lot more confident about what needs to be done.
    Even though the cost is a burden.


  • #15
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    dawn run wrote: »
    Even though the cost is a burden.

    A gas boiler installation should be formatted by following good working practises, there are many installers fitting boilers outside of good working practises giving what looks like to the consumer a cheap option, when in reality the job must be revisited at a later stage to put things right at extra cost and heart ache.

    The trick is to do it right once and have many years of trouble free heating, power flushing is important because it cleans the system better than anything else, a filter is important because it protects the boiler, the warranty is important because it guarantees a quite life, the controls although a benefit in some respects are a luxury, Gary


  • #16
    dawn run
    Closed Accounts Posts: 50 ✭✭dawn run


    Shane0007 & Gary71. Thanks for all your advice.

    The lad that quoted myself originally. I called him this morning and explained what I wanted. Thanks to your advice.

    I am going to use the 25ehe boiler. Due to cost. However you where correct. There is only a 2 year warranty on this boiler. But the plumber explained. If he does not reigister it. Theres no warranty. Outside the 2 year warranty . A yearly service is done. He states boiler will last min of 8 to 10 years .

    He is going to powerflush the system. (any leaks needing repaired afterwards. If any. Will be additional cost). hes going to seal the system instead of semi seal. This will show up any leaks. Fit the filter on boiler Gary71 recommended. Commision and balancing and gas cert was all part of the original quote.
    He is going to put a manual cylinder stat on the hot water. He said this is the biggest saving on the heating system.

    Total price including vat €2200.00. Im very pleased and gratful for your advice.


  • #17
    shane0007
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,677 ✭✭✭shane0007


    Hope it works out for you.

    It might be worth asking him how much extra it would be for the Vokera Mynute 25HE. This is a Band A boiler and comes with a 5 year parts and labour warranty. Even the new Vision range is €100 cheaper + vat and comes with a 5 year warranty.

    Just a thought.


  • #18
    dawn run
    Closed Accounts Posts: 50 ✭✭dawn run


    shane0007 wrote: »
    Hope it works out for you.

    It might be worth asking him how much extra it would be for the Vokera Mynute 25HE. This is a Band A boiler and comes with a 5 year parts and labour warranty. Even the new Vision range is €100 cheaper + vat and comes with a 5 year warranty.

    Just a thought.

    I asked about that. I mentioned that worchester boiler that gary71 mentioned.
    However he stated it would be approx an extra 300 euro with a different boiler.
    But he was very fair.he said he can supply any boiler I want. He said if I wanted to supply the boiler and flue. He would deduct the 700 he was charging for the 25ehe.


  • #19
    shane0007
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,677 ✭✭✭shane0007


    I can get you a deal on the Mynute 25HE for €770 + vat or the Vision 25 for, I think, €660 + vat. These are both Band A and 5 year parts and labour warranties, the Mynute would have a better and less restrictive heat exchanger.
    If you wish, I will give you suppliers name and you deal directly with him.


  • #20
    dawn run
    Closed Accounts Posts: 50 ✭✭dawn run


    shane0007 wrote: »
    I can get you a deal on the Mynute 25HE for €770 + vat or the Vision 25 for, I think, €660 + vat. These are both Band A and 5 year parts and labour warranties, the Mynute would have a better and less restrictive heat exchanger.
    If you wish, I will give you suppliers name and you deal directly with him.
    That would be great . thanks a lot.


  • #21
    castle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 497 ✭✭castle


    Seems a fair price,just make sure need legal to do this,


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  • #22
    shane0007
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,677 ✭✭✭shane0007


    dawn run wrote: »
    That would be great . thanks a lot.

    PM sent
    castle wrote: »
    Seems a fair price,just make sure need legal to do this,

    Not sure what you mean by this.


  • #23
    Thierry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49 ✭Thierry


    After 6 years - the heath exchanger had a leak.
    The RGII guy told me I could get it replaced, but it advised to replace the boiler all together.

    Vokera quote me €381.85 for replacement.

    A new boiler replacement is about €1,800.00

    Decision.. decision...

    I would not go for that brand.. the RGII guy advised me with IDEAL Vogue.
    Any recommendations...


  • #24
    DGOBS
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    The boiler you just mentioned has a 10 year parts warranty.


  • #25
    Dtp1979
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,883 ✭✭✭✭Dtp1979


    DGOBS wrote: »
    The boiler you just mentioned has a 10 year parts warranty.

    Does that include heat exchanger?


  • #26
    DGOBS
    Hosted Moderators Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭DGOBS


    yes all parts AFAIK. Plus love the way they have dealt with overheating/cracking seals on the chamber door


  • #27
    Dtp1979
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,883 ✭✭✭✭Dtp1979


    DGOBS wrote: »
    yes all parts AFAIK. Plus love the way they have dealt with overheating/cracking seals on the chamber door

    How?


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