Luas fine

Casshern88

Having a debate with housemate here he was just caught on luas without paying. anyway for some reason he gave the inspector a fake name and fake number but yet decided to give him his real address, he didnt ask for any form of id.

Basically he thinks hes screwed now once letters start coming or that some luas officer is going to come kick down the door and id him once the fines arent paid and hel get doubly done.

Im pretty sure he's probably fine, stupid to give real address if he wasn't going to pay it but they took no form of id eventually if a court summons does come its for some "imaginary person", what ya reckon?

Cookie_Monster

just write "not found at this address" if it's not anybody's name who actually live at the property on the letters and fire them back in the post box

Losty Dublin

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

just write "not found at this address" if it's not anybody's name who actually live at the property on the letters and fire them back in the post box

And if it's sent via registered post?

jameshayes

Losty Dublin wrote: »

And if it's sent via registered post?

just dont sign for it!

jack presley

Losty Dublin wrote: »

And if it's sent via registered post?

It'll have the fake persons name on it so when the postie calls to deliver and get the signature, just say no one here by that name

Losty Dublin

jameshayes wrote: »

just dont sign for it!

Easy to suggest when you are there on the day. When you ain't and an unwitting housie or if a neighbour signs for it, which is often done. When it's a summons enclosed, received and unanswered and found in court, then it gets a bit more messy and a bit more awkward to explain to a garda with a warrant what happened and that it was a false ID given

charlemont

Casshern88 wrote: »

Having a debate with housemate here he was just caught on luas without paying. anyway for some reason he gave the inspector a fake name and fake number but yet decided to give him his real address, he didnt ask for any form of id.

Basically he thinks hes screwed now once letters start coming or that some luas officer is going to come kick down the door and id him once the fines arent paid and hel get doubly done.

Im pretty sure he's probably fine, stupid to give real address if he wasn't going to pay it but they took no form of id eventually if a court summons does come its for some "imaginary person", what ya reckon?

Tell him to go to confession and say 50 Hail Mary's.

Seriously nothing is going to happen, Whatever name is on the fine will be the person they want.
No Garda will kick your door in over a Luas fine.
Sure sign if the letter comes just say you thought it may have been for a former tenant as so many people move in and out all the time.

Victor

Get a postal order and pay: https://payments.luas.ie/FinePayment.aspx

The risk is if he gets caught again and gets prosecuted for giving false details.

GOOSEPAUL

These inspectors really annoy me. For some reason they always let the Romanians and other nationalities away with not having a ticket but as soon as its an Irish person they swarm them and make a big deal about it. As a daily commuter on the Luas I have seen this on numerous occasions. There was one occasion where they went over to a guy looking for a ticket but he was communicating back in a different language so they just left him alone. Further up the tram they stopped an Irish lad, took his details and made him get off the Luas. Both had no ticket but one was singled out!!!!

Jamie2k9

Foggy lad for somebody who has a problem with public transport fares being increased you seem to think its fine for someone not to have a ticket and not pay the fine. Otherwise why would you thank a post saying in a roundabout way saying don't pay it. Its because people don't pay in the first place results in a large part of fare increases. Double standards....or is it just CIE fare increases that you issue is with?

Casshern88

Does any one know if summons are actually delivered via registered post in Ireland? I get the luas every day sometimes a couple a times a day,I usually get a weekly pass, nearly every day i see people get fined.

Lets say on average 20 - 30 people get fined every day for travelling with out a ticket (I wouldn't be surprised if that number was way higher) of that 30 people between 5 and 10 of them might have given fake details, so every working day veolia are posting out overdue fine notices to incorrect or fake addresses and these go on piling up in someone else's hallway till a court summons arrives and also just sits unnoticed at this incorrect address.

my point being i doubt they have the resources to chase up on every fine that goes ignored and im sure they are well aware that a % of those that are sent out go to dummy addresses but what can they do, likewise unless there has been contact with the person and veolia since receiving the fine for instance appealing it and losing i doubt they would press it to court , im sure a judge would get sick of veolia vs "jo blogs" every second week with jo blogs never attending

Losty Dublin

Casshern88 wrote: »

Does any one know if summons are actually delivered via registered post in Ireland? I get the luas every day sometimes a couple a times a day,I usually get a weekly pass, nearly every day i see people get fined.

Lets say on average 20 - 30 people get fined every day for travelling with out a ticket (I wouldn't be surprised if that number was way higher) of that 30 people between 5 and 10 of them might have given fake details, so every working day veolia are posting out overdue fine notices to incorrect or fake addresses and these go on piling up in someone else's hallway till a court summons arrives and also just sits unnoticed at this incorrect address.

my point being i doubt they have the resources to chase up on every fine that goes ignored and im sure they are well aware that a % of those that are sent out go to dummy addresses but what can they do, likewise unless there has been contact with the person and veolia since receiving the fine for instance appealing it and losing i doubt they would press it to court , im sure a judge would get sick of veolia vs "jo blogs" every second week with jo blogs never attending

Put it like this. A court summons is way too important a document to risk being lost in the post so it will be sent via registered post. For the sake of about €6 it's a small step to take to ensure it's done right. Virtually all unpaid standard fare tickets will be taken to court. They are heard in group sittings and if found guilty or guilty in absence the a fine and costs is applied if found guilty. Were you not to turn up or pay a fine then you will be entering rather sticky territory vis a vis bench warrants etc.

The fact that they have your mates address means that it's their first port of call to look for him if a fine is imposed. Seeing as he volunteered incorrect information in the first place, I can't see him talking his way out of it too easily as a mistake.

GreeBo

Losty Dublin wrote: »

Put it like this. A court summons is way too important a document to risk being lost in the post so it will be sent via registered post. For the sake of about €6 it's a small step to take to ensure it's done right. Virtually all unpaid standard fare tickets will be taken to court. They are heard in group sittings and if found guilty or guilty in absence the a fine and costs is applied if found guilty. Were you not to turn up or pay a fine then you will be entering rather sticky territory vis a vis bench warrants etc.

The fact that they have your mates address means that it's their first port of call to look for him if a fine is imposed. Seeing as he volunteered incorrect information in the first place, I can't see him talking his way out of it too easily as a mistake.

But how can having an address and no name be used for anything?
What if I give your address, how could they possibly trace that back to me?

Casshern88

GreeBo wrote: »

But how can having an address and no name be used for anything?
What if I give your address, how could they possibly trace that back to me?

well i have heard talk to them using snapshots of cctv to identify people, so if down the line it came to turning up at your door and you say no sorry Mr.x doesn't live here, maybe the guard or whoever it is can just look at that snaphot and recognise you.

ops sorry misread your post actually if you gave someone else's address id imagine there's no way what so ever they could trace it to you presuming they saw no form of id.

Losty Dublin

GreeBo wrote: »

But how can having an address and no name be used for anything?
What if I give your address, how could they possibly trace that back to me?

In this case they have the right address. Without going into too much detail, legal types do a bit more checking out of personal details before they proceed with a prosecution

GreeBo

Losty Dublin wrote: »

In this case they have the right address. Without going into too much detail, legal types do a bit more checking out of personal details before they proceed with a prosecution

But they have no idea that they have the correct address, anymore than they have no idea they have the wrong name.
They dont have any personal details. They have an address that some strange gave them.

You cant just turn up at an address with no idea who lives there and decide, right, we are prosecuting someone who lives here because we were given this address. (:D;):p:o:rolleyes::):mad::(:eek:P:cool::pac:)

juan.kerr

Should he not just pay the fine?

Losty Dublin

GreeBo wrote: »

But they have no idea that they have the correct address, anymore than they have no idea they have the wrong name.
They dont have any personal details. They have an address that some strange gave them.

As I said, they have their tried and trusted ways of sussing these thing out. If you want to chance your arm on the Luas and let us know how you get on

GreeBo

Losty Dublin wrote: »

As I said, they have their tried and trusted ways of sussing these thing out. If you want to chance your arm on the Luas and let us know how you get on

Ok, lets assume you are one of these super sleuths.
You have an address and a name.
You turn up at the address and are told, "sorry, no one here by that name"
You check and see that indeed there is no one of that name registered at that address.
How on earth do you come to the conclusion that the address is correct, but the name is wrong?

Please explain; because I believe you are talking out of your rectum.

<Note I dont condone fare evasion at all>

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Cookie_Monster

juan.kerr wrote: »

Should he not just pay the fine?

that would indeed be the obvious and decent thing to do but I suspect that if he was travelling without a ticket in the first place he's not exactly full of morality when it comes to such things.

monkeypants

Losty Dublin wrote: »

an unwitting housie or if a neighbour signs for it, which is often done.

Why would they sign for things sent to a name that they don't recognise?

Our man in Havana

And if the registered letter is rejected, LUAS will ask the judge for an order for substituted service by ordinary pre paid post. Basically they will send it again by normal post.

foggy_lad

Our man in Havana wrote: »

And if the registered letter is rejected, LUAS will ask the judge for an order for substituted service by ordinary pre paid post. Basically they will send it again by normal post.

And that should be put back in the postbox with "not at this address" written across(blocking out) the address so that it cant be resent by an post because the named individual is not at that address!

Nothing will happen. The son of the previous owner of my house uses my address every time (twice now with different versions of his name) he is fined. The letters just go into the bin and no one has ever called to the door looking for him. I now have their new address, so next time I may forward them :-)

glencarscotch

Do they use the CCtv??my friend gave a fake address but everything else real but thinks he will get away because they won't find him

Victor

glencarscotch wrote: »

Do they use the CCtv??

Yes.

People are also creatures of habit, using the same journeys at about the same time of day, so they are likely to find him again.

Tow wrote: »

Nothing will happen. The son of the previous owner of my house uses my address every time (twice now with different versions of his name) he is fined. The letters just go into the bin and no one has ever called to the door looking for him. I now have their new address, so next time I may forward them :-)

Strictly speaking you are committing and offence in interfering with the post.